THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[David in NJ]

Yahweh made it absolutely clear that He was the only God in the Old Testament. If you look at the words God and or Lord in the scriptures before they took His name out of the Old Testament it would say YHWH.



In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

“You are the Lord, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you. Nehemiah 9:6

“You shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3

To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other besides him. Deuteronomy 4:35

Know therefore today, and lay it to your heart, that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other. Deuteronomy 4:39

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Deuteronomy 6:4

“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. Deuteronomy 32:39

And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said: “O Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:20

I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. Isaiah 42:8 (Of course they removed His name.)

“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. Isaiah 43:10

I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:11

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, Isaiah 45:5

Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. Isaiah 45:21

Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, Isaiah 46:9

That all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no other. 1st Kings 8:60

There is none like you, O Lord, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 1st Chronicles 17:20

Therefore you are great, O Lord God. For there is none like you, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 2nd Samuel 7:22

And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said: “O Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. 2nd Kings 19:15

But I am the Lord your God from the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no savior. Hosea 13:4

For you are great and do wondrous things; you alone are God. Psalm 86:10

Genesis begins with THREE
Genesis identifies Who the THREE are
YHWH Elohim calls Himself by the THREE as His Name forever
YHWH YAHshua HaMashiach declares the THREE in His Gospel
His apostles John, Paul and Peter also identify the THREE from Genesis
Acts identifies the THREE
Revelation identifies the THREE

The followers of monotheistic religion who claimed to know God, crucified God's Son = the LORD of Glory.
They did this because they were monotheistic.

The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy,
and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” - John 10:33

 

[David in NJ]

Interestingly, Pharaoh asked Moses the same question:

Exo. 5:2 But Pharaoh said: “Who is Jehovah, that I should obey his voice to send Israel away? I do not know Jehovah at all, and what is more, I will not send Israel away.”

i know who the LORD of Glory is, just as Abraham and Moses did.

i am asking you = who is 'jehovah' to you, for the real LORD of the Holy Scriptures is not the jehovah you claim to believe in.

The YHWH Elohim came to earth when the FATHER sent His Son along with the Ruach HaKodesh.

jehovah witnesses are false witnesses by there own admission, by which they will be judged - Isaiah 45:22-23

Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
And shall not return,
That to Me every knee shall bow,
Every tongue shall take an oath.

 

[RLT63]

Yahweh made it absolutely clear that He was the only God in the Old Testament. If you look at the words God and or Lord in the scriptures before they took His name out of the Old Testament it would say YHWH.



In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

“You are the Lord, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you. Nehemiah 9:6

“You shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3

To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other besides him. Deuteronomy 4:35

Know therefore today, and lay it to your heart, that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other. Deuteronomy 4:39

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Deuteronomy 6:4

“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. Deuteronomy 32:39

And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said: “O Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:20

I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. Isaiah 42:8 (Of course they removed His name.)

“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. Isaiah 43:10

I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:11

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, Isaiah 45:5

Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. Isaiah 45:21

Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, Isaiah 46:9

That all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no other. 1st Kings 8:60

There is none like you, O Lord, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 1st Chronicles 17:20

Therefore you are great, O Lord God. For there is none like you, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 2nd Samuel 7:22

And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said: “O Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. 2nd Kings 19:15

But I am the Lord your God from the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no savior. Hosea 13:4

For you are great and do wondrous things; you alone are God. Psalm 86:10

I'm confused. You said you believe in the Trinity but not that the three are one, but you just provided a number of examples of the one God

 

[David in NJ]

New topic.

Do you have a guardian angel? - testimonies

Open topic for testimonies about guardian angels. - Do you think you have a guardian angel? - Have they made themselves aware to you? - What did they do? [

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i have THREE

 

[Scott Downey]

The JW say the Holy Spirit is a force of power, if this were true how can a force be grieved?
Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

To experience grief shows The Holy Spirit is an emotional being, personal.

 

[Scott Downey]

If the Holy spirit is a force, how then does Jesus call the Holy Spirit HE?
A force would be an IT, impersonal. Not existing as a person; having no personality:

John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

 

[Scott Downey]

KJ21
For there are three that bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.
ASV
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
AMP
For there are three witnesses:
AMPC
So there are three witnesses in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One;
BRG
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word , and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
CSB
For there are three that testify:
CEB
The three are testifying—
CJB
There are three witnesses —
CEV
In fact, there are three who tell about it.
DARBY
For they that bear witness are three:
DLNT
Because the ones testifying are three:
DRA
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
ERV
So there are three witnesses that tell us about Jesus:
EASY
So there are three things that show us clearly that Jesus came from God.
EHV
In fact, there are three that testify:
ESV
For there are three that testify:
ESVUK
For there are three that testify:
EXB
·So [or For] there are three ·witnesses [who testify/bear witness]:
GNV
For there are three, which bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy Ghost: and these three are one.
GW
There are three witnesses:
GNT
There are three witnesses:
HCSB
For there are three that testify:
ICB
So there are three witnesses:
ISV
For there are three witnesses in heaven—the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

 

[Scott Downey]

NKJV
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
NLV
There are three Who speak of this in heaven: the Father and the Word and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
NLT
So we have these three witnesses—
NMB
(For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.)
NRSVA
There are three that testify:
NRSVACE
There are three that testify:
NRSVCE
There are three that testify:
NRSVUE
There are three that testify:
NTFE
There are three that bear witness, you see,
OJB
Because there are sshah giving solemn eidus:
RGT
For there are Three Who bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these Three are One.
RSV
And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
RSVCE
And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
TLV
For there are three that testify—
VOICE
So there are three testifying witnesses:
WEB
For there are three who testify:
WE
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
WYC
For three be, that give witnessing in heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost [For three be, that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, or Son, and the Holy Ghost]; and these three be one.
YLT
because three are who are testifying [in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

 

[David in NJ]

The JW say the Holy Spirit is a force of power, if this were true how can a force be grieved?
Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

To experience grief shows The Holy Spirit is an emotional being, personal.

How do you blaspheme a 'force'?

How is that blaspheming a 'force' constitutes the unforgivable sin???

 

[Scott Downey]

How do you blaspheme a 'force'?

How is that blaspheming a 'force' constitutes the unforgivable sin???

I left a church I had been going to for over 10 years once, as I was more interested in Truth than they were. Yes, it is complicated. If you know what full preterist is, you might agree with me. The new pastor was such, and I objected, and then decided I did not want to be associated with a church where the leadership supported that teaching. I thought it especially bad as he was the former youth pastor and had been teaching the kids that for several years, including my 2 kids, and none of the adult people I knew there were aware of this.

He taught them there was no sudden destruction coming at the return of Christ, the world was just getting better and better over time with all the new technologies coming out. Believing anything about a coming antichrist or beast government was just too scary and all of revelation, all of it happened in 70AD. And when Christ returned everyone would be a Christian, and the reason Christ had not yet returned was the church was lazy and not converting the entire world. And none of that church leadership had any problem with that.

I say this because it is hard to leave a church where you have been going a long time and have friends and family there, and a JW would be shunned if they said they believed in the Trinity as Truth. People make decisions and the people I talked with said it dd not matter as it was not a salvation issue, so they did not care.

 

[RLT63]

I left a church I had been going to for over 10 years once, as I was more interested in Truth than they were. Yes, it is complicated. If you know what full preterist is, you might agree with me. The new pastor was such, and I objected, and then decided I did not want to be associated with a church where the leadership supported that teaching. I thought it especially bad as he was the former youth pastor and had been teaching the kids that for several years, including my 2 kids, and none of the adult people I knew there were aware of this.

He taught them there was no sudden destruction coming at the return of Christ, the world was just getting better and better over time with all the new technologies coming out. Believing anything about a coming antichrist or beast government was just too scary and all of revelation, all of it happened in 70AD. And when Christ returned everyone would be a Christian, and the reason Christ had not yet returned was the church was lazy and not converting the entire world. And none of that church leadership had any problem with that.

I say this because it is hard to leave a church where you have been going a long time and have friends and family there, and a JW would be shunned if they said they believed in the Trinity as Truth

I would have left too

 

[Scott Downey]

I would have left too

I finally told the elders it was a false teaching, and they got mad and said not to tell anyone, and then one of them challenged me and said I was speaking against the Lord's anointed. So, there was nothing else that could be done. They took offense at me. And over the next few years, half the elders died. I have talked with people that go there, and they say he is not preaching the message he used to as they have not heard him talk that way. So it could be I shook them enough they told the pastor to no longer preach that anymore, but I know he still believes it as I have talked with him since. And we are friendly but he knows how I feel.

 

[Scott Downey]

So when you read here
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.

That guy was saying He already did in 70 AD as a spiritual second coming only. And it must have happened as Christ said quickly -soon and 2 thousand years is not soon.

So, he believed in a third coming of Christ, But since it will be a physical return it is the second coming

1,2,3 I am out of there.

 

[Brakelite]

Nice to agree on something...

The issue for you is not having a narrative that explains Christ being alive while dead or a pre-existent Christ — the problem is that such a story is absent, which we would expect if these concepts were false.

I mean, you can say what ever you want concerning that section of Scripture and know you have no other passage in the OT or anywhere to support.

What's being revealed to you fits the Biblical Story and Context.

F2F

The issue for you is not having a narrative that explains Christ being alive while dead

You are the one with the issue. I have never claimed Christ was alive while dead. Christ died. Utterly, completely, fully dead. Otherwise we are not redeemed. He died the death that we must die if we refuse to repent and accept His mercy and His death in our place. Death is not a life at a different address. Jesus did not go to what the Christian Church today calls "hell". Christ accepted our punishment for sin upon Himself. He did not suffer in hell for all eternity. He died. Now of course you are justified in asking, if Christ is God, how can He die? He can die because His life is His own. It was a life given Him by His Father, a life gamed Him through inheritance, a life that was His very own. He can do with it according to His will. Christ said, My Father has given Me authority to lay it down and take it up again.
Christ also is spoken of several times as the Creator.

“13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: ”
Colossians 1:13-22 KJV

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“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; ”
Revelation 3:14 KJV

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The last one above is used by JWs as meaning Jesus to be the first creature created. But elsewhere in the NT, the scripture is clear. The Son of God was begotten. Not created as were the angels, not adopted as sinful man, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of His Majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. ”
John 8:42 KJV

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As for no other scriptures supporting His pre-existence, apart from the above, you have been shown numerous, and there are many more besides. Here's one I haven't quoted before...
“I and my Father are one.” The words of Christ were full of deep meaning as he put forth the claim that he and the Father were of one substance, possessing the same attributes. The Jews understood his meaning, there was no reason why they should misunderstand, and they took up stones to stone him. Jesus looked upon them calmly and unshrinkingly, and said, “Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of these works do ye stone me?…. Had the Pharisees misunderstood his words, he could and would have corrected their wrong impression. He could have told them that he was no blasphemer, although he had called himself the Son of God, and that his words need not necessarily mean that he had invested himself with divine prerogatives, and made himself equal with the Father. But Jesus made no such statement. The impression they had received was the very impression he desired to make.

 

[Grailhunter]

Genesis begins with THREE
Genesis identifies Who the THREE are
YHWH Elohim calls Himself by the THREE as His Name forever
YHWH YAHshua HaMashiach declares the THREE in His Gospel
His apostles John, Paul and Peter also identify the THREE from Genesis
Acts identifies the THREE
Revelation identifies the THREE

The followers of monotheistic religion who claimed to know God, crucified God's Son = the LORD of Glory.
They did this because they were monotheistic.

The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy,
and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” - John 10:33

So are you saying Yahweh is a liar?

 

[Grailhunter]

I'm confused. You said you believe in the Trinity but not that the three are one, but you just provided a number of examples of the one God

If you notice those are Old Testament scriptures.
One God in the Old Testament.
The Jews believed in one God.
Christians believe in Yahweh 1, Yeshua 2, Holy Spirit 3.
End of confusion.

 

[face2face]

You are the one with the issue. I have never claimed Christ was alive while dead. Christ died. Utterly, completely, fully dead. Otherwise we are not redeemed. He died the death that we must die if we refuse to repent and accept His mercy and His death in our place. Death is not a life at a different address. Jesus did not go to what the Christian Church today calls "hell".

Agree - my apologies if I have read things into your posts, or forgotten certain beliefs you have expressed in the past.

Christ accepted our punishment for sin upon Himself. He did not suffer in hell for all eternity. He died.

I don't believe it was punishment....but I get the thrust of what you are saying

1. God required His Law and Flesh to be taken out of the way
2. Christ showed us how to live the righteousness of God in our daily lives - its all about God Manifestation and he was killed for revealing Him

He went to the grave (hell) but due to his sinless life the grave could not hold him.

Now of course you are justified in asking, if Christ is God, how can He die? He can die because His life is His own. It was a life given Him by His Father, a life gamed Him through inheritance, a life that was His very own. He can do with it according to His will. Christ said, My Father has given Me authority to lay it down and take it up again.

Correct - because of the Master's sinless life God gave him that command - to lay it down and to receive it back again. In other words, God assured His Son he would not be left in the grave - the command is a promise from Father to Son which we know He kept, as He does all his promises.

Christ also is spoken of several times as the Creator.

Not as a Creator, but as being the reason for the Creation - both Physical and Spiritual

“13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: ”
Colossians 1:13-22 KJV

"The firstborn of all creation" refers to both the physical and spiritual realms, for without the spiritual creation, the physical creation could not exist—just as the natural comes before the spiritual.

"By him" signifies that God (Yahweh) had Jesus in mind throughout all of His creative works. Think of Christ as the very center of God's Divine plan—Christ is the ultimate Divine Pattern. His Masterpiece!

"Firstborn from the dead" "The firstborn of all creation" is qualified in verse 18 to be "the firstborn from the dead" This is the Achille heels of the Trinity!

Only 2 Options Brakelite:

1. Jesus already existed as a god and therefore his "firstborn" status means nothing but him attaining what he always was and has, or
2. Jesus was just like you and I, a man who was literally raise from the dead and exalted to the right hand of the Father on High.

Option 1 offers no meaningful atonement as Jesus cannot represent those he was offered to save. He would also fail the High Priest test that he must be a man taken from among men.

Option 2 fully meets all the requirements of an atoning sacrifice in every respect - flesh was rent in two!

Preeminence not preexistence

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; ” Revelation 3:14 KJV

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The last one above is used by JWs as meaning Jesus to be the first creature created.

No Jesus was not an angel, or any pre-existing being.

"The beginning of the creation of God" — The creation of God comprises the Elohim of the Age to come (Luke 20:36), of whom Christ is the beginning See Col. 1:15-19.

God only speaks to this age / epoch of time and how His manifestation is through His Elect and Christ who is always included as being part of this creation.

Christ is the groom and we are the bride - he is our head and God is his Head

But elsewhere in the NT, the scripture is clear. The Son of God was begotten. Not created as were the angels, not adopted as sinful man, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of His Majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Only begotten to mean on Christ can boast that God is His Father even though He more than note makes reference to being the Son of David and for good reason. Jesus owes his existence to God AND David and is unique in this regard.

What is interesting however is the reward of the Saints is to be like Jesus in every way!

"Begotten from above" see John 3:3 refers to a spiritual rebirth. The origin of this rebirth is the "incorruptible seed of the word of God, which lives and endures forever" (1 Pet. 1:23). As this seed grows in the life of a believer, it will ultimately result in the granting of "divine nature" from heaven at Christ's return (2 Pet. 1:4; 2 Cor. 5:2-4). At that time, they will be "born of the Spirit" and, metaphorically, will have "come down from heaven" (cf. James 1:17).

So while you are right about Christ you need to expand Christ to mean the elect also.

I'll leave it there for now

F2F

 

[Brakelite]

The fallen angels were not 'spirits' in Noahs day for they left their spiritual domain and took on flesh - Jude

There are many assumptions being made to sustain such an idea. Sons of God are not always angels. The faithful descendants of Adam were sons (and daughters) of God. The unfaithful children of Cain were the daughters (and sons) of the devil. Christ spoke to the spirits of men who were in bondage of sin in Noah's day. He spoke through Noah, just as He did through all the prophets. It is assumption to speak of illicit relations between angels and men. All men were giants in those days compared to today. Just as the life span diminished because of sin and improper diet and lifestyle, so also did their stature. Archaeological finds confirm giant 12 foot skeletons from that period. They weren't half angels. Just men. Certain genetic traits of great size continued after the flood. They weren't half angels either. Angels cannot become men. They cannot deny what they are. That's worse than gender fluidity. And more nonsensical. The Greek myths of half animals and half men are more believable.

 

[Brakelite]

Only the physical body(Jesus) died on the Cross.

The Word that was God inside the physical body of Jesus NEVER died.

Luke 23:44
Now it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
Then the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in two.
And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’ ”
Having said this, He breathed His last.

Then all you are left with is an insufficient human sacrifice. In fact, no sacrifice at all because your Trinitarian belief demands that all members of the Godhead are irrevocably connected to one another and cannot be divided.

 

[quietthinker]

Then all you are left with is an insufficient human sacrifice. In fact, no sacrifice at all because your Trinitarian belief demands that all members of the Godhead are irrevocably connected to one another and cannot be divided.

Food for thought....
1...Sacrifice = killing something and offering it on an altar
2...Sacrifice = putting your last two pennies into the Temple treasury
3...Sacrifice = limiting your unlimited reality to a human body which feels rejection and pain from those you love, knows hunger and thirst and weariness, is subject to death.
4...Sacrifice = Remaining human for eternity.