I am not teaching any religion. I’m teaching what happened in the book of acts in the Bible. Everybody else has to lineup with the book of acts. So do you.
What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?
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If you are a Trinitarian, then you are of the pope, correct? That is like comparing anybody that believes the events of book of acts with some kook in latter times. You make no sense.
The only way you can individualize yourself from some group that believes like you do is to throw away your Bible. And I know you don’t want to do that. Unfortunately, for you, you have cousins that agree with some of your ideas. People like Harold camping, etc.
Behold
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You are teaching the Pentecostal version of the Acts of the Apostles.
Its false.
And by the way, Paul is in there, and He was born again, and never spoke with "unknown tongues". or any Tongues at that time.
If you read Acts 8, You'll find that the Eunuch was born again and didnt speak with "Unknown tongues"., or any.
So, that is now another case, in ACTS...... of : "didnt speak with tongues'...and yet they were born again.
Listen... @Truther ...
I realize that if you were to actually realize what im showing you about JESUS, and the 11 Apostles and the Eunuch.... and Paul.. then your entire foundation of "what is Christianity", is going to burn.
It takes a rare person to realize that they are giving their lives to a cult teaching... and then get out of it.
That is so very hard... not many can deal with it.
So, You are not able to COMPUTE, what im showing you, because you are too far gone into this situation you have been taught for so long.
So, the reason im bumping you, is not for you.
Its for others who will read the verses ive posted......like John 20:22, and Acts 8:26, and of course Paul's conversion, and they can look it up along with Jesus's Baptism.... and they will see that many times believers have no "experience" when they receive the Holy Spirit, or are baptized in Him.
THey will SEE, ... and They get to study and find out, and learn some bible.... or they can just not care., and move on.
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Webers_Home
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It's my understanding that an unknown tongue is a real-life language other
than your native language.
For example my native language is English. Were my speech to come out in
Swahili, that would be, for me, an unknown tongue, i.e. a language with
which I am unfamiliar.
Well; I think in English, I speak with English, I pray in English, my
Bibles are printed in English, and I've spent the larger part of my life with
people who understand English. For me, the gift of tongues would gather
dust because I have no need of it. And anyway, God is in charge of who
gets what.
● 1Cor 12:11 . . But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing
to each one individually just as He wills.
● 1Cor 12:28-30 . . And God hath set some in the church, first apostles,
secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of
healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
. . Are all apostles? are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of
miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all
interpret?
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Webers_Home
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Considering the gravity of this matter, everyone really ought to seek a way
to assure themselves they have the Spirit.
● Rom 8:9 . .You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the
Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit
of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
The gift of tongues isn't a sure-fire reliable way to assure one's self because
according to 1Cor 12:28-30 not everyone has it.
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You do not have to be a Pentecostal to obey Acts 2:38. As a matter of fact, anybody that obeys Acts 2:38 are not necessarily called Pentecostal doctrine adherents but are of the church of 3000 at Pentecost. There is truly only one church. That is the church in Acts chapter 2. That is who I am affiliated with. Anybody that agrees with that Finding can also be of the church of 3000 at Pentecost.
If anyone rejects being of the church of 3000 at Pentecost, they are in some silly organization of belief systems of the thousands that have rejected Acts 2:38.
Paul said that all should speak in unknown tongues. He wished that all would speak in unknown tongues, but rather that they prophesy. That is the second level of speaking in tongues. God wants an interpretation now and then.
Some people may have it and not practice it. I went through a dry spell for years and then prayed through in 1988 when that guy was preaching that Jesus would come in Rosh Hashanah in September 1988 it scared us all. I remember I spent several years not practicing tongues. But I had the Holy Ghost. Sometimes we just don’t see it as a priority.
Webers_Home
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Quite a few Christians don't see the gift of tongues as a priority because
according to 1Cor 12:11 and 1Cor 12:28-30 not everyone has it.
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Behold
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Acts 2:28, is not Paul's Gospel.
You dont have to be a Pentecostal to learn this, but you do have to be a real student of the NT, to learn it.
Tongues is not the singular thing mentioned in listed passages.
Even you understand that the tongues at Pentecost were different, correct?
Do you think the Samaritans needed interpretation when they received the Spirit?
Or those in the house of Cornelius? The 12 at Ephesus? The Apostle Paul (Saul) with Ananias?
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That is because they don’t understand the difference between chapter 12 and chapter 14. Chapter 12 teaches that it is a division of gifts according to the will of God as God desires for people to have these particular gifts. Chapter 14 is about something taught that all have to have. Paul said he would that all speak with (unknown)tongues. He doesn’t say that in chapter 12. That’s comparing to apples to oranges.
Webers_Home
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There are lots of other spiritual gifts besides tongues. For example some
folks have an aptitude for analyzing and debunking cults like Jehovah's
Witnesses and Mormons.
And there are some very good at counseling. And I've heard there are
Christian psychologists too.
Most folks are uncomfortable visiting their church's handicapped members
and shut-ins but if that's your bag, and there's a need, then go for it.
Administration is another very useful gift. Joseph had that one and it came
in very handy at just the right time.
A useful rule of thumb for identifying one's own particular gift is to ask: Was
I any good at this before? Or: is there something that now appeals to you but
was uninteresting in the past? Well if of a sudden you're very drawn to something
that before now you had no interest, then that just might be your gift.
Anyway there's any number of spiritual enablements far more useful in the
service of God than tongues.
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There are lots of other spiritual gifts besides tongues. For example some
folks have an aptitude for analyzing and debunking cults like Jehovah's
Witnesses and Mormons.
And there are some very good at counseling. And I've heard there are
Christian psychologists too.
Most folks are uncomfortable visiting their church's handicapped members
and shut-ins but if that's your bag, and there's a need, then go for it.
Administration is another very useful gift. Joseph had that one and it came
in very handy at just the right time.
A useful rule of thumb for identifying one's own particular gift is to ask: Was
I any good at this before? Or: is there something that now appeals to you but
was uninteresting in the past? Well if of a sudden you're very drawn to something
that before now you had no interest, then that just might be your gift.
Anyway there's any number of spiritual enablements far more useful in the
service of God than tongues.
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There are many gifts and I agree. But the main gifts are the nine gifts of the spirit and first Corinthians chapter 12, and the other minor gifts are generally called ministration gifts. The problem that I have with debates are when two wrongs don’t make a right. For instance, a Trinitarian person that specializes in debating Jehovah witnesses . They’re both wrong so nobody really wins.
Webers_Home
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Prayer in a tongue is a waste of motion; here's why
● Rom 8:26 . . The Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what
we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans
that words cannot express.
Intercession in that case can be thought of as assistance with an area of
expertise in which mortal men are amateurs. In other words; it's a silent,
invisible, activity whereby the Spirit moderates our prayers and revises them
as need requires so as to make them acceptable to God's ears.
Here's another angle:
● Rom 8:34 . .Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died? -- more
than that, who was raised to life, is at the right hand of God, and is also
interceding for us?
In that respect: intercession is prayer, petition, or entreaty in favor of
another by an advocate.
Those two passages reveal that two of the most powerful influences in
Heaven are kept busy supporting the folks who've entrusted their safety to
Christ's crucifixion-- a remarkable difference between sinners who at one
time were alienated from God and sinners now reconciled with God. And
those two powerful influences are doing what they do without requiring a
fee, i.e. they are not on retainer nor do they charge by the hour nor is theirs
a limited-time offer.
● Heb 7:24-25 . .Because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.
Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him,
because he always lives to intercede for them.
* I was born, baptized, and raised a Roman Catholic. For a long time I was
convinced the Church's hierarchy would stand in my defense when the time
came. I had no clue, none at all, that there was a powerful Heavenly tag
team in the wings wanting to do that very thing for me-- the quality of their
association with God far exceeding the quality of every man of the cloth on
earth. How does one even begin to comprehend the magnitude of such a
remarkable benefit?
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Prayer in a tongue is a waste of motion; here's why
● Rom 8:26 . . The Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what
we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans
that words cannot express.
Intercession in that case can be thought of as assistance with an area of
expertise in which mortal men are amateurs. In other words; it's a silent,
invisible, activity whereby the Spirit moderates our prayers and revises them
as need requires so as to make them acceptable to God's ears.
Here's another angle:
● Rom 8:34 . .Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died? -- more
than that, who was raised to life, is at the right hand of God, and is also
interceding for us?
In that respect: intercession is prayer, petition, or entreaty in favor of
another by an advocate.
Those two passages reveal that two of the most powerful influences in
Heaven are kept busy supporting the folks who've entrusted their safety to
Christ's crucifixion-- a remarkable difference between sinners who at one
time were alienated from God and sinners now reconciled with God. And
those two powerful influences are doing what they do without requiring a
fee, i.e. they are not on retainer nor do they charge by the hour nor is theirs
a limited-time offer.
● Heb 7:24-25 . .Because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.
Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him,
because he always lives to intercede for them.
* I was born, baptized, and raised a Roman Catholic. For a long time I was
convinced the Church's hierarchy would stand in my defense when the time
came. I had no clue, none at all, that there was a powerful Heavenly tag
team in the wings wanting to do that very thing for me-- the quality of their
association with God far exceeding the quality of every man of the cloth on
earth. How does one even begin to comprehend the magnitude of such a
remarkable benefit?
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According to Paul, it has great benefit to pray or speak in an unknown tongue.
2 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God, for in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
That’s why.
the magnify and praise is the result of spontaneous interpretation of the tongues.
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