THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[JLB]

What verse says this?

Trinitarians do not recognize the contradiction of their doctrine.
P1. God is a committee of 3.
P2. One member of this committee is ‘fully’ God.
C. 3 = 1

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6


Who appeared to Moses from the burning bush?

Who called to Moses from the midst of the burning bush?

Who was Moses afraid to look upon ?


The Angel of the LORD is called the LORD, as well as God.

God the Son, not God the Father.






JLB

 

[RLT63]

Yesterday, despite all the clear and concise exegesis, the only response from one member was, "You put up a good case." Let me ask you, Wrangler: how is it that a member can be shown the truth repeatedly, yet continue to present more verses as if they prove their point?

What is going on in the mind of a believer when it's clear they are wrong, yet instead of accepting the truth of the interpretation, they continue to search for more Scripture to twist?

Let me name those who did this @St. SteVen @RLT63 @Eternally Grateful @Scott Downey

What is wrong with these people?

F2F

Your arrogance is amazing. Has it ever occurred to you that you could be the one who is wrong?
Your post is comical , what's wrong with you?

 

[Scott Downey]

Who is coming on the Day of the LORD (YHWH) ?

I’ll give you a hint:

The Day of the LORD (YHWH) is also called the Day of Christ!



Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:1–5


Who is coming on the Day of the LORD (YHWH) with the saints?


Answer: Jesus Christ.


Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” Jude 14-15

Excellent post.

 

[JLB]

He was the voice of the burning bush and the leader of Israel through the wilderness.
God’s spokesman was his representative…the bridge between God and sinful humans….he spoke FOR God and AS God….but he was not “God”….so he is not “the Lord” of the Hebrew Scriptures…..and inference doesnt make him more that Scripture says he is.

Then you deny the truth of the scriptures in favor for your own private interpretation.

The Angel of the LORD is the Son of God; YHWH the LORD God.


Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

Why did the Jews pick up stones to stone Him when He said I AM?

 

[St. SteVen]

The spirit of antichrist denies that Christ came in the flesh.
Came from where?

1 John 4:3 NKJV
and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.
And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

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There it is.
Any spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh from God is the spirit of antichrist.

Come in the flesh? Why state the obvious unless there is something significant about it? There is.

God has come in the flesh. Emanuel, God with us.

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[St. SteVen]

Emanuel, God with us.

https://soundcloud.com/user-426611522%2Fgift-wrapped
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[face2face]

Your arrogance is amazing. Has it ever occurred to you that you could be the one who is wrong?
Your post is comical , what's wrong with you?

You’ve been the one posting text after text, and receiving a correct understanding, so the question remains: how do you do this?

If you came back with an alternative interpretation, I could understand that, but instead, you come back with nothing—completely devoid of any substance!

Surely your not oblivious to this RLT?

F2F

 

[JLB]

Let’s all play nice since the mods allowed us to discuss the Trinity.


Just let the scriptures do the talking.

 

[face2face]

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There it is.
Any spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh from God is the spirit of antichrist.

Come in the flesh? Why state the obvious unless there is something significant about it? There is.

God has come in the flesh. Emanuel, God with us.

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God could not dwell in Sin's Flesh St Steven which is why he put it to death and why you are asked to do the same.

Galatians 5:24 writes, “And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

In the hope of also sharing in Divine Nature

F2F

 

[face2face]

Just let the scriptures do the talking.

And they have been sounding forth truth on this subject and falling on deaf ears.
F2F

 

[face2face]

Then you deny the truth of the scriptures in favor for your own private interpretation.

The Angel of the LORD is the Son of God; YHWH the LORD God.


Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

Why did the Jews pick up stones to stone Him when He said I AM?

You must learn to read the Word in Context and don't force your notions upon it! You end up doing precisely what Christs opponents were doing.

Christ's reference to Abraham is meant to highlight his pre-eminence, not his pre-existence. The Jews had claimed Abraham as their father (verse 39), and in response, Christ affirms his greater role in God's divine plan by stating, "before Abraham was, I am." He did not say, "before Abraham was, I was," as is often misinterpreted. Like modern-day Trinitarians, the Jews misunderstood Jesus. He was not claiming to be literally older than Abraham. This is clarified by his earlier statement, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad" (verse 56). Abraham, to whom the gospel was preached (Gal. 3:8), "saw" the day of Christ through the lens of faith. Christ was "foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times" (1 Peter 1:20). He existed in God's eternal plan but had not yet been revealed. Similarly, Christ was the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8), but his actual crucifixion occurred during the time of Pilate.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yesterday, despite all the clear and concise exegesis, the only response from one member was, "You put up a good case." Let me ask you, Wrangler: how is it that a member can be shown the truth repeatedly, yet continue to present more verses as if they prove their point?

What is going on in the mind of a believer when it's clear they are wrong, yet instead of accepting the truth of the interpretation, they continue to search for more Scripture to twist?

Let me name those who did this @St. SteVen @RLT63 @Eternally Grateful @Scott Downey

What is wrong with these people?

F2F

Ask yourself the same question

Why is it you continue to attack people when you do the same thing

As u said yesterday you give your opinion. I disagree with your opinion it does not mean I teach or believe a lie it means I disagree with you

But all you do is attack attack.

Whatever dude

 

[face2face]

Then you deny the truth of the scriptures in favor for your own private interpretation.

The Angel of the LORD is the Son of God; YHWH the LORD God.


Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

Why did the Jews pick up stones to stone Him when He said I AM?

not sure if you this proves the complex dogma of the Trinity - I assume not!

There is no evidence that Christ is referencing the divine name (often rendered in the A.V. as "I am that I am"). Jesus simply uses the present tense of the verb "to be." Even if this verse were interpreted as an allusion to the divine name, it does not prove that Christ was claiming to be "Very God." The divine name in Exodus 3:14 (R.S.V. margin) declares, "I will be what I will be," which was a prophetic declaration of God's purpose. Jesus Christ was "God manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16) and "the Word made flesh" (John 1:14). As such, he was the embodiment of God's character, "full of grace and truth" (John 1:14, cf. Exod. 33:19), and became the "firstborn among many brethren" (Rom. 8:29). Christ was the product of the Word made flesh, not the originator of the divine plan. As he himself said, "I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me" (John 8:42).

 

[face2face]

Whatever dude

I'm not your homie!

 

[IronMaiden]

Ready - Set - Let's Go

Since God the FATHER cannot have sin in His Presence, who was the mediator between God and man BEFORE Jesus???

the Son?

 

[RLT63]

You’ve been the one posting text after text, and receiving a correct understanding, so the question remains: how do you do this?

If you came back with an alternative interpretation, I could understand that, but instead, you come back with nothing—completely devoid of any substance!

Surely your not oblivious to this RLT?

F2F

Correct according to you. Most of the verses I posted require no explanation, other people who read the thread get it.
What you offer is only correct to you and those who believe like you do and you are oblivious to this.
I come back with nothing because everyone with a basic understanding of scripture knows the truth and your lengthy explanations are only correct in your mind and those who believe as you do.
There is nothing I can teach you because you will only accept what you already believe

 

[David in NJ]

He was the voice of the burning bush and the leader of Israel through the wilderness.
God’s spokesman was his representative…the bridge between God and sinful humans….he spoke FOR God and AS God….but he was not “God”….so he is not “the Lord” of the Hebrew Scriptures…..and inference doesnt make him more that Scripture says he is.

Well even in your response here you confer that the Word is the Lord even though you try to evade

As you said in TRUTH, no sin and no human(all are contaminated with sin) can approach the FATHER.

THREE Blessings for you to embrace in your heart of God's love for you so that you may have HOPE of GLORY

#1 - Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist.
And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

#2 - But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

#3- the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles:
which is Christ in you, the hope of Glory.


The FATHER's Will is for CHRIST to be in you = the Hope of Glory = DON'T MISS OUT

 

[face2face]

Who is coming on the Day of the LORD (YHWH) ?

I’ll give you a hint:

The Day of the LORD (YHWH) is also called the Day of Christ!

The day when Christ will establish His Fathers Kingdom with the view to do what?

Then comes the end, when he (Jesus) delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 1 Corith 15:24

For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)

Can you see how God has vested Himself into His Son?

Do you understand what God manifestation means?

F2F

 

[face2face]

Correct according to you. Most of the verses I posted require no explanation, other people who read the thread get it.
What you offer is only correct to you and those who believe like you do and you are oblivious to this.

If you have nothing to offer only to infer some false meaning on a text you copy and paste.

Can you see this?

 

[David in NJ]

the Son?

The Word that was God from the Beginning

The Word is the Lord who spoke to Moses for NO ONE comes to the FATHER but thru ME(the Word that became flesh)