The two witnessss

[Verily]

Your sentence implies that only the Prophets have the Holy Spirit

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No question is stupid unless it is motivated by malice and/or evil intent and yet even then the question(s) may not be 'stupid'

Saints have the Spirit, they were shown latter on whereas the two prophets are shown earlier, these all have the Spirit.

 

[ScottA]

Dear ScottA,

Why do you believe that the truth of Christ is "simple"? It is not.

Christ's New Covenant teachings are meant to be understood ONLY by the converted Elect who have had their spiritual blindness healed and have been given a love for the truth. For everyone else (the children of the Devil), Christ's teachings are meant to be impossible to understand.

Prov 2:1 My son (converted believers), if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, 2 making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; 3 yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, 4 if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, 5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (a converted believer). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who can only draw milk) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

Because babes who draw milk cannot understand the truth of Christ's New Covenant teachings, they will fall for Satan's deceptions and become "worse than the first":

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

The spiritual symbol of an unclean spirit represents a spirit which teaches Satan's false truth through lies and deceptions.

Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ. ONE unclean spirit leaves but comes back with SEVEN more. The number "seven" represents perfection. In this case, the number seven represents the perfection of Satan's lies/deceptions which come to a believer by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. Now, instead of ONE unclean spirit within the believer, they now have EIGHT. The number eight is a spiritual symbol which represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, the new spiritual condition is worse than the first.

This "worse than the first" spiritual condition causes the believer to become a False Prophet, a Man of Sin, a Minister of Satan and a Seven Headed Beast with Ten Horns & Crowns.

Paul confirmed the hidden nature of the gospel below:

2Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Only believers who are converted/saved can understand the Gospel. For the rest of mankind (which includes "babes"), the Gospel is hidden from them.

Joe

That is all good, but the time has come for gathering. Just as the word has unfolded "here a little, there a little" over many generations, it is time for refolding. The days of great and lengthy dissertations were not to continue forever. Now is the time to say more by saying less--He must increase (and has) and we must decrease. These are the final chapters.

 

[Verily]

Saints have the Spirit, they were shown latter on whereas the two prophets are shown earlier, these all have the Spirit.

Notice also post #29 of Earburners first reply to me was edited.

 

[David in NJ]

Saints have the Spirit, they were shown latter on whereas the two prophets are shown earlier, these all have the Spirit.

AGREE

 

[Douggg]

That is all part and parcel of the foretold "lie" propagated by false teachers entering into the church causing strong delusion and great apostacy for a time. That time has passed, although many still believe the "lie."

The text of Revelation 11 is a lie ?

Are you a preterist ?

But I wasn't asking.

You weren't asking - what ?

Scott, you need to work on communicating more clearly. Or is it your intent to be vague and elusive ?

 

[ScottA]

The text of Revelation 11 is a lie ?

Are you a preterist ?


You weren't asking - what ?

Scott, you need to work on communicating more clearly. Or is it your intent to be vague and elusive ?

On the contrary, I have not been vague, but have cut to the chase in truth.

But, no, Revelation 11 is not a lie, only that which has been taught of it for the past 2,000 years.

 

[tailgator]

Saints have the Spirit, they were shown latter on whereas the two prophets are shown earlier, these all have the Spirit.

Not every prophet does good (Ballam)
Look closely at their works.


Hebrews 6

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.



Lake of fire bound

 

[David in NJ]

On the contrary, I have not been vague, but have cut to the chase in truth.

But, no, Revelation 11 is not a lie, only that which has been taught of it for the past 2,000 years.

Actually the Two Witnesses are BOTH

A.) Christ in you the hope of Glory = Acts 1 = "You are My witnesses"
and
B.) Two Prophets who had not tasted death and now are sent to finish their course.

 

[ScottA]

B.) Two Prophets who had not tasted death and now are sent to finish their course.

I wouldn't expect to see any prophets of old reappearing in this world.

But the scope of the prophecy is even bigger anyway. His witnesses have been since Adam, and continue even to the end.

 

[David in NJ]

I wouldn't expect to see any prophets of old reappearing in this world.

But the scope of the prophecy is even bigger anyway. His witnesses have been since Adam, and continue even to the end.

I wouldn't expect to see any prophets of old reappearing in this world.

Scripturally speaking there is a very strong possibility.

But the scope of the prophecy is even bigger anyway. His witnesses have been since Adam, and continue even to the end.

True

 

[ScottA]

Scripturally speaking there is a very strong possibility.

I get that. But it is important to remember that the words are spirit, purposely confused by God, and as much as foolishness if simply looked at from a literary standpoint.

 

[Douggg]

But, no, Revelation 11 is not a lie, only that which has been taught of it for the past 2,000 years.

(in red) you are being vague. Different things have been taught over the course of 2000 years. Some think the two witnesses's 1260 days is the first half of the 7 years. Others think the two witnesses's 1260 is the second half of the 7 years.

Address what does the text of Revelation 11:3-12 say ?

On the contrary, I have not been vague, but have cut to the chase in truth.

No, you have not cut to the chase of what is written in Revelation 11:3-12. Instead you have completely ignored it, and have gone off on some personal spiel of things not written in Revelation 11:3-12.

 

[Verily]

Not every prophet does good (Ballam)
Look closely at their works.


Hebrews 6

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.



Lake of fire bound

I agree with this

 

[David in NJ]

(in red) you are being vague. Different things have been taught over the course of 2000 years. Some think the two witnesses's 1260 days is the first half of the 7 years. Others think the two witnesses's 1260 is the second half of the 7 years.

Address what does the text of Revelation 11:3-12 say ?


No, you have not cut to the chase of what is written in Revelation 11:3-12. Instead you have completely ignored it, and have gone off on some personal spiel of things not written in Revelation 11:3-12.

The first half of the 70th Week has already been fulfilled.

 

[ScottA]

Address what does the text of Revelation 11:3-12 say ?

I was, but okay sure:

I was referring to the fact that false teachers were foretold by Peter and have entered into the church spreading destructive doctrines, and also Paul saying that a "lie" would be believed causing "strong delusion" and "great apostacy." And yet, Jesus had promised that the Holy Spirit would lead us unto all truth during that same time period many refer to as the church age. The caveat to all of that however, was also revealed that there was the contents of a "little book" that would be sealed until just before the end of time, wrapping up the all truth promise and completely finish the mystery of God.

So...if one has not heard directly from God regarding a different teaching than has been taught up until just before the end of time--all other teachings for the past 2,000 years are suspect.

And why, you might ask, does my explanation of the two witnesses sound different than you have ever heard? Is because I have--I have heard directly from God. Even so, what I have heard was not lawful to utter for nearly forty years, until now. This is that time foretold.

 

[Douggg]

I was referring to the fact that false teachers were foretold by Peter and have entered into the church spreading destructive doctrines, and also Paul saying that a "lie" would be believed causing "strong delusion" and "great apostacy."

Where in Revelation 11:3-12 is there any mention of false teachers ?

 

[FaithWillDo]

That is all good, but the time has come for gathering. Just as the word has unfolded "here a little, there a little" over many generations, it is time for refolding. The days of great and lengthy dissertations were not to continue forever. Now is the time to say more by saying less--He must increase (and has) and we must decrease. These are the final chapters.

Dear ScottA,
You are misapplying the teachings of scripture.

The reason that truth is taught "here a little, and there a little" is to make it more difficult for a person to know the truth so that they will fall prey to Satan's deceptions.

In addition, by teaching truth "here a little, and there a little", it opens the door for the carnal mind to add to scripture things that are pleasing to it. It has nothing to do with truth being unfolded over many generations. I can't imagine how you came up with that idea.

Here is an example of how Christ teaches truth "here a little, and there a little":

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Apostate believers will use this verse above to say that mankind has a "free will" ability to make choices. However, the verse is silent on the cause of why mankind makes the choices that they do.

To find the answer of why mankind makes the choices that they do, we must use the principle of "here a little, and there a little" - and that requires us to look to other scripture. When we do, we find that God is the cause of the choices that mankind makes and not any supposed free will ability:

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Also, the verse that says "He must increase and I must decrease" applies to a believer after they are converted.

John the Baptist (who made that statement) is a "type" for the Old Man (the carnal mind). After a believer is converted, their carnal mind begins decreasing as the believer learns truth and by the chastisements of Christ when they sin. It is through this maturing process that a newly converted "little child" becomes a perfect man of full age.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Finally, where did you come up with this unscriptural teaching that "now is the time to say more by saying less"? Nowhere in scripture is this taught.

Paul clearly says that we should not go beyond what is written:

1Cor 4:6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

Truth only comes from God's Word. When a person adds to scripture, it will produce error in their understanding.

Joe

 

[ScottA]

Where in Revelation 11:3-12 is there any mention of false teachers ?

Oh, now I see the problem-- You're looking in the wrong place, not considering the whole word of God!

The entire word of God is connected to every part.

 

[ScottA]

Dear ScottA,
You are misapplying the teachings of scripture.

The reason that truth is taught "here a little, and there a little" is to make it more difficult for a person to know the truth so that they will fall prey to Satan's deceptions.

In addition, by teaching truth "here a little, and there a little", it opens the door for the carnal mind to add to scripture things that are pleasing to it. It has nothing to do with truth being unfolded over many generations. I can't imagine how you came up with that idea.

Here is an example of how Christ teaches truth "here a little, and there a little":

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Apostate believers will use this verse above to say that mankind has a "free will" ability to make choices. However, the verse is silent on the cause of why mankind makes the choices that they do.

To find the answer of why mankind makes the choices that they do, we must use the principle of "here a little, and there a little" - and that requires us to look to other scripture. When we do, we find that God is the cause of the choices that mankind makes and not any supposed free will ability:

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Also, the verse that says "He must increase and I must decrease" applies to a believer after they are converted.

John the Baptist (who made that statement) is a "type" for the Old Man (the carnal mind). After a believer is converted, their carnal mind begins decreasing as the believer learns truth and by the chastisements of Christ when they sin. It is through this maturing process that a newly converted "little child" becomes a perfect man of full age.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Finally, where did you come up with this unscriptural teaching that "now is the time to say more by saying less"? Nowhere in scripture is this taught.

Paul clearly says that we should not go beyond what is written:

1Cor 4:6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

Truth only comes from God's Word. When a person adds to scripture, it will produce error in their understanding.

Joe

That is all very scholarly of you--good study, I'm sure! But it is God who decides when and where previous scripture is applicable and fulfilled.

I was not loosely name-dropping out of context, but proclaiming the truth from God.

 

[Earburner]

I'm guessing you think I have missed this for some strange reason.

I wouldnt look to you for clues

Your replies to me have been somewhat vague, so I assumed that you were not understanding that I percieve that John the Baptist and Jesus were the two witnesses, whereby there are no others to come.
There are numerous scriptures in the gospels that support my conclusion.
But, since you are not looking for any clues from me, I strongly sugggest that you find them yourself. And if not, then enjoy the whirlwind that church-ianity promotes.