David in NJ
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Since God the FATHER cannot have sin in His Presence, who was the mediator between God and man BEFORE Jesus???
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Since God the FATHER cannot have sin in His Presence, who was the mediator between God and man BEFORE Jesus???
St. SteVen
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Naysayers will say Christ was spiritually possessed.
Aunty Jane
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Since God was not able to have direct contact with sinful humans, it is apparent that Jesus in his position as “the son of God” was always “the logos” “from the beginning” as it states in John 1:1. He just hasn’t always been known as “Jesus” which is the name he was given at his human birth. As we can see from the scriptures, Jesus has many roles and each one comes with a title or name. He even speaks of another “new name in Philippians 2:9…
”For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name”……how do you give Jesus a name that is higher that what he already has if he is God?
Rev 3:12 also mentions a “new name”.
His title ”logos” can mean “one who speaks God’s words”…or a “spokesman”…so in those instances where God sent his angel to speak for him, it was likely always the one he appointed in many roles…..he is a spokesman, a representative, a teacher, a redeemer, and a mediator.
Aunty Jane
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@David in NJ who was “the prophet like Moses”, the human mediator of the old covenant?
Only a sinless man could be the savior of other men.
And all men have sinned
Except for Christ who is the perfect spotless Lamb of God, he knew no sin, which shows He was more than just a man.
1 Peter 1
17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your [f]stay here in fear; 18 knowing that you were not redeemed with [g]corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was [h]manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
And all men have sinned
Except for Christ who is the perfect spotless Lamb of God, he knew no sin, which shows He was more than just a man.
1 Peter 1
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13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your [f]stay here in fear; 18 knowing that you were not redeemed with [g]corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was [h]manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
David in NJ
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Excellent
Therefore it was the Word who was the Lord who appeared and spoke to Moses.
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Berean
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It's a subject that brings out the uglies in people. So, I rather abstain from that discussion.
Berean
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As I've said before, it's a subject that brings out the uglies in people. So, I rather abstain from that discussion. I know what I believe and why, and can readily defend my beliefs, but too often, people start throwing insults and I rather not subject myself to that.
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I'm not going to deal with your crazies today Eternally - your pride is plainly evident.
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Thats ok
Your Pride matches mine at the least. If not more..
I am open. You have stated you are not
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Yesterday, despite all the clear and concise exegesis, the only response from one member was, "You put up a good case." Let me ask you, Wrangler: how is it that a member can be shown the truth repeatedly, yet continue to present more verses as if they prove their point?
What is going on in the mind of a believer when it's clear they are wrong, yet instead of accepting the truth of the interpretation, they continue to search for more Scripture to twist?
Let me name those who did this @St. SteVen @RLT63 @Eternally Grateful @Scott Downey
What is wrong with these people?
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Who is coming on the Day of the LORD (YHWH) ?
I’ll give you a hint:
The Day of the LORD (YHWH) is also called the Day of Christ!
Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:1–5
Who is coming on the Day of the LORD (YHWH) with the saints?
Answer: Jesus Christ.
Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” Jude 14-15
Aunty Jane
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He was the voice of the burning bush and the leader of Israel through the wilderness.
God’s spokesman was his representative…the bridge between God and sinful humans….he spoke FOR God and AS God….but he was not “God”….so he is not “the Lord” of the Hebrew Scriptures…..and inference doesnt make him more that Scripture says he is.
St. SteVen
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The spirit of antichrist denies that Christ came in the flesh.
Came from where?
1 John 4:3 NKJV
and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.
And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
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