THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[David in NJ]

Will topics that were closed because the subject was being discussed be reopened to continue the threads?

Several topics I opened were closed for that reason.

Usually 'Threads/Topics' are closed when people deviate from the topic into name calling.

You will find that those who hold to a false doctrine will get annoyed when it is exposed and then devolve into hurling insults.

Which in turn results in those speaking the Truth to defend the Truth and their own integrity by rebuffing those in the flesh/carnal mind.

No one is perfect and even those who hold to the Truth fall into giving insults also.

It all depends on the idol that is being exposed and how dear that idol is to some = see discussions on Roman Catholicism and it's evil ways

 

[amigo de christo]

God is the One who Planted me.

And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: 5“A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. 7And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. 8But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded [e]a crop a hundredfold.” When He had said these things He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

Those who are the planting of the LORD GOD
are those who love and keep His sayings .THEY BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST . To them EVERY WORD of the LORD BE TRUTH .
And though they might not understand all , THEY BELIEVE ALL THAT IS WRITTEN and understanding cometh in time .
His words be their meat . And within their hearts has been given the desires of GOD to do what pleases HIM .
TWISTING and omitting and casting off his Words to heed men gone wrong , YA THAT DONT PLEASE GOD .
Trying to imply a word rather than THE WORD and many other things do people twist unto their own destruction
IS NOT PLEASING to GOD at all , IT DENIES HIM , IT Does not give HIM GLORY .
The sheep love and rejoice IN TRUTH . for GOD has shed the true charity , true love upon their hearts
and THAT REJOICES ALWAYS IN TRUTH and not in inquity , not in a lie . NO LIE is of the truth
but rather cometh of the dark one who by the lusts of the flesh gets the honor and worship of man .
BY THE SPIRIT which is TRUTH and TESTIFIES OF CHRIST JESUS and ALL things HE did teach
A man has the desire and ability to DO that which pleases GOD to worship HIM in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH .
But many worship GOD rather through the precepts of men gone wrong . AND THAT IN NO WAY IS WORSHIP TO GOD
but rather REBELLION against HE and HIS CHRIST . Every word of GOD is meat to the soul of a lamb .
Their motto has become , LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . IF GOD says it , ITS TRUE
if man says it , IT MUST BE TESTED TO SEE if it be true or a lie . BUT IF GOD says it ITS TRUE . we test them against the scriptures

 

[St. SteVen]

... they are misquoting Scripture, asserting it means something the author did not intend...

That sounds like your own assertion.
What if it was the intention of the author?
You disagree because it conflicts with your personal doctrinal opinion. (lens)

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[Wrangler]

I have yet to see anyone prove this

You are fully indoctrinated as it has been proven many different ways and many times. What constitutes proof for you and do you apply this very same standard to the anti-Biblical claim or do you merely accept 3=1 as a given?

 

[Wrangler]

What if it was the intention of the author?

With the possible exception of Luke, all the Biblical authors were unitarian Jews who reject the trinity to this day. So, you must interpret their writings from this monotheist perspective.

 

[St. SteVen]

You are fully indoctrinated as it has been proven many different ways and many times.

That saw cuts both ways.

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[David in NJ]

All of this still doesn’t negate how “Elohim” can be used, such as at Judges 16:23.

If you insist on applying it to God as meaning plural, then you’re contradicting the Shema of Deuteronomy 6:4, and making it seem that God is schizophrenic, talking to Himself (themselves?) when saying, “Let us make man in our image….” - Genesis 1:28

Was He talking to Himself, or simply talking to someone else?

Hope your day goes well.

From Jusges 16:23
to their god
אֱלֹהֵיהֶ֖ם (’ĕ·lō·hê·hem)
Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

All of this still doesn’t negate how “Elohim” can be used, such as at Judges 16:23.

YES it does and the Living Elohim uses the SAME word for HIMSELF as HE does for false elohim - SEE point #2

#1 - It s applied specifically to The Only TRUE Elohim = Genesis , Moses , OT Prophets , Psalms

#2 - As it is used to speak of other 'gods'/elohim = Deuteronomy 13:6-7

#3 - As it is used to speak of 'humans' = Psalm 82

 

[St. SteVen]

With the possible exception of Luke, all the Biblical authors were unitarian Jews who reject the trinity to this day. So, you must interpret their writings from this monotheist perspective.

Do you have proof of this absurd claim?

Was Thomas a unitarian Jew?

John 20:28 NIV
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

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[face2face]

This is what @Eternally Grateful does not get. There is no such thing as proof by assertion. Asserting a certain verse or chapter proves something does not make it so. In this way, they are misquoting Scripture, asserting it means something the author did not intend, out of context, etc. For instance, Jesus is "OF" God. This is a preposition, not a verb meaning "IS."

It's easy to show the abuse of reference Trinitarians are forced to rely on. One thing we know they will not do is admit any relative weakness in the IDOL. They often assert "mountains of Scripture evidence" but cannot actually point to a single verse that states their doctrine. They rely on aritifical synthesis, a snip here added to a snip there. Any doctrine can be "supported" in this way. I'm embarassed for them. I suppose this is what IDOLATRY looks like.

@Eternally Grateful - I have the feeling that even if I could bring back the author (from the dead) of that parenthesis to explain when and why it was added, I still wouldn't receive any acknowledgment from you or Scott.

Would you say that's an accurate assessment of the situation?

F2F

 

[amigo de christo]

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

And this is how we know watchtower/jw is antichrist = NWT John 1:1

NWT John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

Your antichrist religion places a 'god' before The God in DIRECT violation of the Commandment

Deuteronomy 5:6-7
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

And yet many deny JESUS HIMSELF . HE said YE must BELEIVE in HIM
interfaith says no NEED , our truth is no better than any other religoins
HOW ANTI CHRIST IS THAT .
HE WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST is anti christ . SAID JOHN .
HE who beleives NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON calls GOD a LIAR .
but this is not what intefaith says and yet many seem to desire to beleive THE LIE
that somehow all these other religoins do serve GOD and can perform the golden rule and etc .
IMPOSSIBLE I SAY . FOR HOW can one even perform the GOLDEN RULE
WHEN THEY DENY GOD , WHEN THEY DENY CHRIST . TELL me HOW IS THE LOVE OF GOD EVEN IN THEM
when they call HIM A LIAR . IT AINT david . INTERFAITH IS the GLUE that shall shall bind all anti christs to be and merge AS ONE
NEVER let them fool ya my friend . THEY can holler all day DONT JUDGE there are good people in every religoin .
BUT i say THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT GOD and thus all NEED JESUS THE CHRIST

 

[Nancy]

I'm still waiting for you to show human and divine - you recall what you said Johann. Your words "Christ is fully human and fully divine"

Show where you got this from.

F2F

"I and My Father are one.”
John 10:31

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1

"And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6 <---- Who was Isaiah speaking of here?

"6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will"
Isaiah 9:1-7

I see Jesus divinity all over the scriptures. Just sayin :)

 

[amigo de christo]

@Eternally Grateful - I have the feeling that even if I could bring back the author (from the dead) of that parenthesis to explain when and why it was added, I still wouldn't receive any acknowledgment from you or Scott.

Would you say that's an accurate assessment of the situation?

F2F

yea rather go to and look at who is omitting the facts . Go to and behold you beloved wrangler .
HE even admits JESUS said I AM alpha and omega , first and the last , BUT STILL tries to use some kind of the oddest logic
to implant a lie . WHEN lots of scrips are proving one wrong , MY ADVICE IS put down the books of men
and pick up THE BIBLE FOR YOU and YOU learn it for YOU .

 

[face2face]

John 20:28 NIV
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

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Wow where is a bucket of water when we need it! Youre on fire tonight!

Thomas' confession acknowledges that Jesus had indeed risen from the dead, but it does not serve as a declaration that Jesus is "God the Son." As a Jew, Thomas used a form of expression common in the Old Testament, where accredited representatives of God are referred to as "God." For example, angels are called "God" in passages such as Gen. 16:7 (cf. vs. 13), 22:8, 11, 15 (cf. vs. 16), and Exod. 23:20-21. Moses is referred to as a "god" to Pharaoh in Exod. 7:1, where "god" is translated from the Hebrew word "elohim." This term, translated as "God," can also refer to the judges of Israel, as seen in Psa. 82:1, 6 (cf. John 10:34). It is also translated as "judges" in Exod. 21:6; 22:8, 9, and as "gods" (or "judges" in the margin) in Exod. 22:28.

I guess if you were a unitarian Jew you would know this.

F2F

 

[St. SteVen]

Does the Bible reserve worship for God alone?

• Matthew 2:11
  On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary,
  and they bowed down and worshiped him.
  Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts
  of gold, frankincense and myrrh.
  
  
• Matthew 14:33
  Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying,
  “Truly you are the Son of God.”
  
  
• Matthew 28:9
  Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said.
  They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.
  
  
• Matthew 28:17
  When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
  
  
• Luke 24:52
  Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
  
  
• John 9:38
  Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

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[Taken]

@Ritajanice

The trinitarian argument mistakenly hinges on the word "power."

The Trinitarian correctly testifies of Knowing God is Almighty, Omnipotent, and His All Power IS His Glory Which He GIVES His All Power, All Glory, TO NO One.

Gods Word came to Earth As A Humbled Servant unto God, Without All Power, without the Task To Teach Human Men OF ALL of Gods Knowledge, Rather to Teach Human Men, HOW they could Gain More of Gods Knowledge beyond the Text AND Gods Understanding OF Gods Such increased Knowledge.

While on Earth God Revealed TO “A Very Few shepherds”…that Gods Humbled Servant…Jesus…IS IN FACT …. The ALL Knowing and All Powerful Of God.

A FEW of the shepherds, TO Jesus’ Face, Confessed THEY Absolutely BELIEVED HE IS HE, The All-Knowing … Which ONLY APPLIES TO God.

Any human CAN call ON The Lord, And Confess the SAME….which IS What a Trinitarian Believes AND Does.

And people such as yourself, and @Ritajanice Can REJECT such Belief And Further Rail Against People WHO Have Accepted Such Belief and they such as yourself can challenge and Discourage Others WHO may be leaning Toward Accepting Such Belief.

The Text Reveals the Knowledge THAT Jesus IS the Word of God AND the Christ, Who IS the all Power And Glory Of God.

The willingness for an individual human to Believe the Revealed Knowledge, hangs on every individuals FREEWILL to Believe and their FREEWILL to call on the Lord and CONFESS their Belief…..OR Not.

The Conundrum IS People Claiming THEY DO Believe WHO Jesus IS. And HAVE CONFESSED THEIR BELIEF TO HIM….
YET Continue to preach to other men Christ the Lord Jesus IS NOT God.

Scripture WARNS to be Diligent, be Informed, BE Sure, Know What one IS Confessing TO, Before calling ON the Lord TO make a CONFESSION of Agreement OF WHO The Lord Jesus IS!
(2 Pet 1:10)

WHO IS THE Lord Jesus?

You along with RitaJanice can Read for yourselves the very question JESUS asked And the Correct Answer.

Luke… Chapter 9
Mark …Chapter 8
Matthew… Chapter 16

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[St. SteVen]

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying,
“Truly you are the Son of God.”

A boat load of unitarian Jews?

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[St. SteVen]

Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said.
They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

More unitarian Jews?

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[St. SteVen]

Luke 24:52
Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

More unitarian Jews?

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[St. SteVen]

John 9:38
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

More unitarian Jews?

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[David in NJ]

That saw cuts both ways.

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I did not know that it was a sin to be "fully indoctrinated" by the TRUTH.

John 7:16 - Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

"I and My Father are one.”
John 10:31

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1

"And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6 <---- Who was Isaiah speaking of here?

"6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will"
Isaiah 9:1-7

I see Jesus divinity all over the scriptures. Just sayin :)

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