Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Behold]

It’s odd to argue men should be solely in power so that good men can beat up bad men who beat up their wives and kids because the wife and kids are being oppressed by their controlling husbands….

Real Christians, do not kneel before the alter of secular social justice propaganda.

Consider Donald Trump.

Nearly 50% of his New Government Cabinet choices are Women.

Also... 2x Now, he has won the Presidency in the USA, and both times a woman ran his campaign.
When he was being crucified, earlier this Year by the weaponization of the American Legal system that not only tried to bankrupt him, but tried to put Him in Prison to die there... and His Lead Lawyer, is a woman.

So, it is true that you can find in America, some males who will never appreciate the unique and special abilities of a woman, beyond the clique'.. kitchen and the bedroom....but, that is not the rule.. that is just a part of the culture, ... only a part.

How many women are in USA Government positions as Senators, Congresswomen, ect?
Biden's VP is a WOMAN

The Litmus test that proves that women are given equal opportunity, is when you discover how many Higher Education Institutions have a Woman as their President.
Or, just turn on your TV, and look at any NEWS MEDIA SHow... and you'll note that its more women as the talking heads, then men.

Look at this Forum.
It has more women as a part of the Elite team, including Mods and Admin, then males.

 

[Skovand]

Real Christians, do not kneel before the alter of secular social justice propaganda.

Consider Donald Trump.

Nearly 50% of his New Government Cabinet choices are Women.

Also... 2x Now, he has won the Presidency in the USA, and both times a woman ran his campaign.
When he was being crucified, earlier this Year by the weaponization of the American Legal system that not only tried to bankrupt him, but tried to put Him in Prison to die there... and His Lead Lawyer, is a woman.

So, it is true that you can find in America, some males who will never appreciate the unique and special abilities of a woman, beyond the clique'.. kitchen and the bedroom....but, that is not the rule.. that is just a part of the culture, ... only a part.

How many women are in USA Government positions as Senators, Congresswomen, ect?
Biden's VP is a WOMAN

The Litmus test that proves that women are given equal opportunity, is when you discover how many Higher Education Institutions have a Woman as their President.
Or, just turn on your TV, and look at any NEWS MEDIA SHow... and you'll note that its more women as the talking heads, then men.

Look at this Forum.
It has more women as a part of the Elite team, including Mods and Admin, then males.

I wonder if there are any experts in this subject who’s actually studying what all the numbers come out to…….
Also having a diverse group of people does not mean they are all equally paid and so on. It’s way more than just what you tossed out. It’s definitely not related to this forum lol. Its also following trends for decades.

 

[Mink57]

Also the gap between men and women going to college is rather fairly new. Was not that long ago in America that men far outnumbered women. But as soon as we get out of first world modern America, those stats change. Throughout the Middle East women can’t even go outside at night, or drive a car and most don’t even finish 6 years of school in some places. Feminism is not just for Americans.

Oh, I get that! There are STILL forced marriages of girls as young as 10 overseas!! And FGM is practiced WIDELY.

Still too much abuse against women, and feminism wants to eliminate that!

 

[Wrangler]

FGM is practiced WIDELY.

This is something I am genuinely surprised feminists worldwide don’t march in the streets protesting, petition sanctions and boycotts against such countries.

I believe mutilation is a misnomer; it’s more precisely an amputation of bodily function. Its barbaric and it should not be accepted in the name of cultural sensitivity.

 

[Wrangler]

Speaking of equality, 8 women are on the Vietnam wall out of 58,267. Feminist math?

 

[Mink57]

@Mink57

Thanks for the compliment earlier. You said something like if men were more like Jesus we wouldn't need feminism or respect in marriage would be easier.

I agree with both. My question to you is this: has feminism caused women to push to be better in their overall character than men and treat others as they wish to be treated?

I think feminism is a response to how men have treated women. The overall idea is to 'do unto others.' Have men treated women the way THEY would want women to treat them?

No one likes to be told what to do, Wynona. Male or female. A man who has aspirations to be an artist wouldn't like it if someone - male or female -- came along and told him, "Artist? Nope. You're ONLY allowed to be a brick-layer. Because you're a MAN, you're supposed to ONLY do "manly" jobs!"

I believe feminism is mainly a rejection of patriarchy. One of my biggest issues with the movement is that it's so focused on attacking tradition and patriarchy that it fails to replace it with anything half as good or better.

WHICH 'tradition'? What YOU'RE talking about is tradition that's pretty recent in human history. PLUS, the tradition you're talking about is peculiar to certain CULTURES. Don't forget, the early American Colonists tried to convert the Native Americans from THEIR traditions to European traditions.

Patriarchy hasn't been in existence for ALL of human history. You said that yourself. While it currently exists in MUCH of the world, some parts of the world have resisted. Thank goodness.

I have seen a lot of women wanting to compete down rather than up with men.

"I can sleep around casually and brag about it just like men do!"

"I can be rude and get my way! Male bosses are respected for it, why can't I?"

"I should be free to wear no shirt in public! Its not fair if men can do it!"

Why are the messages from feminists so focused on getting women to imitate low tier male behaviour just because they percieve men as getting a free pass?

Because for MANY years, so many men behaved on the 'low tier' that they DID get a 'free pass'! While SOME men respect women who don't sleep around, and save themselves for marriage, other men refer to THOSE women as 'prudes'. Women are either prudes or sluts. And the men? Yet, you know darn well that if a man sleeps around, he's REVERED by his male counterparts. And after all, HOW does a woman know IF a MAN is a virgin?

As for wearing no shirt in public, you also know that there are tribes where women do NOT wear shirts in public. Once again, this is CULTURAL. Heck, Adam and Eve were both NAKED and "felt no shame" BEFORE the fall.

This is why fairness is not some virtue that needs to be chased at all costs. Its unfair that more men commit suicide than women. The answer isn't to call suicide good.

The idea that more men commit suicide than women isn't about fairness. We culture men differently than women. But that's not WOMEN'S fault! That's PATRIARCHY'S fault! Feminism didn't teach men they're not supposed to cry; that's what patriarchy did! Feminism didn't teach men, "You as a man MUST be in charge at all times, even if you don't want to"; that's what PATRIARCHY teaches.

There are plenty of things in the world that are unfair but it would cause even more harm to try and change them than to leave it alone.

Maybe. But I don't think Patriarchy is ONE of them.

 

[Mink57]

This is something I am genuinely surprised feminists worldwide don’t march in the streets protesting, petition sanctions and boycotts against such countries.

I believe mutilation is a misnomer; it’s more precisely an amputation of bodily function. Its barbaric and it should not be accepted in the name of cultural sensitivity.

Actually, international efforts to halt this practice have been going on since the 1970's. And even though the practice has been outlawed on paper in many countries, the practice itself still goes on...with government doing very little to uphold the laws.

 

[Behold]

I wonder if there are any experts in this subject who’s actually studying what all the numbers come out to…….
Also having a diverse group of people does not mean they are all equally paid and so on. It’s way more than just what you tossed out. It’s definitely not related to this forum lol. Its also following trends for decades.

Well, there is this narrow minded, redundant, ill informed "talking point" that wants to pretend that there is a glass ceiling, and all women in the USA are getting bruised by it, and stranded.
That's just not the case in '2024.

Everyone has equal opportunity in the USA, to achieve all they want to earn and become by hard diligent work.

So, this ignorant "but we are entitled" mentality, that wants to argue, is nothing more.

 

[Skovand]

Well, there is this narrow minded, redundant, ill informed "talking point" that wants to pretend that there is a glass ceiling, and all women in the USA are getting bruised by it, and stranded.
That's just not the case in '2024.

Everyone has equal opportunity in the USA, to achieve all they want to earn and become by hard diligent work.

So, this ignorant "but we are entitled" mentality, that wants to argue, is nothing more.

It’s almost as if you are trying to say the very thing that the broadest and most open of minds and hearts exclaim about the marginalized communities in America……

 

[Wynona]

Because for MANY years, so many men behaved on the 'low tier' that they DID get a 'free pass'! While SOME men respect women who don't sleep around, and save themselves for marriage, other men refer to THOSE women as 'prudes'. Women are either prudes or sluts. And the men? Yet, you know darn well that if a man sleeps around, he's REVERED by his male counterparts. And after all, HOW does a woman know IF a MAN is a virgin?

The point is that casual hookups are bad when both men and women engage and that feminism teaches women to mimick toxic behavior in the name of empowerment and fairness.

A man following God is not a whoremonger. Period.

A woman following God will keep herself even if she's labeled a "prude".

That never made sense to me anyway. In a marriage, you have all the time in the world to learn how to get better at sex with the spouse you chose. Not sure why men or women get pressured to prove a point by sleeping around.

Freedom of choice and fairness are perks in a modern world but not virtues to pursue at all cost. If women pursue casual sex in the name of fairness and freedom, they are actually often paying a heavier price: abortion, single motherhood, loss of reputation and dating prospects, etc. STD's go to both men and women. These are all cruel consequences for women who want to sleep around.

No pro-woman movement should promote that lifestyle. Having the right to eat dog crap does not make eating dog crap a good thing that ought to be promoted.

 

[Behold]

It’s almost as if you are trying to say the very thing that the broadest and most open of minds and hearts exclaim about the marginalized communities in America……

Social Justice warriors are in the wrong fight.

 

[Mink57]

Real Christians, do not kneel before the alter of secular social justice propaganda.

Consider Donald Trump.

Nearly 50% of his New Government Cabinet choices are Women.

Also... 2x Now, he has won the Presidency in the USA, and both times a woman ran his campaign.
When he was being crucified, earlier this Year by the weaponization of the American Legal system that not only tried to bankrupt him, but tried to put Him in Prison to die there... and His Lead Lawyer, is a woman.

So, it is true that you can find in America, some males who will never appreciate the unique and special abilities of a woman, beyond the clique'.. kitchen and the bedroom....but, that is not the rule.. that is just a part of the culture, ... only a part.

How many women are in USA Government positions as Senators, Congresswomen, ect?
Biden's VP is a WOMAN

The Litmus test that proves that women are given equal opportunity, is when you discover how many Higher Education Institutions have a Woman as their President.
Or, just turn on your TV, and look at any NEWS MEDIA SHow... and you'll note that its more women as the talking heads, then men.

Look at this Forum.
It has more women as a part of the Elite team, including Mods and Admin, then males.

In the United States only one QUARTER of university presidents are female. The themes of gender-based barriers include male organizational culture, gender stereotypes, work-life conflict, scrutiny, and leadership perceptions identified by women presidents during their interviews are aligned to the existing literature on the kinds of barriers women leaders experience on their leadership journey. Thus, women presidents are more likely to experience these specific gender-based barriers on their leadership journey or within their presidency

While laws have been enacted to allow women to pursue various higher career paths, it doesn't mean that people's attitudes automatically changed with the law. So even though a quarter of university presidents are women, those women didn't get to those positions without facing gender bias not only on their professional journey but continue to face more scrutiny than a man would face, once they secure a higher position.

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1359412.pdf

 

[Wrangler]

I think feminism is a response to how men have treated women.

There you go again, not taking any responsibility. Evil for evil is unbiblical.

That you remain bitter about what was done centuries ago poisons your soul. Your collectivist mindset ‘identifies’ with a victimized collective that you do not belong to.

Not only do you have hate for men innocent of what was done centuries ago, you embracing victim mentality when you are merely the victim of your own poor choices.

 

[Wrangler]

In the United States only one QUARTER of university presidents are female.

And that number is too high IF merit was the criteria.

 

[Behold]

In the United States only one QUARTER of university presidents are female.

And , Social Justice warriors want it to be 100%, and then they will still whine about it.

See, "social justice" disciples, dont mentally live in the real America, where everyone can own a business, and everyone can earn a college degree and everyone can become whatever they choose to pursue.

So, this "entitlement mentality" that you have, is not your friend, @Mink57

 

[Mink57]

The point is that casual hookups are bad when both men and women engage and that feminism teaches women to mimick toxic behavior in the name of empowerment and fairness.

And what taught men that it's o.k. to engage in casual hookups? Hint: It wasn't feminism.

A man following God is not a whoremonger. Period.

A woman following God will keep herself even if she's labeled a "prude".

Totally agree!

That never made sense to me anyway. In a marriage, you have all the time in the world to learn how to get better at sex with the spouse you chose. Not sure why men or women get pressured to prove a point by sleeping around.

I agree with you here, too! But here's the point; both men and women DO get pressured into sleeping around, and it often happens while they're not even men and women yet. They're still boys and girls.

Remember when the woman who was caught in the very act of adultery was brought to Jesus? What happened to the man who she was caught in adultery with? Jesus only addressed HER, not HIM. Some may see that as Jesus giving the man a 'free pass', and yet Jesus did no such thing.

Freedom of choice and fairness are perks in a modern world but not virtues to pursue at all cost. If women pursue casual sex in the name of fairness and freedom, they are actually often paying a heavier price: abortion, single motherhood, loss of reputation and dating prospects, etc. STD's go to both men and women. These are all cruel consequences for women who want to sleep around.

I agree with SOME of what you say here, but not all of it. A woman can sleep around and NEVER become pregnant. Hence, with birth control being available to most women, they can sleep around all they want and never become pregnant and never face having an abortion and/or single motherhood. But how they can face a loss of reputation is a bit of a sticky wicket. After all, how is anyone going to know if a woman is sleeping around unless she tells others, or other assume she is? Rumors can be spread, even if she kept her legs closed while a man pursued her. So, she can face losing her reputation whether she sleeps around or not.

No pro-woman movement should promote that lifestyle. Having the right to eat dog crap does not make eating dog crap a good thing that ought to be promoted.

Fair enough. But it shouldn't be SOLELY up to the woman to do this. If it is better for a woman to remain chaste until marriage, it should be equally better for a man to remain chaste as well.

 

[Mink57]

There you go again, not taking any responsibility. Evil for evil is unbiblical.

That you remain bitter about what was done centuries ago poisons your soul. Your collectivist mindset ‘identifies’ with a victimized collective that you do not belong to.

Not only do you have hate for men innocent of what was done centuries ago, you embracing victim mentality when you are merely the victim of your own poor choices.

You're a broken record, Wrangler. Not really contributing anything to this thread, save to accuse feminism of being "evil" without anything to back you up.

 

[Mink57]

And that number is too high IF merit was the criteria.

How do you know that ANY female in those positions didn't get there based on their merits?

 

[Mink57]

And , Social Justice warriors want it to be 100%, and then they will still whine about it.

It's not that they want it to be 100%, but that if a woman WANTS to pursue that that avenue, she should be able to do so WITHOUT obstacles such as gender bias. Case in point: If a man wants to strive to become the president of a university (for example) he won't be scrutinized for his leadership abilities because he's a man. However, if a WOMAN wants to pursue the same avenue, her leadership abilities would be questioned on the SOLE POINT of her being a WOMAN. And she may face that at every tier she rises to. I'm sure you've heard how a woman can "sleep her way to the top"...as if her sexuality is the ONLY way she can get ahead in this world.

See, "social justice" disciples, dont mentally live in the real America, where everyone can own a business, and everyone can earn a college degree and everyone can become whatever they choose to pursue.

Real America is not without its prejudices and bias, even though the laws say otherwise. Plenty of laws against discrimination based on gender, religion, race, disabilities are in place. But that doesn't mean that EVERYONE FOLLOWS THE LAW.

So, this "entitlement mentality" that you have, is not your friend, @Mink57

If you believe that because laws state that everyone has these opportunities, that everyone can pursue these opportunities unencumbered by prejudices and stereotypes, then you are being naive.

Discrimination is still ALIVE AND WELL in this supposed 'progressive' country.

And those who discriminate against others are the ones with the 'entitlement mentality'.

 

[Behold]

It's not that they want it to be 100%, but that if a woman WANTS to pursue that that avenue, she should be able to do so WITHOUT obstacles such as gender bias.

Gender Bias is not a reality, in America.
Its just a talking point that keeps social justice warriors up and running.

See, any woman, can become whatever she wants to achieve, in the USA.

She can run a President's Campaign, as 2 different women.. have done this for Donald Trump, and he won both elections.

She can become the President of the USA

She can own an Airline, a Football team.

She can own CNN or FOX News, or a BANK.

She can do whatever she wants to achieve.......in the USA or in ISRAEL., and many other countries.

Where she can't do any of this in in IRAN, or in any muslim owned country, as they dont offer anyone "Human rights"... not men or women.

Thats a fact.