What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

[Behold]

You cannot give your faith to God, you have none,

That is HYPER CALVINISM.. theology you are repeating.

Notice instead, what Paul teaches the Romans..

"""""""according as God hath dealt to every MAN (person) the measure of faith."""


See, Calvin denies this, and so do you, as you are a Calvinist.

Brightframe says the same thing.
Ronald Nolette another Calvinism victim, says the same as you.

Its CALVINISM, "Hyper" that teaches that God gives you faith, and you have none.

Christianity teaches that God accepts YOUR FAITH..........because its YOURS.....

"""""""according as God hath dealt to every man (person) the measure of faith.""""


Everyone can believe... Everyone has faith.

Why are 2 Billion Muslims, going to hell?

Because John 3:36, says they wont put THEIR FAITH in Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

That is HYPER CALVINISM.. theology you are repeating.

Notice instead, what Paul teaches the Romans..

"""""""according as God hath dealt to every MAN (person) the measure of faith."""


See, Calvin denies this, and so do you, as you are a Calvinist.

Brightframe says the same thing.
Ronald Nolette another Calvinism, say the same as you.

Its CALVINISM, "Hyper" that teaches that God gives you faith, and you have none.

Christianity teaches that God accepts YOUR FAITH..........because its YOURS.....

"""""""according as God hath dealt to every man (person) the measure of faith.""""


Everyone can believe... Everyone has faith.

Why are 2 Billion Muslims, going to hell?

Because John 3:36, says they wont put THEIR FAITH in Christ.

No it’s not, Faith is a gift from God, you cannot put any faith or trust or belief in God,..not until he gifts us the supernatural faith delivered to our heart / spirit, then we know him in our spirit/ heart.

You teach that you work to know God ,you cannot know God not until he decides to make himself known to us, via His Living Holy Spirit..you must be birthed by the Living Holy Spirit...

We put our faith in God when we know him in spirit and in truth..which comes by divine heart revelation.

I speak out the word of God..not hyper Calvinism...only you don’t understand what is being spoken out by Gods Living witness, from the mouth of his child.

No one has faith to believe in the Spirit Of God...not one.

Tell me how you knew/had the faith to know that God is a Living Spirit @Behold ?..tell me how you knew/had the faith to believe that God was a Living Spirit before you were Born Again?

Also @Behold ..tell me how you knew / had the faith to know that Christ died and was resurrected in Spirit,tell me how you knew that before you became Born Again?

Tell me how you knew / had the faith to know that Jesus was the Son Of God, before you became Born Again?

You need more than the written word to know all of this,

 

[Truther]

Webers_Home said:
How would they of the circumcision know Cornelius' household was praising
God unless the tongues they spoke were real-life foreign languages?

Perhaps this is the problem here.
I think Weber... assumes that the outpouring at the house of Cornelius was identical to the outpouring at Pentecost.
The type of tongues in use at the outpouring at Pentecost was an Evangelistic language. #5 in the list below.
I think the outpouring at the house of Cornelius was a Personal prayer language. #1 in the list below.
The tongues they were speaking was evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. IMHO

Five Uses of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language (speaking to God) See Acts 1:5, 1 Corinthians 14:2 and Acts 19:6
2) Intercessory prayer language (prayer in the Spirit) See Romans 8:26
3) Congregational message (preferably with interpretation) 1 Corinthians 14
4) Worship language (singing in tongues) See 1 Corinthians 14:15
5) Evangelistic language (language of the hearers) Like the outpouring at Pentecost. See Acts 2

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You are correct. He does not understand the difference between unknown tongues as evidence from known tongues as various known languages. He thinks tongues is tongues.

 

[Truther]

I would submit that the tongues spoken at Pentecost were not the same as the gift of tongues (with interpretation) listed in 1 Cor 12.

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Indeed, they are the same as chapter 12. They are not the same as chapter 14 though. Unknown tongues is the evidence to a person that they have received the Holy Spirit. It is also evidence to those around them that they have the Holy Spirit. Known tongues is an evangelistic tool that comes with the Holy Spirit. It’s a step above.
Interpretation of tongues, one of the nine gifts, is to accompany, unknown tongues. This is also found in chapter 14. If there are known languages spoken then no interpretation is needed.

 

[Behold]

Unknown tongues is the evidence to a person that they have received the Holy Spirit.

Actually that is not true... that is "Charismatic//Pentecostal "..... theology.
That is Assembly of God, and United Pentecostal... and similar Pentecostal theology, which is always into "tongues" while not understanding it.

Let me show you 11 Apostles who received the HOLY Spirit, and none of them spoke with "unknown Tongues"..

If you own a bible, turn to John 20:22, and read it.

Jesus initially, for the fist time... gives the Holy Spirit to His 11 Apostles.., and NONE of them "spoke with an unknown tongue".
Not one.
And not one of them was WATER BAPTIZED at that time, that Jesus gave them the HOLY SPIRIT>.
So, the NT ends all silly nonsense related to fake false teaching about : ""when you get it."

You could even read where the Holy Spirit was given to Jesus, when He was water baptized, and He also didnt speak with an "unknown tongue.:"

Hello?
Is anyone paying attention?

"mic check"....

Reader,

There is so much BALONY and FAKERY and just nonsense, related to how some "christian" denominations make stuff up, about "tongues" so that they can fool people who get caught up in "mystical" thinking... which allows them to be easily deceived.

 

[Truther]

Actually that is not true... that is "Charismatic//Pentecostal "..... theology.
That is Assembly of God, and United Pentecostal... and similar Pentecostal theology, which is always into "tongues" while not understanding it.

Let me show you 11 Apostles who received the HOLY Spirit, and none of them spokes with "unknown Tongues"..

If you own a bible, turn to John 20:22, and read it.

Jesus initially, for the fist time... gives the Holy Spirit to His 11 Apostles.., and NONE of them "spoke with an unknown tongue".
Not one.

So, the NT ends all silly nonsense related to fake false teaching about : ""when you get it."

You could even read where the Holy Spirit was given to Jesus, when He was water baptized, and He also didnt speak with an unknown tongues.

There is so much BALONY and FAKERY and just nonsense, related to how some "christian" denominations make stuff up, about "tongues" so that they can fool people who get caught up in "mystical" thinking... which allows them to be easily deceived.

Actually, it is true. People tell you you have the Holy Ghost without you or them having any type of evidence that you have received it. Some people will believe anything. I really would rather know with evidence that I have it then to be told, I have it and not have it. Isaiah said that they would speak in tongues. Joel said that they would. Peter said this is that which was prophesied. Modern theologians say no thanks.

 

[St. SteVen]

Indeed, they are the same as chapter 12. They are not the same as chapter 14 though. Unknown tongues is the evidence to a person that they have received the Holy Spirit. It is also evidence to those around them that they have the Holy Spirit. Known tongues is an evangelistic tool that comes with the Holy Spirit. It’s a step above.
Interpretation of tongues, one of the nine gifts, is to accompany, unknown tongues. This is also found in chapter 14. If there are known languages spoken then no interpretation is needed.

Honestly, I have never understood this distinguishing between known and unknown tongues. ???
It makes no sense to me. Could you explain the importance? Thanks.

I can't agree (at face value) that the tongues at Pentecost were the gift of tongues in 1 Cor 12.
That makes no sense to me. If you could explain how you arrived at that conclusion. Thanks.

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[Truther]

1 Cor 14
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.


No thanks?

 

[Behold]

Actually, it is true

YOu didnt open the bible and read that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit for the first time...to the 11 Apostles.

NONE of them "spoke in an unknown tongue" and none of them was water baptized.

I realize that you dont care, and you just want to Sell some Pentecostal concepts, ..but, if you find that you do care to know some truth about this and not just sell what you are selling instead then read John 20:22, and notice what i told you. @Truther

 

[Truther]

Honestly, I have never understood this distinguishing between known and unknown tongues. ???
It makes no sense to me. Could you explain the importance? Thanks.

I can't agree (at face value) that the tongues at Pentecost were the gift of tongues in 1 Cor 12.
That makes no sense to me. If you could explain how you arrived at that conclusion. Thanks.

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Lesson 7- Page 1

I created a YouTube channel, and this page can help you to understand how it differs between the nine gifts of the spirit and the unknown tongues that were supported by paul two chapters later.

 

[Truther]

YOu didnt open the bible and read that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit for the first time...to the 11 Apostles.

NONE of them "spoke in an unknown tongue" and none of them was water baptized.

I realize that you dont care, and you just want to Sell some Pentecostal concepts, ..but, if you find that you do care to know some truth about this and not just sell what you are selling instead then read John 20:22, and notice what i told you. @Truther

Correct, none of them spoke in an unknown tongue. They spoke in various known languages, which is one of the nine gifts of the Holy Ghost. Here is a video that helps you to understand that. This has no bearing on chapter 14 when paul explains unknown tongues.
Lesson 7- Page 1

 

[St. SteVen]

Actually, it is true. People tell you you have the Holy Ghost without you or them having any type of evidence that you have received it. Some people will believe anything. I really would rather know with evidence that I have it then to be told, I have it and not have it. Isaiah said that they would speak in tongues. Joel said that they would. Peter said this is that which was prophesied. Modern theologians say no thanks.

It seems to me that we need to distinguish between the indwelling Spirit (that comes to all believers) and the subsequent experience of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. Evidence of the indwelling Spirit would be the transformed life of the believer. A repentant lifestyle.

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[Behold]

1 Cor 14
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

That is Paul, AFTER Jesus is in Heaven.

And he is not talking about an "unknown tongue" that you say is received when you are saved.

Paul is talking about His Gift of Tongues, and He's using it ...

Notice... "with men of other tongues"............so "other tongues" is other Languages.........not "unknown".. .but "KNOWN"., and they are be spoken.

See, just READ carefully.

 

[Truther]

I am not trying to sell Penecostal concepts, I’m trying to explain first century church concepts. Vast difference.

 

[Behold]

Correct, none of them spoke in an unknown tongue. They spoke in various known languages,

And when the 11 Apostles received the Holy Spirit, none of then spoke with any "tongues'... at all.
And i dont need your video, as look what its done to you.

 

[Truther]

It seems to me that we need to distinguish between the indwelling Spirit (that comes to all believers) and the subsequent experience of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. Evidence of the indwelling Spirit would be the transformed life of the believer. A repentant lifestyle.

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Yes, you are right. Whether or not you speak an unknown tongues or various known languages that are supernaturally gifted. Either one is evidence that you have the Holy Ghost. Having none of them is no evidence that you have the Holy Ghost.

 

[Behold]

I am not trying to sell Penecostal concepts, I’m trying to explain first century church concepts. Vast difference.

No, you are selling 1950's Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts, Assembly of God, "handbook on tongues".

 

[Truther]

That is Paul, AFTER Jesus is in Heaven.

And he is not talking about an "unknown tongue" that you say is received when you are saved.

Paul is talking about His Gift of Tongues, and He's using it ...

Notice... "with men of other tongues"............so "other tongues" is other Languages.........not "unknown".. .but "KNOWN"., and they are be spoken.

See, just READ carefully.

In chapter 14 paul is saying that he that speaks in an unknown tongue, which is a tongue, not known to anyone, speaks not onto men but unto God. You should try speaking to God in unknown tongues sometime.

 

[Truther]

No, you are selling 1950's Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts, Assembly of God, "handbook on tongues".

Throw out the baby with the bathwater?

 

[Truther]

And when the 11 Apostles received the Holy Spirit, none of then spoke with any "tongues'... at all.
And i dont need your video, as look what its done to you.

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