The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

[Stewardofthemystery]

Again, you do not understand. Listen, the wages of sin is NOT physical death!

Then why do ALL men physically die?

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

When Amil speaks of the resurrection of Christ being the FIRST RESURRECTION, we are saying He is the FIRST RESURRECTION physically from the grave clothed in immortal & incorruptible flesh & blood.

Why not just say Jesus is the first-fruits of the first resurrection? The reason you don’t is because you believe “the first resurrection” is past, which is why you also believe the thousand year reign of Christ started long ago with Jesus being resurrected.

One error has led to another, and then to another and so on.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Take time and carefully review - Thank You

It is you who need to take time and "THINK" carefully what Christ is trying to tell us.

Heaven to earth = God is concerned about His physical creation from Genesis.

Which includes:
a.) the earth, the trees, all plants, the entire biosphere
b.) sun
c.) moon
d.) stars
e.) waters/oceans/rivers/lakes/streams/ponds and wells
f.) animals = all of them
g.) MANKIND made in His image

Didn't God often use His physical creation to represent deeper "spiritual" meaning, humm? For example, you insisted on physical sun, moon and stars, right? Okay, what did God say about these things in Revelation?

Rev 12:1
(1) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

A woman, a sun, a moon, and stars in the symbolical book of Revelation. Are they literal? Is woman literal floating in space and wearing a sun for a clothing...literal? And stands upon a moon literal? Or have a crown of huge balls of fire literal?

Of course not! The woman in this chapter 12 symbolizes the Congregaiton of God (covenant Israel). We should understand that from the very beginning of creation God instituted the Sun, Moon, and the Stars as the HEAVENLY LIGHTS of the world. Selah? The Sun that this woman is clothed is in symbolic of the righteousness of Christ for He is the Sun, the Light of the World. He is whom we (the congregation) are clothed with that the nakedness of sin (Revelation 3:18) does not appear. This is NOT a literal woman, not a literal sun on her (as if it could ever be), and this is NOT the literal heaven. It is ALL SYMBOLISM to show us God's magnificent salvation plan for his Bride, the woman.

This is just one of many many examples that you still do not understand because you are fixated on physical things. For example, you wrote:

Maybe you are so spiritual that you are becoming a pharisee, who hates anything physical like the physical healings JESUS still does!!!


Have you ever been sick and in need of physical healing?
Have you ever been hungry and in need of physical food?
Have you ever been thirsty and in need of physical water for you physical body?
Have you ever been cold in need of physical clothing?

Actually it was you who are like a pharisee, who hates anything physical healings Jesus did and yet still lacks spiritual understanding from these miracles as a SIGNS! Do you believe miracles do happen but do you truly understand this?

Yes, the miracles do. Where once I was blind where there was nothing I could do to regain my sight, now I "miraculously see!" Where once I was deaf, now I miraculously hear! Where once I was poor and hungered and thirsted, now I am rich and filled. Where once I could be poisoned, I an now immune to this deadly poison. Where once I was dead in trespass and sin, I was regenerated unto new life by the Holy Spirit. Yes, these things are as real and and miraculous as the raising of Lazarus was.

John 12:17-18

• "The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.
• For this cause the people also met him, for that they heard that he had done this miracle.

The miracle was an example, to bear record, that the Saviour had indeed came! But let me ask you, why do you think Jesus did these physical miracles? To demonstrate how Christians could afterward raise men who were physically dead, out of their graves? No! That is NOT the example set here. That's the logic of the Charismatics and Pentecostals concerning the doing of miracles, but it is far from the truth. To think that these physical miracles would continue and be passed down to us after the Bible was completed is wishful thinking! That logic and rationale is flawed. For what purpose, the Sign or Token illustration was accomplished? Christ did the miracle of raising Lazarus from the dead as a picture of the SIGN or signification of salvation. It prefigured a much greater Resurrection than that of mere carnality or raising of the physical flesh. But a resurrection of the Spirit unto new life in Christ Jesus. So yes, miracles do happen! Every day that someone is saved, he is raised from the dead. Thank God! What good would it be to raise a man physically from the dead, only to have him die in his sins?! What good is it to heal the blind, only to have him perish unable to perceive Christ? What good would it be to heal a man from his physical deafness, only to have him die never hearing spiritually the gospel of peace? The answer is, it does no good. Spiritual healing by the gospel of the True Physician is the only healing Christians are commissioned to do.

That is the spiritual truth, far more important than your literal/physical interpretation nonsense.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Then why do ALL men physically die?

Because our corrupted fleshly bodies have to end sometimes? What does that have to do with the price of Bananas?

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Gen 2:17
(17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Did Adam die ON THE DAY he ate it after he was warned not to eat it? Was it physical death? Or Spiritual death? Which one that passed down on all men? Let me know if you figure it out.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So? Your point is? What death is this that must take place before someone must stand before God?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Because our corrupted fleshly bodies have to end sometimes? What does that have to do with the price of Bananas?

So you don’t think sin has anything to do with the death of the physical body? I have to say that is the first time I have heard that one.

Did Adam die ON THE DAY he ate it after he was warned not to eat it? Was it physical death? Or Spiritual death? Which one that passed down on all men? Let me know if you figure it out.

I fully understand that there is both a spiritual and physical aspect to death, but both are caused by sin.

So? Your point is? What death is this that must take place before someone must stand before God?

That verse is talking about to die physically, this would include putting off this mortal body when those who are alive and remain are changed at the coming of the Lord.

 

[David in NJ]

It is you who need to take time and "THINK" carefully what Christ is trying to tell us.


Didn't God often use His physical creation to represent deeper "spiritual" meaning, humm? For example, you insisted on physical sun, moon and stars, right? Okay, what did God say about these things in Revelation?

Rev 12:1
(1) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

A woman, a sun, a moon, and stars in the symbolical book of Revelation. Are they literal? Is woman literal floating in space and wearing a sun for a clothing...literal? And stands upon a moon literal? Or have a crown of huge balls of fire literal?

Of course not! The woman in this chapter 12 symbolizes the Congregaiton of God (covenant Israel). We should understand that from the very beginning of creation God instituted the Sun, Moon, and the Stars as the HEAVENLY LIGHTS of the world. Selah? The Sun that this woman is clothed is in symbolic of the righteousness of Christ for He is the Sun, the Light of the World. He is whom we (the congregation) are clothed with that the nakedness of sin (Revelation 3:18) does not appear. This is NOT a literal woman, not a literal sun on her (as if it could ever be), and this is NOT the literal heaven. It is ALL SYMBOLISM to show us God's magnificent salvation plan for his Bride, the woman.

This is just one of many many examples that you still do not understand because you are fixated on physical things. For example, you wrote:



Actually it was you who are like a pharisee, who hates anything physical healings Jesus did and yet still lacks spiritual understanding from these miracles as a SIGNS! Do you believe miracles do happen but do you truly understand this?

Yes, the miracles do. Where once I was blind where there was nothing I could do to regain my sight, now I "miraculously see!" Where once I was deaf, now I miraculously hear! Where once I was poor and hungered and thirsted, now I am rich and filled. Where once I could be poisoned, I an now immune to this deadly poison. Where once I was dead in trespass and sin, I was regenerated unto new life by the Holy Spirit. Yes, these things are as real and and miraculous as the raising of Lazarus was.

John 12:17-18

• "The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.
• For this cause the people also met him, for that they heard that he had done this miracle.

The miracle was an example, to bear record, that the Saviour had indeed came! But let me ask you, why do you think Jesus did these physical miracles? To demonstrate how Christians could afterward raise men who were physically dead, out of their graves? No! That is NOT the example set here. That's the logic of the Charismatics and Pentecostals concerning the doing of miracles, but it is far from the truth. To think that these physical miracles would continue and be passed down to us after the Bible was completed is wishful thinking! That logic and rationale is flawed. For what purpose, the Sign or Token illustration was accomplished? Christ did the miracle of raising Lazarus from the dead as a picture of the SIGN or signification of salvation. It prefigured a much greater Resurrection than that of mere carnality or raising of the physical flesh. But a resurrection of the Spirit unto new life in Christ Jesus. So yes, miracles do happen! Every day that someone is saved, he is raised from the dead. Thank God! What good would it be to raise a man physically from the dead, only to have him die in his sins?! What good is it to heal the blind, only to have him perish unable to perceive Christ? What good would it be to heal a man from his physical deafness, only to have him die never hearing spiritually the gospel of peace? The answer is, it does no good. Spiritual healing by the gospel of the True Physician is the only healing Christians are commissioned to do.

That is the spiritual truth, far more important than your literal/physical interpretation nonsense.

Didn't God often use His physical creation to represent deeper "spiritual" meaning, humm? For example, you insisted on physical sun, moon and stars, right? Okay, what did God say about these things in Revelation?

Again, nobody argues against this.

Of course not! The woman in this chapter 12 symbolizes the Congregaiton of God (covenant Israel). We should understand that from the very beginning of creation God instituted the Sun, Moon, and the Stars as the HEAVENLY LIGHTS of the world. Selah? The Sun that this woman is clothed is in symbolic of the righteousness of Christ for He is the Sun, the Light of the World. He is whom we (the congregation) are clothed with that the nakedness of sin (Revelation 3:18) does not appear. This is NOT a literal woman, not a literal sun on her (as if it could ever be), and this is NOT the literal heaven. It is ALL SYMBOLISM to show us God's magnificent salvation plan for his Bride, the woman.

Nobody is arguing against the symbolism that God uses in His Word.
The symbolic speaks of that which is BOTH spiritual and Literal and you AGREE with this here in your post.
Is the Bride a spirit or the Literal Body of Christ?
Is not the Bride BOTH spirit and flesh.

When the Apostle Paul spoke of the Body of Christ(His Bride) he was speaking of literal people on earth who came to CHRIST.
These literal flesh and blood saints extends to Heaven where those who died in Christ now Reside.
Just as the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us = "Immanuel, God with us"
The same WORD that became flesh, a man, went to the Literal Cross suffering Literal physical AGONY for our sins.
His physical Body died when HE gave UP His Spirit to the FATHER, while on the Literal Cross.
3 Days later HE LITERALLY Rose from the dead, NEVER to die again.

Now that you know this, unless of course you choose to harden your heart, you can grow Today by hearing His Voice.

His Voice says "Adam lived a LITERAL Physical, on earth, 930 Literal YEARS / 24 hour days.

That is 70 Years short of 1,000 LITERAL Years which God had originally intended for Adam to live.

The Promise of the FATHER for us to live a Literal 1,000 Years is Fulfilled in CHRIST at His Second Coming for all the Saints.

CHRIST is the missing 70 Years that the first Adam failed to reach because of sin.

CHRIST, who is the Second Adam is a Life Giving Spirit because HE committed no sin, therefore Death could not keep Him in the Grave.

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

 

[Davidpt]

I disagree and I will explain why. Many of them are saying Jesus’ resurrection ALONE is the first resurrection as defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Now, was Jesus Himself resurrected in the past, or is it yet future? Of course Jesus was resurrected in the past.

So really what they are saying is “the first resurrection” which is to the dead in Christ as mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 is already past.

So I stand by what I said.

Maybe you are right, I don't know. But one thing that seems rather silly to me since John only mentions a total of 2 resurrection events in Revelation 20, not 3 or more, that being the first resurrection and the 2nd resurrection after the thousand years, that he would neglect to mention the most important resurrection event, the bodily resurrection of saints. As if a spiritual resurrection is all that is required to live throughout eternity, I guess in a disembodied state, that no one even needs to be bodily resurrected. Otherwise, you would think John would have mentioned the bodily resurrection of saints somewhere in Revelation 20. But nope, if you are an Amil John certainly didn't mention the bodily resurrection of saints anywhere in Revelation 20. Thank God not all of us are Amils. Also thank God, neither was John an Amil.

 

[Davidpt]

Again, you do not understand. Listen, the wages of sin is NOT physical death! It is spiritual death which is a separation from God and eternal life. Christ is the FIRST RESURRECTION from the dead because He was the first raised up from the SECOND DEATH, wherein He suffered the wrath of God (the penalty of our sins) for us. Don't you get it?! Physical death will not solve the sin problem. It was NOT the reason why Christ went to the Cross so it is NOT talking about mere physical bodily death here! This is a huge mistake that like you, that many people make. You think that Jesus merely went to the cross and suffered a "physical" punishment?! Really??

Do you not realize that Christ suffered the wrath of God for "our sins" placed upon His person?

2nd Corinthians 5:21

• "For he hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

Christ became sin for us (ALL ELECT MANKIND), taking our iniquities in His Body, and He suffered the horrible penalty of God's wrath (in addition to man's). And by His taking our sins, and paying the wages of those sins, we are left FREE from those sins.

When Christ was in the grave and when He was resurrected? As Christians, we died with Him, were buried with Him, and were raised up with Him free from our sins. And the wages of sin is (second) death. This is the cornerstone of Christianity. Surely you are not denying this?

Romans 6:8-11

• "Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
• Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
• For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
• Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Before we were born again, we were ALREADY spiritually dead which Adam and Eve passed down to all mankind. We were all guaranteed to go to the Lake of Fire UNLESS Christ did something about our spiritual death! So He came and died in our places. So we died with him, we were raised up with him. Now ask yourself, WHAT DEATH was it that needed to free us from sins? Was it mere our physical death, or the spiritual death Christ suffered on our behalf, humm?

Isaiah 53:4-5

• "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
• But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

Christ was stricken, smitten, and afflicted By God, and for our sins. That's the death punishment God suffered, not merely having nails hammered into His hands, but something infinitely more efficacious and glorifying than a mere crucifixion.

Christ's resurrection was the "First Resurrection" wherein all who will become saved, must have part in "His" First Resurrection. Because without that First Resurrection, we will instead still be stuck with the second death because of sin! Thus we all had to be raised up in Him in order to live and reign with Him. For example, ALL of us (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Lazarus, etc.) have been raised up with Him in "that" First Resurrection, so that we will live and reign forever. Raised up unto new life, wherein we will never die. We are no longer under the spiritual death because we were born again and made alive in Christ!

Ephesians 2:5-6

• "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )
• And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

There again is the First Resurrection in Christ. To be quickened together with Christ clearly means to be "made alive together with Christ." This is not talking about future "physical" resurrection. It is the first resurrection that we must take part of FIRST before we physically die (or the rapture) else we are going to hell. Period!

Does this make sense to you? Only to those who hold the Holy Scriptures as authoritative. Selah.

The 2nd death was not applicable in Christ's case. The 2nd death involves being cast into the LOF. Christ was never cast into the LOF when He died. You can't have a 2nd death without a LOF. They go hand in hand.

What the wages of sin are, is the 2nd death. Not everyone receives those wages, though. Wages are typically paid on the completion of something. In this case meaning you live your life first, then depending on how you lived it, your wages will either be eternal life or eternal death. Meaning the wages of sin will be paid on judgment day. But not everyone will receive those wages. Saved saints certainly won't.

 

[David in NJ]

Maybe you are right, I don't know. But one thing that seems rather silly to me since John only mentions a total of 2 resurrection events in Revelation 20, not 3 or more, that being the first resurrection and the 2nd resurrection after the thousand years, that he would neglect to mention the most important resurrection event, the bodily resurrection of saints. As if a spiritual resurrection is all that is required to live throughout eternity, I guess in a disembodied state, that no one even needs to be bodily resurrected. Otherwise, you would think John would have mentioned the bodily resurrection of saints somewhere in Revelation 20. But nope, if you are an Amil John certainly didn't mention the bodily resurrection of saints anywhere in Revelation 20. Thank God not all of us are Amils. Also thank God, neither was John an Amil.

The bodily resurrection of the saints is spoken in the Beginning of Revelation chapter 1 and is Capped Off in Revelation ch20.

Attention @WPM = this is called 'Corroborative Evidence of Scripture' when the LORD Begins and Ends with the SAME TRUTH

 

[Zao is life]

So you don’t think sin has anything to do with the death of the physical body? I have to say that is the first time I have heard that one.

I fully understand that there is both a spiritual and physical aspect to death, but both are caused by sin.

That verse is talking about to die physically, this would include putting off this mortal body when those who are alive and remain are changed at the coming of the Lord.

Romans 4:9
"For this reason Christ died [apothnesko] and rose again from the dead [bodily: anistemi] and lived again [anazao: lived again in the body], so that he may be the Lord of both the dead [nekros] and living [zao: those who are alive in the body]." (Romans 14:9).

The dead are not the living: The New Testament does not only call those who do not belong to Christ "dead" - it calls those who died in Christ "dead", i.e "the dead in Christ."

John 11
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again [anistemi: bodily resurrection].
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again [anistemi] in the resurrection [anastasis: the noun for the resurrection of the body from the dead] at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection [anastasis], and the life [zoe]: he that believeth in me, though he were dead [apothnesko], yet shall he live [zao: to be alive in the body].

Note: Lazarus had died.

26 And whosoever liveth [zao: alive in the body] and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The context of John 11:23-26 is death (the death of the body: of Lazarus, in this case), and the resurrection of the body from dead at the last day.

In accordance with the context Jesus is talking in verse 26 about those who have been resurrected from the dead at the last day and are alive in the body [zao] following the resurrection of the body. They will never die. Jesus is saying they will be immortal. He's saying "Whosoever (then, following the resurrection at the last day) and believes in Me shall never die".

But Amillennialists again assert (in accordance with their theology rather than in accordance with the context) that verse 26 is referring to those who have (some Amils say) been born of the Spirit, or (some of them say), "spiritually" quickened.

The list of scriptures they have to ignore the context of and change the meaning of in order to comply with Amil theology is very long.

 

[David in NJ]

Romans 4:9
"For this reason Christ died [apothnesko] and rose again from the dead [bodily: anistemi] and lived again [anazao: lived again in the body], so that he may be the Lord of both the dead [nekros] and living [zao: those who are alive in the body]." (Romans 14:9).

The dead are not the living: The New Testament does not only call those who do not belong to Christ "dead" - it calls those who died in Christ "dead", i.e "the dead in Christ."

John 11
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again [anistemi: bodily resurrection].
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again [anistemi] in the resurrection [anastasis: the noun for the resurrection of the body from the dead] at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection [anastasis], and the life [zoe]: he that believeth in me, though he were dead [apothnesko], yet shall he live [zao: to be alive in the body].

Note: Lazarus had died.

26 And whosoever liveth [zao: alive in the body] and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The context of John 11:23-26 is death (the death of the body: of Lazarus, in this case), and the resurrection of the body from dead at the last day.

In accordance with the context Jesus is talking in verse 26 about those who have been resurrected from the dead at the last day and are alive in the body [zao] following the resurrection of the body. They will never die. Jesus is saying they will be immortal. He's saying "Whosoever (then, following the resurrection at the last day) and believes in Me shall never die".

But Amillennialists again assert (in accordance with their theology rather than in accordance with the context) that verse 26 is referring to those who have (some Amils say) been born of the Spirit, or (some of them say), "spiritually" quickened.

The list of scriptures they have to ignore the context of and change the meaning of in order to comply with Amil theology is very long.

Let's straighten this out according to exactly what JESUS said and meant in John 11:23-25
Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

A.) He who believes in ME = John 3:16
B.) though he may die(physical death) = Genesis chapter 3 sin brings death = all have sinned = "all die in Adam" = 1 Cor 15:22
C.) he shall live = Literal Resurrection from the Grave = "all will be made ALIVE in Christ" - 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor 15:22 , 1 John 3:1-3
D.) And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. = this is BOTH PRESENT, NOW, TODAY and FOREVER
E.) You cannot make it to the First Resurrection unless you are first spiritually resurrected from spiritual death

How do we know (D & E) are TRUE??? = John 3:1-16 and Ephesians 2:1-10 , Colossians 1:13-14


IMPORTANT: JESUS is the Resurrection = ALL of IT, Everyone who is in HIM from the first to the last, for HE is the FIRST and the LAST

 

[TribulationSigns]

What the wages of sin are, is the 2nd death.

Well, duh!

Not everyone receives those wages, though.

False. All mankind received wages of sin because all have sinned and fallen short of God.

Wages are typically paid on the completion of something. In this case meaning you live your life first, then depending on how you lived it, your wages will either be eternal life or eternal death. Meaning the wages of sin will be paid on judgment day. But not everyone will receive those wages. Saved saints certainly won't.

You do not make any sense! Elect with the wages of sin has been paid in full by Christ (First Resurrection) while the rest still have wages of sin to pay (Second Death)! It does not mean that Elect's wages of sin have NOT been paid YET until the Judgment day. NO, It was already paid in full when we were born again and made alive. This is why we are saved and the second death has no power over us RIGHT NOW. Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

So you don’t think sin has anything to do with the death of the physical body? I have to say that is the first time I have heard that one.

It's not something you have never heard, You have denied the truth since Paul penned it. The wages of sin is SECOND DEATH, not physical death. Get it?!

I fully understand that there is both a spiritual and physical aspect to death, but both are caused by sin.

LOL!!!

That verse is talking about to die physically, this would include putting off this mortal body when those who are alive and remain are changed at the coming of the Lord.

LOL! You quoted:

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So you are saying that putting off the mortal body of the "alive and remain" Elect is considered as physically died at the Last Trump?!

 

[David in NJ]

Well, duh!



False. All mankind received wages of sin because all have sinned and fallen short of God.



You do not make any sense! Elect with the wages of sin has been paid in full by Christ (First Resurrection) while the rest still have wages of sin to pay (Second Death)! It does not mean that Elect's wages of sin have NOT been paid YET until the Judgment day. NO, It was already paid in full when we were born again and made alive. This is why we are saved and the second death has no power over us RIGHT NOW. Selah!

@Davidpt

What @TribulationSigns says here is 100% Pure TRUTH as in John 3:16 and 1 Peter ch1 , Heb 9:23-28 and more

 

[David in NJ]

Well, duh!



False. All mankind received wages of sin because all have sinned and fallen short of God.



You do not make any sense! Elect with the wages of sin has been paid in full by Christ (First Resurrection) while the rest still have wages of sin to pay (Second Death)! It does not mean that Elect's wages of sin have NOT been paid YET until the Judgment day. NO, It was already paid in full when we were born again and made alive. This is why we are saved and the second death has no power over us RIGHT NOW. Selah!

@TribulationSigns = You owe @Davidpt an apology

@Davidpt meant that not everyone will receive the Second Death

Quote from @Davidpt = "What the wages of sin are, is the 2nd death. Not everyone receives those wages, though."

 

[David in NJ]

@Davidpt please take note that you are owed an apology from @TribulationSigns for incorrectly quoting your words by leaving out what you ACTUALLY said.

@TribulationSigns, please refrain from doing this as it only causes division and is dishonest.

This goes for MYSELF/ @David in NJ and @rwb and @WPM and everyone else on here

 

[rwb]

You are doing the SAME thing as the pre-fibbers = refusing to acknowledge the Scriptures which expose amil error.

This is YOU! While your accusing finger is pointing at others, remember three of your fingers point at YOU!

Why hold unto 'respect of persons' and man-made denominations when you could be FREE to Believe all things that God has spoken.

Good question! Should be directed at YOURSELF! You try to appear very pious and concerned with what you THINK but cannot biblically prove Amil as being man-made. But it is YOUR doctrine that has been shown to be UNBIBLICAL, because it truly is the doctrine of man, and is NOT of God!

Today, you can set yourself FREE by going to the LORD and asking Him to release you from anything which disagrees with His words.

Oh, so pious and self-righteous! You remind of the Pharisee's of Old. They too believed they had the Word of TRUTH, and we know what that meant for them. Instead of acting all concerned about others being released from the false doctrines of man, why not ask God to give you spiritual discernment that you might know the Kingdom of God is not of this world physically, but is a SPIRITUAL Kingdom that man can only know and enter through the power of the Spirit in them? Go ahead, set yourself free from this bondage of false doctrines you continue to embrace, and accept the TRUTH!

 

[rwb]

Why not just say Jesus is the first-fruits of the first resurrection? The reason you don’t is because you believe “the first resurrection” is past, which is why you also believe the thousand year reign of Christ started long ago with Jesus being resurrected.

One error has led to another, and then to another and so on.

Why not simply accept what I and several others now have been telling you ad nauseum! That Christ is the "first resurrection" of the dead to immortal life. And only those who have part in HIS "first resurrection" life through faith, being born again of His Spirit before we physically die have overcome the second death.

Until you accept the "first resurrection" is the bodily resurrection of Christ to immortality, you will never be able to understand how the first resurrection of Christ was when He physically resurrected from the dead, but His resurrection life is shared by every believer who is born again during this age of TIME, through His Spirit in us.

You make a/the thousand years fit your one thousand year delusion because your pride will not permit you to admit a thousand years symbolizes the time in which the martyred saints lived and reigned with Christ in life before they were martyred. You seem to think if you keep repeating the same false doctrine enough it will become truth??? Sorry lies don't become truth just because one continues to repeat them.

As you say, your doctrine has led you from one error to another, and another and so on!

 

[David in NJ]

This is YOU! While your accusing finger is pointing at others, remember three of your fingers point at YOU!


Good question! Should be directed at YOURSELF! You try to appear very pious and concerned with what you THINK but cannot biblically prove Amil as being man-made. But it is YOUR doctrine that has been shown to be UNBIBLICAL, because it truly is the doctrine of man, and is NOT of God!



Oh, so pious and self-righteous! You remind of the Pharisee's of Old. They too believed they had the Word of TRUTH, and we know what that meant for them. Instead of acting all concerned about others being released from the false doctrines of man, why not ask God to give you spiritual discernment that you might know the Kingdom of God is not of this world physically, but is a SPIRITUAL Kingdom that man can only know and enter through the power of the Spirit in them? Go ahead, set yourself free from this bondage of false doctrines you continue to embrace, and accept the TRUTH!

@rwb @WPM @Spiritual Israelite @David in NJ we are all SAVED by the Sinless Blood of CHRIST
We are FAMILY - FOREVER

We need to be focused on is the LORD and His words especially what HE said in Revelation 22:18-18

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

ALWAYS keep this at the FIRST PRIORITY of your mind and heart when approaching God's words, especially Rev 22:18-19

There is more then enough evidence in Rev ch20 to KNOW He is speaking LITERAL

1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

The LORD left us no doubt HE is speaking literally and HE never gave us any CORROBORATING Evidence to say otherwise.

SHALOM

 

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@TribulationSigns = You owe @Davidpt an apology

@Davidpt meant that not everyone will receive the Second Death

Quote from @Davidpt = "What the wages of sin are, is the 2nd death. Not everyone receives those wages, though."

No, we all RECEIVED the wages of sin to BEGIN WITH which is why we need Christ to free us from it.