Agree. Unbelief and blasphemy differ in passivity/activity. The former is a state of mind, the latter is an affirmative action.
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - The unforgivable sin?
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That's a keen insight, thanks.
Even indifference is form of unbelief. Christians tend to consider ALL unbelief as an ACTIVE hatred toward God.
Not true. Some of these supposed "Christ-rejectors" have never even heard of Jesus.
Yet Christians claim that these folks have sent themselves to hell. (because God would NEVER do that)
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quietthinker
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The Spirit points to Jesus. That is the Spirit's witness in all he does. The Spirit does not highlight himself.....reject the promptings and where to?
That strikes me as a narrow view of the Spirit's work.
1 Corinthians 2:13 NIV
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit,
explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[a]
John 16:13 NIV
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth.
He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
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quietthinker
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John 16:13-15
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
....and I might ask, what is the reference to 'he will tell you things to come' about? I would say in the context, it is about bringing to our knowledge the meaning of the crucifixion/ resurrection (still to come).....annnnnd, Jesus encompasses 'all truth'. I am the way, the truth and the life, remember?
I reject the standard doctrine that states that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (the unforgivable sin) is unbelief.
The scripture in question does not support that conclusion. (Matthew 12:24-31) See the OP.
As I understand it, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to attribute the works of God to Beelzebub. (Satan)
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The scripture in question does not support that conclusion. (Matthew 12:24-31) See the OP.
As I understand it, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to attribute the works of God to Beelzebub. (Satan)
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quietthinker
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St. SteVen said:
I reject the standard doctrine that states that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (the unforgivable sin) is unbelief.
The scripture in question does not support that conclusion. (Matthew 12:24-31) See the OP.
As I understand it, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to attribute the works of God to Beelzebub. (Satan)
But that leaves you with the potential to commit the unforgivable sin as "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."
Since it is left undefined.
On the other hand, how could any sin be unforgivable? But Jesus warns against it. (supposedly)
Which may indicate a problem with the text. Did Jesus really say that? Or was he misquoted.
The term "the unforgivable sin" is not even in the text. AFAIK the term was created by 20th century theologians.
And it became the center point of the passage "doctrinally". Leaving "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" out of it.
In my view the passage is a mystery.
And, as it relates to the passage, I don't accept the standard doctrine of "the unforgivable sin".
Matthew 12:31 NIV
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven,
but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Matthew 12:28 NIV
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons,
then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
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I reject the standard doctrine that states that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (the unforgivable sin) is unbelief.
The scripture in question does not support that conclusion. (Matthew 12:24-31) See the OP.
As I understand it, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to attribute the works of God to Beelzebub. (Satan)
You could, I suppose.
But that leaves you with the potential to commit the unforgivable sin as "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."
Since it is left undefined.
On the other hand, how could any sin be unforgivable? But Jesus warns against it. (supposedly)
Which may indicate a problem with the text. Did Jesus really say that? Or was he misquoted.
The term "the unforgivable sin" is not even in the text. AFAIK the term was created by 20th century theologians.
And it became the center point of the passage "doctrinally". Leaving "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" out of it.
In my view the passage is a mystery.
And, as it relates to the passage, I don't accept the standard doctrine of "the unforgivable sin".
Matthew 12:31 NIV
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven,
but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Matthew 12:28 NIV
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons,
then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
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Behold
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Blasphemy against the HS is to attribute to the HS the works of Satan by claiming that Jesus is performing His miracles by the power of the devil.
A Christian can't commit that sin, as Jesus has to be on the earth before the crucifixion when you say that to Him.
Blasphemy OF the Holy Spirit is unbelief, often characterized by willful unbelief.
You find this being committed in Hebrews 10:26
A 3rd way to blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to tell someone they are already saved, already a Christian, when in fact they are not.
So, "universalism" this theology, blasphemes the Holy Spirit everytime someone teaches it.
Lambano
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I prefer Luke's version - "If it is by the Finger of God, that I drive out demons, then the Kingdom of God has come upon you". I love the imagery of God flicking away a demon like a pesky little gnat. God giving the demons the finger.
But for whatever reason, Luke decoupled casting out demons (Luke 11:20) from blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Luke 12:10). Not sure why Jesus decided to put in the blasphemy lesson into a beatitudes-type sermon. Or why Luke decided to present it that way.
quietthinker
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When we choose not to hear the convicting/ enlightening voice of the Spirit we effectively cut off the only clear means of communication that saves us.That was so good!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
When my spirit became Born Again and I was saved from eternal damnation, after being alienated from the Spirit of God for over 30 years......I had a huge heart revelation to my spirit , it was supernaturally birthed......therefore I could never reject the testimony from the Living Spirit that he testified with my spirit that I am Gods child, Jesus paid the price for me, therefore if I did reject that truth...I believe that would be blasphemy....there is no get out of God card once one has been supernaturally birthed.
As soon as I became Born Again God revealed his heart to me in another situation...and boy again that also was a mind blowing revelation...
It scared me and I couldn’t believe it in my heart, it blew my mind and overwhelmed my heart as well as my human understanding of it all...was I blasphemous God because I didn’t believe what he revealed to my heart NO!...I’ve had to walk in faith and trust, along the way he showed me it truly came from him....33 yrs on...still waiting for it to come to fruition and I now know in my heart that it will 100%.
Would it be blasphemy if I told him to go away ,now....good grief I wouldn’t dare, I’m shuddering at the mere thought of it...I dread to think what would happen to me if I did that.
I’m in the will of the Father, called by him to do his will...which obviously has to be understood, all my understanding comes from the power within me, the Living Holy Spirit is my teacher/ helper and guide.
Just posted what was on my heart...
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