The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

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Spiritual Israelite

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No,he said he saw them living.
They are not dead as you claim.

"They came to life "

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


This is what is called the resurection.
No, it says "they lived and reigned with Christ". The Greek word translated as "lived" is "zao" and it does not refer to being bodily resurrected. It refers to their souls being alive and living with Christ in heaven. It says the rest of the dead live again after the thousand years and that word referring to them living again is "anazao" which does refer to being bodily resurrected. Why is the word "zao" instead of the word "anazao" used to refer to those who have part in the first resurrection if it's talking about their bodily resurrection?
 

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"They came to life

Says the guy who is actually backing up what he says with scripture.

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
It's not talking about them coming to life bodily, it's talking about their souls living and reigning with Christ in heaven. How interesting that you previously were quoting the translation that says "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" and now you're switching translations.

Where again did you say the souls of the dead that John saw in Revelation 6:9-11 were located?

And this is rich coming from the guy who has said that Paul didn't have the full revelation and his end times teachings can't be trusted for doctrine. Don't think I have forgotten about that. That says it all about you and your mindset about scripture.
 

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No, it says "they lived and reigned with Christ". The Greek word translated as "lived" is "zao" and it does not refer to being bodily resurrected. It refers to their souls being alive and living with Christ in heaven. It says the rest of the dead live again after the thousand years and that word referring to them living again is "anazao" which does refer to being bodily resurrected. Why is the word "zao" instead of the word "anazao" used to refer to those who have part in the first resurrection if it's talking about their bodily resurrection?
According to the text,they are not in the sky.
It says they are in on earth when they are surrounded.

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them
 

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It's not talking about them coming to life bodily, it's talking about their souls living and reigning with Christ in heaven. How interesting that you previously were quoting the translation that says "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" and now you're switching translations.

Where again did you say the souls of the dead that John saw in Revelation 6:9-11 were located?

And this is rich coming from the guy who has said that Paul didn't have the full revelation and his end times teachings can't be trusted for doctrine. Don't think I have forgotten about that. That says it all about you and your mindset about scripture.
Well,they were beheaded for their witness of Jesus
Then they are resurected and live .

That's what the resurection of them who are killed is all about.
 

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It's not talking about them coming to life bodily, it's talking about their souls living and reigning with Christ in heaven. How interesting that you previously were quoting the translation that says "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" and now you're switching translations.

Where again did you say the souls of the dead that John saw in Revelation 6:9-11 were located?

And this is rich coming from the guy who has said that Paul didn't have the full revelation and his end times teachings can't be trusted for doctrine. Don't think I have forgotten about that. That says it all about you and your mindset about scripture.
"They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them"



They are surrounded on the breadth of the earth in the beloved city.



Ezekiel 38 says it on the mountains of Israel where fire comes down out of heaven and destroys Gog after he comes against God's people.
 
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John 5:24-25 is talking about going from being dead in sins to spiritually alive in Christ like we see in passages like this:

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Only in your corruption of the meaning does quickening speak of the quickening of the body in one group of verses, and then suddenly of the "quickening of the human spirit making it spiritually alive" in Ephesians 2:4-6.

Christ's body was quickened. Not His Spirit. Egeiro and synegeiro (raised up together with Christ) is referring to the resurrection of the body.

Paul tells us in Romans 8:10-11:

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

In Corinthians Paul links the quickening of the body and the resurrection to the body:

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead, for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]." (1 Corinthians 15:20-22).

Colossians 3:3:
For ye are dead, and your life [zōḗ] is hid with Christ in God.

Colossians 2:12-13 tells Christians that we have been "buried with him in baptism, wherein also you are all risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened together with him (syzōopoiéō), having forgiven you all trespasses." -- Colossians 2:12-13.

It is in accordance with what the New Testament says about the quickening of the body (always of the body) that Paul says in Ephesians,

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins,

(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickening of the dead body together with the quickening of Christ's dead body), (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō - the resurrection of the body together with Christ's resurrection, as in 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 where Paul teaches about the quickening of our dead bodies and raising of/resurrection of our dead bodies through the quickening of Christ's dead body and resurrection of Christ's dead body)

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead, for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]." (1 Corinthians 15:20-22).

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

.. and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

"If then you all be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sits on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For all of you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. -- Colossians 3:1-3.

Colossians 3:4:
When Christ, who is our life [zōḗ], shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

We were dead in Ephesians 2:4 because God HAS quickened our bodies with Christ's body and HAS raised us up, because Christ is the last Adam, the firstfruits of the resurrection of the body from the dead, whose dead body WAS quickened.

"For since death is through man, the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead also is through a Man. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be quickened [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] made alive.

You have changed (corrupted the meaning of) what the Bible is saying to assert that Ephesians 2:4-6 is speaking about the quickening "of the human spirit" so that you can have Ephesians 2:4-6 comply with your false Amil theology which corrupts it to mean what you say it means. And though this has been repeatedly pointed out to you, you simply keep repeating the same lie:

John 5:24-25 is talking about going from being dead in sins to spiritually alive in Christ like we see in passages like this:

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
 

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Well,they were beheaded for their witness of Jesus
Then they are resurected and live .

That's what the resurection of them who are killed is all about.
Why are you trying to avoid the question? Seems like you are trying to hide something. Where are these "souls of them that were slain for the word of God" located?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
 

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Only in your corruption of the meaning does quickening speak of the quickening of the body in one group of verses, and then suddenly of the "quickening of the human spirit making it spiritually alive" in Ephesians 2:4-6.

Christ's body was quickened. Not His Spirit. Egeiro and synegeiro (raised up together with Christ) is referring to the resurrection of the body.

Paul tells us in Romans 8:10-11:

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

In Corinthians Paul links the quickening of the body and the resurrection to the body:

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead, for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]." (1 Corinthians 15:20-22).

Colossians 3:3:
For ye are dead, and your life [zōḗ] is hid with Christ in God.

Colossians 2:12-13 tells Christians that we have been "buried with him in baptism, wherein also you are all risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened together with him (syzōopoiéō), having forgiven you all trespasses." -- Colossians 2:12-13.

It is in accordance with what the New Testament says about the quickening of the body (always of the body) that Paul says in Ephesians,

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins,

(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickening of the dead body together with the quickening of Christ's dead body), (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō - the resurrection of the body together with Christ's resurrection, as in 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 where Paul teaches about the quickening of our dead bodies and raising of/resurrection of our dead bodies through the quickening of Christ's dead body and resurrection of Christ's dead body)

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead, for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]." (1 Corinthians 15:20-22).

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

.. and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

"If then you all be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sits on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For all of you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. -- Colossians 3:1-3.

Colossians 3:4:
When Christ, who is our life [zōḗ], shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

We were dead in Ephesians 2:4 because God HAS quickened our bodies with Christ's body and HAS raised us up, because Christ is the last Adam, the firstfruits of the resurrection of the body from the dead, whose dead body WAS quickened.

"For since death is through man, the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead also is through a Man. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be quickened [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] made alive.

You have changed (corrupted the meaning of) what the Bible is saying to assert that Ephesians 2:4-6 is speaking about the quickening "of the human spirit" so that you can have Ephesians 2:4-6 comply with your false Amil theology which corrupts it to mean what you say it means. And though this has been repeatedly pointed out to you, you simply keep repeating the same lie:
Same old nonsense from you. Not interested in having the same old tired argument with you. Ephesians 2:4-6 is clearly talking about spiritual salvation and going from being spiritually dead in sins to spiritually alive in Christ. If you can't even discern that, then you clearly need to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

See that part that says "by grace ye are saved"? That shows the context of what Paul is talking about here. He's certainly not talking about being physically dead in sins and being physically saved by grace, but rather about being spiritually dead in sins and spiritually saved by grace. That's not even debatable. And he's certainly not saying we go from being spiritually dead in sins to physically alive with Christ when we're saved by grace. Instead, we go from being spiritually dead in sins to spiritually alive with Christ when we're spiritually saved. So, you are completely missing the context of that passage because of your severe lack of spiritual discernment.
 

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There is no "coming kingdom of Christ". Scripture says He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes again.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

This is why when Jesus comes at the end of the age the kingdom will then be known as "the kingdom of their Father".

Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
27 And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.
28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first [proton] the blade, then [eita] the ear, after that [eita] the full grain in the head.
29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come. -- Mark 4


21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits [aparche]; afterward [epita] they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24 Then [eita] cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. -- 1 Corinthians 15

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. BUT NOW [nun] WE SEE NOT YET all things put under him. -- Hebrews 2

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: BUT NOW (NUN) IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE. -- John 18

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. -- Revelation 11


The rest of your post has already been answered by someone else:

First he will send forth his angels and they will remove from his kingdom all who do evil.

And there's a lot of people in that kingdom who do evil.


Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
 

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Same old nonsense from you. Not interested in having the same old tired argument with you.
Because it's the same old nonsense and corruption of the meaning of the word zoopeio that you want to uphold for the sake of forcing scripture to comply with Amil false theology.
 

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Why are you trying to avoid the question? Seems like you are trying to hide something. Where are these "souls of them that were slain for the word of God" located?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
We were not talking about revelation 6
We were discussing revelation 20.

You said the resurected saints in revelation 20 were dead when the verse said they live.

You said they were in the heaven when the verse said they are on earth.
 
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Same old nonsense from you. Not interested in having the same old tired argument with you. Ephesians 2:4-6 is clearly talking about spiritual salvation and going from being spiritually dead in sins to spiritually alive in Christ. If you can't even discern that, then you clearly need to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

See that part that says "by grace ye are saved"? That shows the context of what Paul is talking about here. He's certainly not talking about being physically dead in sins and being physically saved by grace, but rather about being spiritually dead in sins and spiritually saved by grace. That's not even debatable. And he's certainly not saying we go from being spiritually dead in sins to physically alive with Christ when we're saved by grace. Instead, we go from being spiritually dead in sins to spiritually alive with Christ when we're spiritually saved. So, you are completely missing the context of that passage because of your severe lack of spiritual discernment.
Saved by grace is referring to the fact that the wages of sin is death (of the body) besides the banishment of the soul from the presence of God - and the passage is talking about the quickening of our dead bodies together with the quickening of the Last Adam's dead body and the resurrection of our dead bodies together with the resurrection of the Last Adam's dead body.
 

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No, I think it's talking about the future inheritance of the kingdom of God in its fullness.
False answer followed by a red herring in order to divert. Not going to respond because you have said that the Kingdom of Christ is already here implying that it's already here in all its fullness, so there is no future inheritance of the Kingdom in accordance with your own definition of the Kingdom. If the Kingdom of Christ has come then there is no need for a future inheritance "in fullness".

Your argument is like the will that states "Son, I leave you half the inheritance of the house when I die, and the rest when I'm fully dead."
 
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According to the text,they are not in the sky.
It says they are in on earth when they are surrounded.

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them

Per Revelation 19 though, you do agree they are up in the sky first per that account, right? Obviously, the rapture precedes Christ and His army confronting the beast and it's armies. Not meaning a Pretrib rapture, though. Meaning a post trib rapture, that that rapture occurs first, thus no saints remaining on the planet at this point because the following happens moments earlier---

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord

Thus no saints remaining on the earth at this point. But not meaning they then ascend into heaven though, since the clouds and air meant here are pertaining to our atmosphere not heaven. After they meet Christ in the air they continue descending to the earth in order to fulfill Revelation 19:19-21, not ascend to heaven instead.

Why this matters, Amils insist, maybe not all Amils do, that Revelation 19:19-21 and Revelation 20:7-10 are involving the same events. But if that is true, why does Revelation 19 have the saints in the sky first because of the rapture, thus no saints remaining on the planet in order to be surrounded by anyone, can't surround them on the earth if they are up in the sky, right?

But that Revelation 20:7-10 has no saints up in the sky, they are still on the earth and are being surrounded on the earth, thus the exact opposite of what Revelation 19 records when we factor in that the rapture has to precede Christ and His armies confronting the beast and it's armies below.

Yet, Amils would have us believe that Revelation 19:19-21 and Revelation 20:7-10 are involving the same events, the same time period. That way they can deny that the beast and false prophet are already in the LOF a thousand years earlier than when Revelation 20:7-10 is meaning. What you won't see mentioned anywhere in verses 7-9 is the beast and false prophet. And for good reason, they are not involving what Revelation 20:7-9 is involving. They are already in the LOF and have been there for a thousand years when verses 7-9 are meaning.
 
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26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
27 And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.
28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first [proton] the blade, then [eita] the ear, after that [eita] the full grain in the head.
29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come. -- Mark 4


21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits [aparche]; afterward [epita] they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24 Then [eita] cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. -- 1 Corinthians 15

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. BUT NOW [nun] WE SEE NOT YET all things put under him. -- Hebrews 2

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: BUT NOW (NUN) IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE. -- John 18

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. -- Revelation 11


The rest of your post has already been answered by someone else:
It's comical that you think think this is an answer to my post. You didn't specifically address anything I said, which is typical of you. You can't be taken seriously.
 

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False answer followed by a red herring in order to divert. Not going to respond because you have said that the Kingdom of Christ is already here implying that it's already here in all its fullness, so there is no future inheritance of the Kingdom in accordance with your own definition of the Kingdom. If the Kingdom of Christ has come then there is no need for a future inheritance "in fullness".

Your argument is like the will that states "Son, I leave you half the inheritance of the house when I die, and the rest when I'm fully dead."
I need to leave as message like that In my will..
Hahaha
 
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John saw the souls of them in revelation 20 being surrounded by Gog and the nation in Jerusalem.Thag is when fire comes down out of heaven and devours Gog who had surrounded the resurected saints.
More twisting of Scripture. He saw the souls in heaven and the saints on earth surrounded at the end before the second coming and the general resurrection.
 

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False answer followed by a red herring in order to divert.

LOL. More empty words from you, which is all you have to offer, as usual.

Not going to respond because you have said that the Kingdom of Christ is already here implying that it's already here in all its fullness,
Nice job of misrepresenting my view, liar. And I know you did it purposely because I've told you what I believe many times. You know I am not saying that kingdom is already here in its fullness, but you still lie and say this, anyway. I always say, and you know I always say this, that we are in the kingdom of Christ spiritually now, as Colossians 1:12-13 explicitly states, and the kingdom will appear in its fullness when Jesus delivers His kingdom to the Father when He comes again.

so there is no future inheritance of the Kingdom in accordance with your own definition of the Kingdom.
Nonsense! Why do you lie like this? Do you not have a conscience? If you disagree with me, fine. But, don't lie about what I believe. What is wrong with you? You need to repent of your lying. Forget eschatology right now and learn how to have integrity.

If the Kingdom of Christ has come then there is no need for a future inheritance "in fullness".
Why not? there is still sin and death in the world and we are not yet in the perfect, eternal new heavens and new earth.
 

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Saved by grace is referring to the fact that the wages of sin is death (of the body) besides the banishment of the soul from the presence of God - and the passage is talking about the quickening of our dead bodies together with the quickening of the Last Adam's dead body and the resurrection of our dead bodies together with the resurrection of the Last Adam's dead body.
Your talk gibberish. Are you denying that the context of Ephesians 2:4-6 is being saved by grace or are you saying being saved by grace is being saved physically instead of spiritually?
 

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Per Revelation 19 though, you do agree they are up in the sky first per that account, right? Obviously, the rapture precedes Christ and His army confronting the beast and it's armies. Not meaning a Pretrib rapture, though. Meaning a post trib rapture, that that rapture occurs first, thus no saints remaining on the planet at this point because the following happens moments earlier---

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord

Thus no saints remaining on the earth at this point. But not meaning they then ascend into heaven though, since the clouds and air meant here are pertaining to our atmosphere not heaven. After they meet Christ in the air they continue descending to the earth in order to fulfill Revelation 19:19-21, not ascend to heaven instead.

Why this matters, Amils insist, maybe not all Amils do, that Revelation 19:19-21 and Revelation 20:7-10 are involving the same events. But if that is true, why does Revelation 19 have the saints in the sky first because of the rapture, thus no saints remaining on the planet in order to be surrounded by anyone, can't surround them on the earth if they are up in the sky, right?

But that Revelation 20:7-10 has no saints up in the sky, they are still on the earth and are being surrounded on the earth, thus the exact opposite of what Revelation 19 records when we factor in that the rapture has to precede Christ and His armies confronting the beast and it's armies below.

Yet, Amils would have us believe that Revelation 19:19-21 and Revelation 20:7-10 are involving the same events, the same time period. That way they can deny that the beast and false prophet are already in the LOF when Revelation 20:7-10 is meaning.
I agree with that.
From my understanding the elect are gathered to Jerusalem when Christ comes.Zech 14 shows the Lord coming and the saints with him.Then it says Jerusalem will be safely inhabited .

Zech 14
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.