THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[amigo de christo]

This is how logic, God's Law and statistics work = see if you have God's Logic and Truth

JESUS said: "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”

@Wrangler @Aunty Jane believe that the FATHER did this "Work" when HE delivered the Israelites from bondage to Pharoah/Egypt

Deuteronomy 5:6-7
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

GOSPEL
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
GOSPEL
Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

QUESTION - Who did the Greater Work?

The FATHER delivering the Israelites from bondage under Pharoah/Egypt
or
the SON who delivers those bound by sin unto Eternal Forgiveness and Eternal Life?

RE do the question my friend . Its not WHO did the greater work for the work JESUS DID the FATHER DID through Him .
ITS rather WHO had to come to set man free from the very bondage he put himself into in the first place .
The answer . GOD WOULD have to save MAN and deliver man . JESUS is not the created .
GOD created all men and all men fall far short . SOMETHING else was gonna have to occur to save man .
AND IT WOULD NOT COME FROM THE CREATED but by THE CREATOR HIMSELF .
what man could not do , GOD DID . and unto all who do beleive IN JESUS THE CHRIST they shall not perish
but have everlasting life . Many good works have i shown you FROM MY FATHER .
AS I HEAR I DO and i am not alone FOR MY FATHER IS ALWAYS WITH ME .
THIS IS MY WELL BELOVED SON , HEAR HIM . WELL HELLO INTEFAITH YOU LIAR , ITS TIME WE SAY TO ALL
HEAR THE SON , BELIEVE IN HIM or perish .

 

[amigo de christo]

If they were to teach the TRUTH of the Simplicity in Christ, they would no longer receive the praises of men which they love and $$$

Think not ill of me for what i next say .
But interfaith is of satan . I will expose it .
now a man might say buy hey amigo you hate interfaith doctrine .
YES I DO . The fear of the LORD is to hate EVERY EVIL WAY .
not the people , BUT THE DOCTRINE . i depise it to the core , from its root to its fruit ITS A LIE .

 

[Ritajanice]

HalleluYAH, all Glory to God for your Salvation Rita



So the Holy Spirit is in your heart and God's seed but not JESUS who is from GOD???
Why did the HOLY SPIRIT tell the Apostle Paul to write this in Romans 8:9 ???

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin,


Love you Rita

I love you too Brother, I too can see the genuine Love Of God indwelling your spirit...

His Love will grow in us Brother, the Love we have for him, just keeps on getting deeper and deeper..,because we are Born Again.,God Bless my dear friend and you are a dear friend to me ..a Brother in Christ.

Only those with the Holy Spirit can truthfully and sincerely say "Jesus is Lord," and every believer can say that(1 Corinthians 12:1–3). Spiritual gifts, acts of service, and other godly activities come in a wide variety. What they have in common is that each one comes from the same Holy Spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

but this you have , YOU HATE the doctrine of the nicolations which I also hate .
hating the doctrine of intefaith is not wrong nor evil . IT HAS DENIED JESUS THE CHRIST thus IT HAS DENIED GOD .
AND guess what folks , IT WONT SAVE ONE SOUL it will damn them all right under the lie .
and now a word
I have this against YOU , you allow that false prophetess to teach and to seduce my people .
NOT THIS LAMB , INTERFAITH and those who pratice and teach it , WILL be exposed , it will not be allowed
on this lambs watch to seduce this people . just some friendly reminders .

 

[amigo de christo]

I love you too Brother, I too can see the genuine Love Of God indwelling your spirit...

His Love will grow in us Brother, the Love we have for him, just keeps on getting deeper and deeper..,because we are Born Again.,God Bless my dear friend and you are a dear friend to me ..a Brother in Christ.

Only those with the Holy Spirit can truthfully and sincerely say "Jesus is Lord," and every believer can say that(1 Corinthians 12:1–3). Spiritual gifts, acts of service, and other godly activities come in a wide variety. What they have in common is that each one comes from the same Holy Spirit.

well lets remind those who preach and believe inclusivity that , lets remind these who pratice this inclusive interfaith that.
cause thems beleive a fat lie that the SPIRIT is at work within all them false JESUS CHRIST LORD DENYING religoins .
And guess what rita . someone you KNOW believes INCLUSVISM . a lie that is .
Them false religons DO NOT BELEIVE HE IS CHRIST , DO NOT CALL HIM LORD . so WHERE IS this so called HOLY SPIRIT
in them cats . THE pope lies as do many rita . they USE , they use THE NAME OF JESUS , they claim to BELIEVE HIS CHRIST
and yet darn sure have no problem IMPLYING ITS NOT NECESSARY to BELIEVE ON HIM . they USE JESUS
to preach a lie . marvel not many can use the name of JESUS and yet lie and promote unbelief and sin .
YOU KNOW someone on this site who has at one time admitted , WHEN i asked them , THEY DO beleive in inclusivism .
the man is dangerous rita . ANY who uses the name of JESUS to promote a lie
of unbelief and play pretends will receive the greater damnation . THEY DID IT IN HIS NAME . worse than being ice cold .

 

[Aunty Jane]

JESUS said: "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”

@Wrangler @Aunty Jane believe that the FATHER did this "Work" when HE delivered the Israelites from bondage to Pharoah/Egypt

Deuteronomy 5:6-7
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

Whoa…just a minute….where have I said that the “work” God has done (and is still doing) pertained only to Israel’s deliverance from Egypt? That is apparently your assumption, yet you have used the Scripture to fuel it. God stating that he had delivered his people from slavery in Egypt, was in no way his completed work, just a small part of it in the big picture.

GOSPEL
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
GOSPEL
Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

QUESTION - Who did the Greater Work?

The FATHER delivering the Israelites from bondage under Pharoah/Egypt
or
the SON who delivers those bound by sin unto Eternal Forgiveness and Eternal Life?

I can’t believe that you would even ask such a ridiculous question…..

 

[Aunty Jane]

The prophets of old knew Him as LORD; YHWH the LORD God.

That’s who Jesus Christ is.

Do you understand that YHWH the LORD God Almighty became flesh?

No, sorry I do not hold that belief at all since no Scripture calls Jesus Yahweh…ever.
What did Jesus call himself? That is who he said he was.…”the Son of God”…..(John 10:31-36)

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

That is a translation error….the Scripture in 1 Tim 3:16 does not say “God was manifested in the flesh”.
In context from vs 14-16….NASB…
“ I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long; but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh,
Was vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.”

The word “godliness“ used there and spoken of as a mystery, is “eusebeia” and according to Strongs, it means

1. reverence, respect
2. piety towards God, godliness

the doctrine that promotes godliness, 1 Timothy 6:3 [see κατά, II. 3 d.]; ἡ ἀλήθεια ἡ κατ’ εὐσέβειαν, the truth that leads to godliness, Titus 1:1; τὸ μυστήριον τῆς εὐσεβείας, the mystery which is held by godliness and nourishes it, 1 Timothy 3:16”

So it promotes godliness…leads to godliness….nourishes godliness….

Speaking of Jesus, we see that he did all those things.

John 1:1 is a mistranslation too because there are two “gods” mentioned in that verse….but only one is Yahweh…the other is his divine son….his “firstborn”…the only being in existence who was a direct creation of his Father. All creation came from the Father by means of the Son, which does not make him “God” with a capital “G”, but a “divine mighty one” which is the meaning of “theos“ in Greek.

If you look at the Interlinear you will see that “the Word was with God” (“ho theos” Yahweh) and that “the Word was a god” (“theos”) but not “THE God” (ho theos). It was the Word who became flesh not his God.
Its such a little word but in John 1:1 it speaks volumes about how accurately trinitarians translators rendered that verse, now THE trinitarians proof text…..but on careful study, it is nothing of the sort.

John 1:18 in the same chapter tells us that “no man has seen God at any time”…did John contradict himself?
Did all the apostles contradict John when they identified the God that they collectively worshipped?

1 Cor 8:5-6…
“ For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.”

Their “one God” was the Father…..and their “one Lord” was Jesus Christ. The title “Lord” for Christendom became another word for God, when it is merely a title of respect…one used by slaves to address their masters. A title Sarah used for Abraham….so much is read into those titles that simply isn’t there.

How can mere humans kill an immortal God? This is why the Creator “sent” his son to die for us….the one he appointed as a “mediator between God and men”…..the mediator is there to reconcile two estranged parties…so he cannot be one of the parties. If Jesus was God, we would need a mediator between us and him as well.

Once you see the gaping holes in the trinity, the whole of Christendom’s house of spiritual cards, collapses.
It is a disunited and bickering mess of conflicting beliefs…..no place for God, his Christ or the Holy Spirit to accomplish anything good.

 

[Wrangler]

so he is titled God with us.

but he is not God.

Yes. This is normal figurative language usage that you are trying to fit into a literal take. The Anointed is NOT literally named Immanual. Ergo, Immanual is not literally with us. Someone comes up to you with the authority from the POTUS. It does not mean they are the POTUS. It's really simple and common way to speak about many things regarding agency.

You should give it up because your entire argument is specious. The trinity is not in the Bible and saying someone will be called something does not change the fact that the trinity is not in the Bible.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes. This is normal figurative language usage that you are trying to fit into a literal take. The Anointed is NOT literally named Immanual. Ergo, Immanual is not literally with us. Someone comes up to you with the authority from the POTUS. It does not mean they are the POTUS. It's really simple and common way to speak about many things regarding agency.

You should give it up because your entire argument is specious. The trinity is not in the Bible and saying someone will be called something does not change the fact that the trinity is not in the Bible.

Yawn

Good day sir. You have nothing for me.

 

[David in NJ]

Whoa…just a minute….where have I said that the “work” God has done (and is still doing) pertained only to Israel’s deliverance from Egypt? That is apparently your assumption, yet you have used the Scripture to fuel it. God stating that he had delivered his people from slavery in Egypt, was in no way his completed work, just a small part of it in the big picture.

I can’t believe that you would even ask such a ridiculous question…..

i see you are diverting away from God's Logic

Lord Jesus says: "My Father works until now, and I have been working"

Which work was greater Old Covenant or New Covenant???

Deliverance from bondage to Pharoah/Egypt?

Deliverance from bondage to sin, Eternal Forgiveness unto Eternal Life???

 

[Ritajanice]

i see you are diverting from away God's Logic

Lord Jesus says: "My Father works until now, and I have been working"

Which work was greater Old Covenant or New Covenant???

Deliverance from bondage to Pharoah/Egypt?

Deliverance from bondage to sin, Eternal Forgiveness unto Eternal Life???

New Covenant of course.all Born Again are under the New Covenant.

Deliverance from bondage to sin, Eternal Forgiveness unto Eternal Life.

 

[Marvelloustime]

but this you have , YOU HATE the doctrine of the nicolations which I also hate .
hating the doctrine of intefaith is not wrong nor evil . IT HAS DENIED JESUS THE CHRIST thus IT HAS DENIED GOD .
AND guess what folks , IT WONT SAVE ONE SOUL it will damn them all right under the lie .
and now a word
I have this against YOU , you allow that false prophetess to teach and to seduce my people .
NOT THIS LAMB , INTERFAITH and those who pratice and teach it , WILL be exposed , it will not be allowed
on this lambs watch to seduce this people . just some friendly reminders .

@amigo de christo

 

[St. SteVen]

Here's one worth considering. (we probably already have)

Colossians 2:9-10 NIV
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness.
He is the head over every power and authority.

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[WillTell]

Beloved friends, let’s totally adore the existence of the Trinity and keep it prominent in our worship. Remember, you cannot pray without the Trinity. Let’s know without a doubt that the full work of salvation requires a Trinity. You cannot draw near to the Father except through the Son, and by the Holy Spirit. 3 = 1

Three does indeed equal One! Thank you, @LatterRain , for a beautifully simple explanation! Only because of the unified, integrated workings of the Trinity can we “Give unto the LORD the glory due to His name; Worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.” (Psalm 29:2)

 

[Ritajanice]

We must be Born Again to pray in the Holy Spirit.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth
Romans 8:27 - And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God



Romans 8:26 - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Ephesians 6:18 - Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Jude 1:20 - But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Romans 8:26-27 - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 14:15 - What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

1 Corinthians 14:14 - For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Romans 8:27 - And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Matthew 6:7 - But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

1 Corinthians 14:2 - For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

James 4:3 - Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

John 15:7 - If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Ephesians 2:18 - For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

1 Corinthians 14:19 - Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

1 Corinthians 14:4 - He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Matthew 26:41 - Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

1 John 5:15 - And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Philippians 4:6 - Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God

 

[David in NJ]

Here's one worth considering. (we probably already have)

Colossians 2:9-10 NIV
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness.
He is the head over every power and authority.

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WOWZA

@Wrangler @Aunty Jane

Page after page of CLEAR scripture denoting CHRIST as God = just like His FATHER

It says: "in Christ is ALL the FULLNESS of THE Deity"

 

[David in NJ]

Good Job!
You are looking into this deeper than most people can.
Do not forget or maybe you know.....the Greek for the word....Word is Logos.....as in manifest is a 6th century BC Greek concept.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him

 

[Aunty Jane]

i see you are diverting away from God's Logic

Well, I am diverting away from what you are implying….”God’s logic” has little to do with what you are suggesting.

Lord Jesus says: "My Father works until now, and I have been working

Meaning that both are actively engaged in the outworking of God’s original purpose for the the earth and the human race he created to live here forever…..(Gen 3:22-24)
What is that purpose in your view David?

Which work was greater Old Covenant or New Covenant???

Deliverance from bondage to Pharoah/Egypt?

Deliverance from bondage to sin, Eternal Forgiveness unto Eternal Life???

It is apparent that you see some superiority in two very different systems of worship, under two different covenants, yet it seems you cannot see the purpose of one in connection with the other….it’s not an “either or” question.
All of what the Bible tells us about the human story from Genesis onward, culminates in Revelation with the restoration of what God started in Eden. Each book of the Bible contributes something to that one story.

There is so much that is relegated to the “not so important basket” when all of it is important in its own way.
Even calling the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures “old” and “new” testaments detracts from the importance of the “old covenant” when it was replaced by the “new covenant”…..None of the Scriptures are “old” as in, ‘no longer important’. Types and shadows revealed much to the writers of the Greek Scriptures.

”All Scripture is inspired of God” was said of the only Scripture in existence when the apostles walked the earth. There were no “Christian” Scriptures in existence back then, so Jesus and his apostles taught form the Hebrew writings….that makes the “old” just as important as the “new” as they are all part of one story….the conclusion of which is about to overtake humanity in a way they could never have contemplated.

Where are we going according to your beliefs?

 

[David in NJ]

Well, I am diverting away from what you are implying….”God’s logic” has little to do with what you are suggesting.

Meaning that both are actively engaged in the outworking of God’s original purpose for the the earth and the human race he created to live here forever…..(Gen 3:22-24)
What is that purpose in your view David?

It is apparent that you see some superiority in two very different systems of worship, under two different covenants, yet it seems you cannot see the purpose of one in connection with the other….it’s not an “either or” question.
All of what the Bible tells us about the human story from Genesis onward, culminates in Revelation with the restoration of what God started in Eden. Each book of the Bible contributes something to that one story.

There is so much that is relegated to the “not so important basket” when all of it is important in its own way.
Even calling the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures “old” and “new” testaments detracts from the importance of the “old covenant” when it was replaced by the “new covenant”…..None of the Scriptures are “old” as in, ‘no longer important’. Types and shadows revealed much to the writers of the Greek Scriptures.

”All Scripture is inspired of God” was said of the only Scripture in existence when the apostles walked the earth. There were no “Christian” Scriptures in existence back then, so Jesus and his apostles taught form the Hebrew writings….that makes the “old” just as important as the “new” as they are all part of one story….the conclusion of which is about to overtake humanity in a way they could never have contemplated.

Where are we going according to your beliefs?

You said something that was ABSOLUTE TRUTH a couple of days ago.

You said: God had to send a mediator because HE will not allow sin in His Presence.

Remember this???

 

[Aunty Jane]

Page after page of CLEAR scripture denoting CHRIST as God = just like His FATHER

Yes, clear indications that Jesus is ‘the visible image of an invisible God’…..tell me how that works?
They only way Jesus is the image of his Father is in his personality and characteristics. He is a reflection of his Father as the Scriptures plainly state…..the moon is a reflection of the sun, but it has no light of its own. Jesus was “given” Holy Spirit…..he was “given“ all that he taught…..he was “given” authority because he did not have these things in himself.

You said something that was ABSOLUTE TRUTH a couple of days ago.

You said: God had to send a mediator because HE will not allow sin in His Presence.

Remember this???

Yes…do you want to get into that specifically?
Ready when you are….