THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[David in NJ]

Ambiguous? - LOL
Genesis 1:26 is ambiguous?
Not in reference to how many gods there are, or how many gods make up the godhead.
It's unambiguously a We, not an I.

Furthermore, Trinitarian doctrine recognizes a three-in-one God.
So they can be refereed to either way.

Genesis 1:26 NIV
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,
so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky,
over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over
all the creatures that move along the ground.”

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Ambiguous? - LOL
Genesis 1:26 is ambiguous?

Love it

 

[Wrangler]

Ambiguous? - LOL
Genesis 1:26 is ambiguous?

Yes because it is not specified who he is talking to. Trinitarians are eager to presume and the reason being there is no verse that states their doctrine.

 

[Wrangler]

The Bible says that the Holy Spirit is a person. (he/him)

Personification is common. Doesn’t make the ‘person’ God sent God.

 

[Verily]

St. SteVen said:
I already quoted a text from Genesis. Which you ignored. (denied)
- Who is present in this discussion below?
- Who is the "us" that humankind was made in the image of?
- Why does it say "our" image?
- Why does it say "our" likeness?

Maybe you can help me by answering the questions in a non-Trinitarian way?
Rather than redirecting to a passage you prefer. God said, us, our, our. ???

Genesis 1:26 NIV
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,
so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky,
over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over
all the creatures that move along the ground.”

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Same here

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

And when Jesus came down from heaven, he said he was not alone

The Father is with me. John 16:32

And likewise he said,

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's not an interpretation. The verse you cite does not even mention Jesus.

There is only one God, the Father (1 for 8:6), whose spirit is holy. The attribute of holiness is not a different person. The very fact that you admit that Jesus was sent proves he is NOT God. God does the sending; he is not sent.

Let’s see

1 the God of Israel was sent by the father and the spirit
2 he is the redeemer
3 he is the first and the last

So if he not the father. Then who is he?

 

[Grailhunter]

Love it

@Verily @David in NJ
All through the Old Testament Yahweh made it absolutely clear that He was the only God and there was no other.
That does not negate from the fact that Yahweh had a Son.
And Father and Son work together in the New Testament.
And Father and Son communicated in the New Testament.
And the Father loved His Son.
And the Son recognized that the Father was senior to Him.
The Father is greater than I.

For those that want to fixate on the fact that Yeshua was in the Old Testament. You are right to an extent. The Gods relationship with time is different than ours. For us time passes…tick…tick. Gods are part of time, past, present, and future. When Yeshua was born part of Him was at the beginning of tick….tick…tick. But Yahweh and Yeshua are not talking in the Old Testament. The Old Testament does not show Yeshua doing anything ….But His spirit was still part of Yahweh.

 

[David in NJ]

@Verily @David in NJ
All through the Old Testament Yahweh made it absolutely made it clear that He was the only God and there was no other.
That does not negate from the fact that Yahweh had a Son.
And Father and Son work together in the New Testament.
And Father and Son communicated in the New Testament.
And the Father loved His Son.
And the Son recognized that the Father was senior to Him.
The Father is greater than I.

For those that want to fixate on the fact that Yeshua was in the Old Testament. You are right to an extent. The Gods relationship with time is different than ours. For us time passes…tick…tick. Gods are part of time, past, present, and future. When Yeshua was born part of Him was at the beginning of tick….tick…tick. But Yahweh and Yeshua are not talking in the Old Testament. The Old Testament does not show Yeshua doing anything….But His spirit was still part of Yahweh.

Do you believe it was the FATHER in the OT that appeared to Moses?

 

[David in NJ]

Same here

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

And when Jesus came down from heaven, he said he was not alone

The Father is with me. John 16:32

And likewise he said,

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Are you saying, by these scriptures of Truth, that God is TWO, Father & Son, but not THREE ???

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you believe it was the FATHER in the OT that appeared to Moses?

Yes

 

[Verily]

Are you saying, by these scriptures of Truth, that God is TWO, Father & Son, but not THREE ???

No, I dont really say much at all, I just post what they say

 

[David in NJ]

No, I dont really say much at all, I just post what they say

What do you say?

 

[David in NJ]

Yes

What if i were to show you otherwise................would you be open to believe?

 

[Grailhunter]

What if i were to show you otherwise................would you be open to believe?

LOL

If we start comparing scriptures that show there are three God’s in one or that there are three distinct Gods in the Godhead. You can say, but the scriptures say this and I will say the scriptures say this, then… You can say, but the scriptures say this and I will say the scriptures say this then…. You can say, but the scriptures say this and I will say the scriptures say this then….You can say, but the scriptures say this and I will say the scriptures say this etc….

But you will run out of scriptures long before I do. Like I said, I have over a hundred scriptures that show that the one God formula for the Trinity is false. Not only direct scriptures but also all through the Gospels it shows two Gods working together and communicating to each other and referring to each other.

 

[Verily]

What do you say?

Not much, I don't typically talk about the threes in one, but I love the seven shown in one

Zec 3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

Isaiah 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Really, how did God communicate with Moses, Noah and Abraham? Were they sinless?

The Bible tells us that often it was angelic messengers who communicated with humans. Noah most likely heard the voice of God’s angel.....as Moses heard a voice in a burning bush. That was an angel. (Ex 3:2)

Abraham was visited by three angels in materialised form...one of whom spoke for Jehovah....in all probability, “the Word” in his pre-human form as his Father’s spokesman.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Didn't God have direct communication with Moses, Jonah, and others?

After the fall in Eden, God communicated with humans by means of his messengers....the meaning of the word “angel” is “messenger”.

 

[David in NJ]

LOL

If we start comparing scriptures that show there are three God’s in one or that there are three distinct Gods in the Godhead. You can say, but the scriptures say this and I will say the scriptures say this, then… You can say, but the scriptures say this and I will say the scriptures say this then…. You can say, but the scriptures say this and I will say the scriptures say this then….You can say, but the scriptures say this and I will say the scriptures say this etc….

But you will run out of scriptures long before I do. Like I said, I have over a hundred scriptures that show that the one God formula for the Trinity is false. Not only direct scriptures but also all through the Gospels it shows two Gods working together and communicating to each other and referring to each other.

OK
Then i will not post what JESUS said for you to see = it was a direct statement from Him without any need of interpretation.

Did you see Posts 155 & 162 ???

And second, because I have issues with the accepted theory among Christians that the union between the members of the trinity is indivisible. If that were the case, then Jesus never died, the sacrifice was a farce, and the atonement based on a false premise.

Ready for a UPdate on this???

 

[David in NJ]

After the fall in Eden, God communicated with humans by means of his messengers....the meaning of the word “angel” is “messenger”.

Who walked with and spoke directly with Adam & Eve???

 

[Grailhunter]

Did you see Posts 155 & 162 ???

Did you see posts 3 through 8 full posts full of proof

 

[Aunty Jane]

Who walked with and spoke directly with Adam & Eve???

It says God did, but can we really assume that it was the Creator himself who walked in the garden. Isn’t a representative the way God always communicated with humankind?

Think back to Moses’ request to see God, only to be told that “no man may see me and yet live”.....If the Creator of the Universe and all that fills it, as well as the inhabitants of the spiritual realm, of which we can only get glimpses from visions given to God’s prophets (like Ezekiel) how can we categorically say that God himself walked on this tiny speck of a planet with creatures that isaiah described as “grasshoppers”? (Isa 40:22)

What did A&E lose when they sinned? They were made painfully aware once they were evicted from the garden....