Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - The unforgivable sin?

[St. SteVen]

If "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" is a corporate sin by God's people in rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit, who says the Church can't do the same thing today? (Cessationism?) Where are we rejecting the work of the Spirit today?

Those are great questions. Thanks.

Even Jesus was prevented from doing many miracles in his hometown because of unbelief.
Today, Cessationists point at the church and say, "You aren't performing like the Apostles did."
When they are at fault.

They don't have these issues in third world countries. Only in the west.
What we are trying to do here is a pioneering work of rebuilding from the ruins.

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[Behold]

Can God be insulted?

Galatians 6:7

 

[Behold]

Certainly they never "believed in Jesus and His sacrifice".

Am I missing something here?

You always miss something..

So, in this case you "missed" the fact that Jesus had not Died on the Cross Yet... so, there was "no Sacrifice" the Pharisees could have believe in... at that time.

 

[Behold]

What is the unpardonable sin?

Dying unforgiven.......which means you were never born again., is the unpardonable sin.

See, there is only one Sin that God judges you for, in Eternity, and its an Eternal Sin.

What is that?

Its this...>>"if you sin WILLFULLY< there remaineth no more sacrifice for your sin"..

Not today, not tomorrow, = NEVER.... forever.

Why? Because the "willful sin of UNBELIEF">.. denies Christ's Forgiveness for you.. so you die "Un-Pardoned" (Unforgiven).. 'in your SINS"... Jesus said.

So, THAT is the ONE SIN, that is unforgivable, as its to DIE unforgiven......as a Christ Rejector... never born again,

What is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?,

Telling Jesus to His Face, 2000 yrs ago... that His Miracles are "by the power of the Devil".

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
What is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?,

Telling Jesus to His Face, 2000 yrs ago... that His Miracles are "by the power of the Devil".

Finally, a good post comment from you. Thanks.

What about today? No longer a sin?

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[Behold]

What about today? No longer a sin?

"sinning AGAINST the Holy Spirit".. can't be done today, as Jesus is not here in the Flesh performing Miracles that someone could see in person and then say to Him..>>"that is the power of the Devil you are performing for us, JESUS".

A person might ask... "but the verse says... its against the HOLY Spirit".

A.) "God is A Spirit"

B.) "Jesus is THAT Spirit"..

Notice.....>>>"Christ in YOU.. the hope of Glory"...........is all the born again are become the "Temple of the Holy Spirit".

 

[St. SteVen]

"sinning AGAINST the Holy Spirit".. can't be done today, as Jesus is not here in the Flesh performing Miracles that someone could see in person and then say to Him..>>"that is the power of the Devil you are performing for us, JESUS".

A person might ask... "but the verse says... its against the HOLY Spirit".

A.) "God is A Spirit"

B.) "Jesus is THAT Spirit"..

Notice.....>>>"Christ in YOU.. the hope of Glory"...........is all the born again are become the "Temple of the Holy Spirit".

So, you believe that the Holy Spirit is not in operation today?

If so, that may be blasphemous in itself.

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[Behold]

So, you believe that the Holy Spirit is not in operation today?

If so, that may be blasphemous in itself.

I have the Holy Spirit in me., as do all the born again.

"Christ in you, the hope of Glory"...

Every born again Christian, is become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".

This very day, the Holy Spirit revealed Jesus to the Hearts of thousands of unbelievers, who then placed THEIR Faith, in Christ.

 

[St. SteVen]

This very day, the Holy Spirit revealed Jesus to the Hearts of thousands of unbelievers, who then placed THEIR Faith, in Christ.

How many of those spoke in tongues or received a miraculous healing?

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[Behold]

How many of those spoke in tongues or received a miraculous healing?

All received redemption that is the eternal forgiveness of their sin, and the imputed Righteousness of Christ.... and that is the Healing restoration between the sinner and Holy God.

How many exhibited something supernatural?
All of them., as all of them were Born again by The Spirit of God.

 

[KUWN]

I wonder how we can balance the statement that "all Israel will be saved" with Jesus statement that
"anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (Matt.12:32) See below.

I think "ALL" Israel is a reference to the nation of Israel at the end of the trib where they have cried out, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord...

There is only a remnant left at the end of the Trib.. I think ALL refers to all Jews then alive at the time of the Second Coming. Any ideas?

 

[St. SteVen]

Any ideas?

@Lambano had a good question about whether the church (western) is guilty of the same sin of attributing the work of God to Satan. (Cessationism)

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[St. SteVen]

There is only a remnant left at the end of the Trib.. I think ALL refers to all Jews then alive at the time of the Second Coming. Any ideas?

That would not be the entire nation then, correct?
How far reaching is the responsibility for the blasphemy against the Spirit in first Century Israel?

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[KUWN]

And wasn't Israel's sin speaking a word against the Son of Man? Which will be forgiven. ???

The Holy Spirit's job in this instance is to convince the Nation of Israel that their Messiah was performing prophesied miracles and its fulfillment awaited their acceptance of the Kingdom of God.

If "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" is a corporate sin by God's people in rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit, who says the Church can't do the same thing today? (Cessationism?) Where are we rejecting the work of the Spirit today?

BTW, years ago, I read something by a Muslim apologist stating that the Church corporately committed the unpardonable sin of "polytheism" starting with Nicaea in 325 CE, so God had to correct this with his revelation to Mohammed in 610 CE.

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was specifically targeted on the Nation of Israel and the first century Jews. The NT context indicates that part of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rejecting the Messianic miracles that Jesus was performing in accordance with OT prophecy and attributing his miracles to Satan and his demons. Now that Christ has ascended to heaven, the blasphemy can no longer be committed.

 

[KUWN]

That would not be the entire nation then, correct?
How far reaching is the responsibility for the blasphemy against the Spirit in first Century Israel?

ALL Israel I think only refers to those Jews who are alive at the end of the Trib. I guess we are talking about the word ALL and what does that include. But I don't take it to mean all Israel from the time of Abraham to the second coming.

 

[KUWN]

If "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" is a corporate sin by God's people in rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit, who says the Church can't do the same thing today? (Cessationism?) Where are we rejecting the work of the Spirit today?

BTW, years ago, I read something by a Muslim apologist stating that the Church corporately committed the unpardonable sin of "polytheism" starting with Nicaea in 325 CE, so God had to correct this with his revelation to Mohammed in 610 CE.

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a specific sin, the Jewish sin of rejecting Jesus as Messiah and his attendant miracles that pointed to the Kingdom of God. We are rejecting the convicting ministry of the Spirit who is confirming that Jesus is the world's Savior. GJohn 16.8-11.

There is no such unpardonable sin of polytheism. Remember, the blasphemy is a very specific time, place, and people. Jesus was prophesied to offer the kingdom to Israel in AD 33 (Dan 9). Perform certain miracles that identified him as the Messiah. The conditions for anyone to commit the blasphemy of the Spirit are not available anymore.

I am Cessationist and believe that ALL revelation ceased until the renewal of the Jewish Dispensation, the Tribulation. The Trib is the final 7 years of the Jewish Dispensation. (Dan 9) So i am under a divine mandate to reject any claims to divine revelation before the Trib.

 

[quietthinker]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - The unforgivable sin?​

It is the Holy Spirit which brings the pertinence of the Good News to the awareness of men. The Spirit is the agency by which the Good News comes freely ie, the Good News of forgiveness, of acceptance for Jesus sake.

The Spirit will try many times in many ways in a mans lifetime to woo him/ her. The Spirit is the Hound of Heaven. Refuse what has been freely given, reject it and one cuts off the only agency that brings Grace to us. Scripture calls it the sin against the HS. Each refusal progressively hardens mens hearts and the Spirit's voice becomes fainter and fainter, not because it is faint but because mens ears become dull of hearing and where else is there to go? One can call it unbelief, or rebellion or any other name one chooses to give to, no thanks.

The question is asked again, where else will a man go? The agency (HS) which brings the gift of Life freely has been dismissed, waylaid, rejected. By its very definition this is unpardonable. Not because God wont pardon but because the pardon given is pissed on and thrown away as a worthless thing. Death becomes inevitable. God doesn't kill him, he kills himself by wilful choice.

Deception involves a false spirit, ie one which pedals lies about Grace and about the Character of God. False spirits counterfeit God's gifts and misrepresent his Grace; they make it conditional on our activity.

 

[St. SteVen]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - The unforgivable sin?​

It is the Holy Spirit which brings the pertinence of the Good News to the awareness of men. The Spirit is the agency by which the Good News comes freely ie, the Good News of forgiveness, of acceptance for Jesus sake.

The Spirit will try many times in many ways in a mans lifetime to woo him/ her. The Spirit is the Hound of Heaven. Refuse what has been freely given, reject it and one cuts off the only agency that brings Grace to us. Scripture calls it the sin against the HS. Each refusal progressively hardens mens hearts and the Spirit's voice becomes fainter and fainter, not because it is faint but because mens ears become dull of hearing and where else is there to go? One can call it unbelief, or rebellion or any other name one chooses to give to, no thanks.

The question is asked again, where else will a man go? The agency (HS) which brings the gift of Life freely has been dismissed, waylaid, rejected. By its very definition this is unpardonable. Not because God wont pardon but because the pardon given is pissed on and thrown away as a worthless thing. Death becomes inevitable. God doesn't kill him, he kills himself by wilful choice.

Deception involves a false spirit, ie one which pedals lies about Grace and about the Character of God. False spirits counterfeit God's gifts and misrepresent his Grace; they make it conditional on our activity.

Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed reply. But...

From the first paragraph of the OP:
"I reject the standard doctrine that states that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (the unforgivable sin) in unbelief.
The scripture in question does not support that conclusion."

The standard doctrine appears to have been reverse-engineered from the question: "What sin could be unforgivable?"

This is a great mystery. I have yet to hear an explanation that does not leave us with questions.
Even my own explanation falls victim to this mystery.

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[quietthinker]

Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed reply. But...

From the first paragraph of the OP:
"I reject the standard doctrine that states that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (the unforgivable sin) in unbelief.
The scripture in question does not support that conclusion."

The standard doctrine appears to have been reverse-engineered from the question: "What sin could be unforgivable?"

This is a great mystery. I have yet to hear an explanation that does not leave us with questions.
Even my own explanation falls victim to this mystery.

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When one consistently refuses the promptings of the Spirit, wouldn't you call that 'unbelief'?

 

[St. SteVen]

When one consistently refuses the promptings of the Spirit, wouldn't you call that 'unbelief'?

Certainly. But I wouldn't call it the unforgivable sin. (as prescribed by Christ)

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