Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[dad]

No. You are pushing Pretrib, yet you do not have a proof-text. Does that not concern you?

I guess that is a tacit admission that your OP went boom

 

[WPM]

I guess that is a tacit admission that your OP went boom

You (and other Premils) have not laid one punch on the Op. You have rather avoided it.

 

[dad]

You (and other Premils) have not laid one punch on the Op. You have rather avoided it.

I addressed it in detail. If I recall most of your imagined support verses were off centre spam.

 

[RLT63]

You (and other Premils) have not laid one punch on the Op. You have rather avoided it.

Is this the only subject you know or have an interest in? You sure do start a lot of threads on it

 

[covenantee]

His covenant is not one that will be broken. The one the prince that is to come in the end confirms (notice that Jesus made the covenant not confirmed it?) will be broken.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many

The grammatical antecedent/referent of "he" is "Messiah the Prince".

Daniel's grammar was flawless nondispensational grammar.

Why would we look to John to do all things we have the whole word of God.

Because, as you should know, John is the only writer to use and describe "antichrist".

Then the Roman people which is the same kingdom that the AntiChrist will head in the end (the people of the prince that will come in the future) will destroy the city (70AD).

Yes, the Roman armies desolated Jerusalem in 70 AD. Matthew 24:15; Luke 21:20

4 "And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.."

Daniel 9:27 Hebrew

"with many a covenant And he shall confirm"

So we have a king in the end here and he stops the daily sacrifices.

Messiah the Prince "caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease" at Calvary.

In other prophetic passages we also learn that he also places the abomination of desolation.

No he doesn't. The abomination of desolation is the armies that desolated Jerusalem. Luke 21:20; Matthew 24:15

What is significant is we have a ruler of the Roman revived empire doing something in the temple area or grounds in the middle of that last seven years.

There is no revived Roman empire. Messiah the Prince was crucified in the midst of the 70th week.

 

[WPM]

I addressed it in detail. If I recall most of your imagined support verses were off centre spam.

Can you give me the post number? I do not recall a detailed rebuttal. This will be the 1st one on this thread.

 

[WPM]

My go to scholars:

"The Christian Church originated in Roman Judea in the first century AD/CE, and the date of Pentecost is considered the 'Birthday of the Church'". RC Sproul


Acts 2. “When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly, there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves. And they rested on each one of them.”

"That is the phenomena that God designed to inaugurate the birth of the church. We are the church. This is our story. This is our history. Now remember, in the first chapter of the Book of Acts, we saw the preparation for the birth of the church. Now as we come into chapter 2, we will experience through the lens of Holy Scripture the actual beginning of the church. In chapter 1, the disciples were waiting for the coming of the Holy Spirit. In chapter 2, He arrives.
In chapter 1, the disciples were equipped for their ministry. In chapter 2, they are empowered for their ministry. In chapter 1, the believers are held back. In chapter 2, they are sent out. Their full resources to declare the gospel message to the ends of the earth are put in place by the arrival of the Holy Spirit, and it is the fulfillment of Acts 1:8. “But you shall receive power. After that, the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you shall be witnesses unto me in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the outermost part of the earth.” John MacArthur


Technically, we can say God's Plan for the redemption of billions that are now in the Body of Christ started in Eden. We will see Adam and Eve and many of their children in heaven; Noah, his sons and many of their decendants too.Then the Chosen Nation, beginning with Abraham and forward all those who lived by faith in the coming Messiah. They all died and went to Paradise and Abraham was waiting for them, greeted them with a hug (Abraham's bosom). These certainly were "branches of the Vine". But not until Jesus came, died and rose; and not until Pentecost came were the Gentiles grafted into that Vine. Prior to that, it was never referred to as the Body of Christ (the Church) and until Christ baptized them with the Holy Spirit. Yes, John referenced the Bride and Bridegroom in John 3, but it was a prophetic utterance of what was coming.
Jesus stated clearly that they did not have the Holy Spirit living in them, that he must leave and then He would send Him on Pentecost: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. JOHN 16:7

I already gave you the evidence. Your beliefs seem to be built on man by the look of it.

 

[dad]

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many

The grammatical antecedent/referent of "he" is "Messiah the Prince".

No, it is he the prince that is to come.

Daniel's grammar was flawless nondispensational grammar.

Applying it wrong has nothing to do with grammar

Because, as you should know, John is the only writer to use and describe "antichrist".

There are many references to and many names for the guy. You should know that

"with many a covenant And he shall confirm"

Messiah the Prince "caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease" at Calvary.

No, He did not cause the daily sacrifices to stop, they went on.

No he doesn't. The abomination of desolation is the armies that desolated Jerusalem. Luke 21:20; Matthew 24:15

No the abomination is something that will be set up in the end by the AntiChrist. From the time it is set up there will be 3 1/2 years till the end

There is no revived Roman empire.

Why would there be we are not under that leader and in that time yet

Messiah the Prince was crucified in the midst of the 70th week.

No, when He returns that ends things.

 

[covenantee]

No, it is he the prince that is to come.

Messiah the Prince came. Did you know?

Applying it wrong has nothing to do with grammar

Correct grammar is essential for correct application.

There are many references to and many names for the guy. You should know that

The only references are in John's epistles. The rest are in the dispen imagination.

No, He did not cause the daily sacrifices to stop, they went on.

They could not save after Calvary.

No the abomination is something that will be set up in the end by the AntiChrist. From the time it is set up there will be 3 1/2 years till the end

The abomination of desolation is clearly identified in Luke 21:20.

Why would there be we are not under that leader and in that time yet

There is no "yet" in the determined fulfilled 70th week.

No, when He returns that ends things.

At Calvary He said "It is finished". What do you think He finished?

 

[dad]

Can you give me the post number? I do not recall a detailed rebuttal. This will be the 1st one on this thread.

No we would have to look it up. Maybe hit us with your best point and see how that floats here

 

[dad]

Messiah the Prince came. Did you know?

Yes and was killed as Daniel said after 69 weeks

Correct grammar is essential for correct application.

Try both

The only references are in John's epistles. The rest are in the dispen imagination.

False, the references to the man of sin are plentiful by many names as you were told. If you don't know where you should not be making a show of debating the issue

They could not save after Calvary.

I got saved after Calvary. So will the trib saints!

The abomination of desolation is clearly identified in Luke 21:20.

And Jesus said it was the one Daniel told us about.

There is no "yet" in the determined fulfilled 70th week.

The last week before the consummation and completion of things could never have been fulfilled. That only happens when Jesus retuurns

At Calvary He said "It is finished". What do you think He finished?

The work of salvation. Not the end of the world.

 

[WPM]

No we would have to look it up. Maybe hit us with your best point and see how that floats here

Lol. I suspected you would not know. Your doctrine has been well and truly exposed. Your rebuttal is non-existent.

 

[covenantee]

Yes and was killed as Daniel said after 69 weeks

Exactly as God planned. Acts 2:23

False, the references to the man of sin are plentiful by many names as you were told. If you don't know where you should not be making a show of debating the issue

Only by John. Not in the dispen imagination.

I got saved after Calvary.

With an animal sacrifice?

And Jesus said it was the one Daniel told us about.

Yes. Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, and Luke 21:20 are inter-corrobative.

The last week before the consummation and completion of things could never have been fulfilled. That only happens when Jesus retuurns

Fulfilled in the glorious, complete, and perfect accomplishments of Christ at Calvary.

The work of salvation. Not the end of the world.

Everything in Daniel 9:24. Accomplished long ago at Calvary. No waiting necessary for the end of the world.

 

[dad]

Exactly as God planned. Acts 2:23

Of course God planned to lay down His life

Only by John. Not in the dispen imagination.

I have to take that to mean you truly are ignorant of the plethora of prophesies about the AC. Pathetic

With an animal sacrifice?

The sacrifices taken away will be the animal sacrifices.

Yes. Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, and Luke 21:20 are all inter-corrobative.

Explain in detail:)

Fulfilled in the glorious, complete, and perfect accomplishments of Christ at Calvary.

Dan 9 will only be fulfilled when He returns.

Everything in Daniel 9:24. Accomplished long ago at Calvary. No waiting necessary for the end of the world.

We will disagree then

 

[covenantee]

I have to take that to mean you truly are ignorant of the plethora of prophesies about the AC. Pathetic

Quote any verse containing the word "antichrist" outside of John's epistles.

The sacrifices taken away will be the animal sacrifices.

So you sacrificed an animal for your salvation?

Explain in detail:)

Daniel and Matthew refer to the abomination of desolation. Luke identifies it as the armies which desolated Jerusalem.

Dan 9 will only be fulfilled when He returns.

It's been and will be fulfilled for everyone who has received and will receive Christ.

We will disagree then

OK.

 

[dad]

Quote any verse containing the word "antichrist" outside of John's epistles.

Jesus has many names too. If we were to say Emanuel, or the Rose of Sharon, or etc that is OK. The Prince of Peace. The Son of God. Etc. If John did not use all those names in some verse does that mean we would not know who he was talking about?

So you sacrificed an animal for your salvation?

The daily sacrifices will be blasphemy. The Lamb of God already came and died for us. But they will be doing those again. Not me. Israel. Obviously. The AntiChrist will stop them in the midst of that last seven years.

Daniel and Matthew refer to the abomination of desolation. Luke identifies it as the armies which desolated Jerusalem.

No. Luke does not.

It's been and will be fulfilled for everyone who has received and will receive Christ.

Not interested in arguing. There are many prophesies yet to be fulfilled. Period

 

[RLT63]

Jesus has many names too. If we were to say Emanuel, or the Rose of Sharon, or etc that is OK. The Prince of Peace. The Son of God. Etc. If John did not use all those names in some verse does that mean we would not know who he was talking about?

The daily sacrifices will be blasphemy. The Lamb of God already came and died for us. But they will be doing those again. Not me. Israel. Obviously. The AntiChrist will stop them in the midst of that last seven years.

No. Luke does not.describe the

Not interested in arguing. There are many prophesies yet to be fulfilled. Period

I agree, Luke does not describe the abomination of desolation like that. What do you believe that it is?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I already gave you the evidence. Your beliefs seem to be built on man by the look of it.

Well, I mainly rely in the Holy Spirit to discern scripture. But some scholars, who know a hundred times more than I, are helpful as a resource. I respect them, not always in 100% agreement, but they certainly have spent decades ironing out these doctrines. Mysteries are still unsolved because "we know in part".
So I am currently spiritually equipped with the assistance of the Holy Spirit to guide me through the knowledge and wisdom of the scriptures and life itself. He has confirmed our relationship numerous times in the past 34 years." All scripture is spiritually discerned".
Were you baptized by the Holy Spirit? It is really a fascinating and enlightening experience! He helps us to discern scripture. Without Him, you will only have a superficial understanding and likely follow after false doctrines.
Ask for the Holy Spirit. Have spirit-filled pastor or elders lay there hands on you.m to receive Him. Happy trails.

 

[WPM]

Well, I mainly rely in the Holy Spirit to discern scripture. But some scholars, who know a hundred times more than I, are helpful as a resource. I respect them, not always in 100% agreement, but they certainly have spent decades ironing out these doctrines. Mysteries are still unsolved because "we know in part".
So I am currently spiritually equipped with the assistance of the Holy Spirit to guide me through the knowledge and wisdom of the scriptures and life itself. He has confirmed our relationship numerous times in the past 34 years." All scripture is spiritually discerned".
Were you baptized by the Holy Spirit? It is really a fascinating and enlightening experience! He helps us to discern scripture. Without Him, you will only have a superficial understanding and likely follow after false doctrines.
Ask for the Holy Spirit. Have spirit-filled pastor or elders lay there hands on you.m to receive Him. Happy trails.

I understand. None of these men were Pretrib.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus has many names too. If we were to say Emanuel, or the Rose of Sharon, or etc that is OK. The Prince of Peace. The Son of God. Etc. If John did not use all those names in some verse does that mean we would not know who he was talking about?

There is never any doubt as to Whom the various descriptors of Jesus are referring to.

Conversely, dispen believes it can hang the "antichrist" sign on anything that it believes comports with its illegitimate conjured hermeneutic of private interpretation, without passing the most basic tests of validity. One of the most obvious examples is its claim in Daniel 9 that Messiah the Prince, the Covenant Confirmer, Christ, is the Antichrist.

It doesn't get more egregiously blasphemous than that.

The daily sacrifices will be blasphemy. The Lamb of God already came and died for us. But they will be doing those again.

They have been blasphemous since Calvary. And nobody will be doing them again.

No. Luke does not.

Yes, Luke does, because Scripture interprets Scripture.

Not interested in arguing. There are many prophesies yet to be fulfilled. Period

There are many prophecies which dispens claim are unfulfilled, which are in fact fulfilled.

"Fulfilled" is a frequently recurring theme of the New Testament.