The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

[Stewardofthemystery]

Two DIFFERENT Scriptures speaking of TWO Separate Resurrections that are BOTH an Integral and Inseparable Part of the FIRST Resurrection.

And that is another problem in their doctrine, they are trying to conflate the meaning of being born again of the Holy Spirit as being the first bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ as shown in Rev 20:5-6.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

This does not delineate in any way shape or form that the LORD Jesus Christ is the FIRST Resurrection = HIMSELF and all who belong to HIM at His Second Coming.

I have no problem with your point of view on this topic, just your choice of words. The term “the first resurrection” is specific to Rev. 20:5-6.

If you want to say Christ is the firstfruits, or the firstborn from the dead, that is worded properly according to scripture. When you change the wording you can also change the meaning, that is what Amil is doing.

 

[Davidpt]

Read each post CAREFULLY

Some are denying the physical bodily resurrection that Transforms us into Immortal Glorified Sons of God.

Some are claiming it has already occurred, which it has in our spirits, and yet the Bodily Resurrection must AND will take place,
in the near Future = at His Second Coming.

Let's think this through for a moment. If one is convinced that the thousand years precede the 2nd coming, like Amils are convinced of it, it would then be preposterous for them to then agree Revelation 20:4-6 is pertaining to the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ. Because if they did agree with that, that would mean they are placing the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ in the past, since this would mean per their position, the fact they have the thousand years paralleling the here and now, they would also have the bodily resurrection paralleling the here and now, which would be ludicrous for them to do. And the ironic thing about it, some of these Amils insist I don't even understand their position. Yet, IMO,I understand their position way better than some other Premils, maybe not all other Premils, understand it.

 

[David in NJ]

And that is another problem in their doctrine, they are trying to conflate the meaning of being born again of the Holy Spirit as being the first bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ as shown in Rev 20:5-6.

100% spot on

 

[David in NJ]

I have no problem with your point of view on this topic, just your choice of words. The term “the first resurrection” is specific to Rev. 20:5-6.

If you want to say Christ is the firstfruits, or the firstborn from the dead, that is worded properly according to scripture. When you change the wording you can also change the meaning, that is what Amil is doing.

A.) Christ is the First to Resurrect, as a man, unto Immortality(HE always had and never gave it up).
B.) Christ is the First Fruits
C.) Christ is the firstborn from the dead (same as A )
D.) Christ LITERALLY and EMPHATICALLY Declares : IAM the Resurrection and the LIFE


Therefore, CHRIST is the FIRST Resurrection
For HE Brings in HIMSELF the Resurrection at His Second Coming for ALL who died in Him = 1 Thess 4:13-18

Come om guys, God gave us Scripture with dots on it = Connect the Dots and SEE

@Davidpt - can you understand this?

If you and @Stewardofthemystery can SEE this, grade school edu level TRUTH, then you can better minister to the Brethren.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Even if Amil is wrong about the first resurrection, it is not fair, thus is unreasonable to apply 2 Timothy 2:18 to Amils.

I disagree and I will explain why. Many of them are saying Jesus’ resurrection ALONE is the first resurrection as defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Now, was Jesus Himself resurrected in the past, or is it yet future? Of course Jesus was resurrected in the past.

So really what they are saying is “the first resurrection” which is to the dead in Christ as mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 is already past.

So I stand by what I said.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Therefore, CHRIST is the FIRST Resurrection

Let me explain to you my position by comparing it to the body of Christ. Now some are saying Jesus ALONE is the first resurrection as is mentioned and is defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Is Jesus ALONE the whole body of Christ? Did Jesus say he was alone? Jesus said he was not alone, but the Father was with him. Just as it is written that God was in Christ.

Now no doubt Christ is in the body of Christ, but the body of Christ is made up of many members. No doubt Christ is in those many members, but He is not ALONE as the Father is in Him, and they in us (plural).

So like the first resurrection being One, the Body of Christ is also One, but is made up of many members.

That is why the first resurrection is not complete without the body. Christ is the beginning of the body being the head of the body, but the body is not complete without ALL its members.

1 Corinthians 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

Let me explain to you my position by comparing it to the body of Christ. Now some are saying Jesus ALONE is the first resurrection as is mentioned and is defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Is Jesus ALONE the whole body of Christ? Did Jesus say he was alone? Jesus said he was not alone, but the Father was with him. Just as it is written that God was in Christ.

Now no doubt Christ is in the body of Christ, but the body of Christ is made up of many members. No doubt Christ is in those many members, but He is not ALONE as the Father is in Him, and they in us (plural).

So like the first resurrection being One, the Body of Christ is also One, but is made up of many members.

That is why the first resurrection is not complete without the body. Christ is the beginning of the body being the head of the body, but the body is not complete without ALL its members.

1 Corinthians 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

EXCELLENT

So when i say to you "CHRIST Alone is the First Resurrection" it also includes everyone who is IN CHRIST.

The MAIN EMPHASIS, and this is important, when saying that CHRIST alone is the Resurrection is that no one comes to the Father but thru JESUS CHRIST.

There is No Resurrection unto Eternal Life apart from the LORD Jesus Christ
AND
HE is the Beginning and the End
HE is the First and the Last
HE Alone is the Author and Finisher of FAITH
HE saved you and HE will complete you
HE is the Great Shepherd of His Sheep
HE is the Chief Cornerstone
HE is the Body of which we are His Members

 

[Zao is life]

And that is another problem in their doctrine, they are trying to conflate the meaning of being born again of the Holy Spirit as being the first bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ as shown in Rev 20:5-6.

They also keep saying other things that are false, such as this:

It does not say they are bodily resurrected from the dead, it says they lived and reigned with Christ. The Greek word for "lived" there is "zao" which does not mean to be resurrected, but means to be alive and to live. The souls of the dead in Christ live and reign with Christ in heaven because they had part in His resurrection, which is the first resurrection.

Firstly there are no verses in the New Testament where the word zao is referring to the life of humans where it is not also referring to humans who are alive in their bodies. This is why the word appears where Jesus told the Sadducees who were arguing against the resurrection of the body from the dead (anastasis) tht God is not the God of the dead but of the living (zao):

"But as touching the resurrection (OF THE BODY - anastasis) of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the záō (The God of those who are alive in the body)." - Matthew 22:31-32.

Secondly scripture does not speak about "resurrected" souls of humans "reigning in heaven" with Christ. Such statements are just more Amil corruption of the gospel built on top of Amil corruption of the gospel:

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign ON THE EARTH.

Luke 1
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world (kosmos) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because THOU HAST TAKEN TO THEE THY GREAT POWER, and hast reigned.

John 18
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world (kosmos): if my kingdom were of this world (kosmos), then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but NOW (nun) is my kingdom not from hence.

Hebrews 2
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But NOW (nun) we see NOT YET all things put under him.

Revelation 11
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world (kosmos) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 19
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Hallelujah: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived (zao) and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection (anastasis).
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection (anastasis): on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

* Every new Testament verse using the word anastasis is talking about the resurrection of the body from the dead.
* Every New Testament verse talking about zao (alive/living) is talking either about the living God or about humans who are alive in the body.

The first three chapters of Genesis tell us that God created mankind to live on the created earth, in created bodies. According to the Bible, a human soul | spirit without a living body is a human soul | spirit without a body. Spirit is spirit.

"But as touching the resurrection (anastasis) of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the záō (The God of those who are alive in the body)." - Matthew 22:31-32.

2 Timoty 12
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

1 Corinthians 15:25
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign ON THE EARTH.

To say that human limbless human souls without the resurrected body have been "spiritually resurrected and reign with Christ in heaven" is a corruption of the gospel. The gospel is holistic and always involves the redemption of the body. In the true gospel of God, it is THE BODY that is quickened with the quickening of the body of the last Adam, and it is always THE BODY that will be raised from the dead:

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead --

-- for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]." (1 Corinthians 15:20-22).

BEING BORN ANEW OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD
PLACES AN INDIVIDUAL IN CHRIST

CAUSING THE INDIVIDUAL'S DEAD | DYING BODY
TO BE QUICKENED

WHICH WILL PRODUCE

THE RESURRECTION OF THE BODY FROM DEATH
(WITH CHRIST'S RESURRECTION), WHEN HE RETURNS,

AND THE REGENERATION OF ALL THINGS.

THIS IS EVERLASTING LIFE (ZOE)
AND THIS IS THE NEW TESTAMENT'S TEACHING

ALL THANKS TO CHRIST TAKING ON A HUMAN BODY,
AND TAKING OUR SIN UPON HIMSELF,
BEARING THE SIN IN HIS OWN BODY ON THE CROSS
AND DYING, AND RISING AGAIN FROM THE DEAD,
HAVING BEEN QUICKENED BY THE SPIRIT.
​

Amillennialism is a corruption of Revelation 20:4-6 which causes Amils to corrupt many other parts of the New Testament also, in order to make all New Testament scripture comply with Amil theology.​

 

[rwb]

I disagree and I will explain why. Many of them are saying Jesus’ resurrection ALONE is the first resurrection as defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Now, was Jesus Himself resurrected in the past, or is it yet future? Of course Jesus was resurrected in the past.

So really what they are saying is “the first resurrection” which is to the dead in Christ as mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 is already past.

So I stand by what I said.

Let me see if I can make this clear for you (premillennialists)? It would be of no benefit whatsoever to any man if the mortal body of Jesus Christ were simply resurrected to mortal life again, destined to die as all mortal flesh is. When Amil speaks of the resurrection of Christ being the FIRST RESURRECTION, we are saying He is the FIRST RESURRECTION physically from the grave clothed in immortal & incorruptible flesh & blood.

Since your mind (all millennialists) is always fixed on that which is physical, you seem not to be able to understand that the only way mankind shall also be bodily resurrected from the grave immortal & incorruptible like Christ, is that we must partake of His resurrection life before we die. That means we MUST be born again before we can know or enter into the Kingdom of God that came with Christ when He walked this earth a mortal man.

When Jesus spoke these words of eating His flesh and drinking His blood, He was not telling us we must become cannibals to have life through Him. Jesus is speaking of spiritually eating or feasting on Him, and spiritually having part in His life's blood to have life with Him forever. We eat of His flesh and drink of His blood metaphorically when we have part in His resurrected life, through His Spirit in us when we are born again. We learn to worship Him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH, not physically!

John 6:53 (KJV) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

We know and have blessed assurance that the doctrine of Amil is Biblical TRUTH, and the only doctrine that does not force contradiction and confusion into the Word of God. It is ignorance and pride that keeps premillennialists arguing for two separate physical resurrections separated by one thousand years. Total nonsense because the Bible is very clear that NONE shall be resurrected immortal before the hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds and time given this earth whereby man might be saved shall be no longer. You can continue to cling to your stubborn pride, ignoring the plain truths of Scripture, or you can embrace the truth of WHO man partakes of when we partake of the FIRST RESURRECTION through Him!

 

[TribulationSigns]

So you are implying that Jesus’ death was a spiritual death. Wrongo!

1 Corinthians 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Again, you do not understand. Listen, the wages of sin is NOT physical death! It is spiritual death which is a separation from God and eternal life. Christ is the FIRST RESURRECTION from the dead because He was the first raised up from the SECOND DEATH, wherein He suffered the wrath of God (the penalty of our sins) for us. Don't you get it?! Physical death will not solve the sin problem. It was NOT the reason why Christ went to the Cross so it is NOT talking about mere physical bodily death here! This is a huge mistake that like you, that many people make. You think that Jesus merely went to the cross and suffered a "physical" punishment?! Really??

Do you not realize that Christ suffered the wrath of God for "our sins" placed upon His person?

2nd Corinthians 5:21

• "For he hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

Christ became sin for us (ALL ELECT MANKIND), taking our iniquities in His Body, and He suffered the horrible penalty of God's wrath (in addition to man's). And by His taking our sins, and paying the wages of those sins, we are left FREE from those sins.

When Christ was in the grave and when He was resurrected? As Christians, we died with Him, were buried with Him, and were raised up with Him free from our sins. And the wages of sin is (second) death. This is the cornerstone of Christianity. Surely you are not denying this?

Romans 6:8-11

• "Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
• Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
• For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
• Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Before we were born again, we were ALREADY spiritually dead which Adam and Eve passed down to all mankind. We were all guaranteed to go to the Lake of Fire UNLESS Christ did something about our spiritual death! So He came and died in our places. So we died with him, we were raised up with him. Now ask yourself, WHAT DEATH was it that needed to free us from sins? Was it mere our physical death, or the spiritual death Christ suffered on our behalf, humm?

Isaiah 53:4-5

• "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
• But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

Christ was stricken, smitten, and afflicted By God, and for our sins. That's the death punishment God suffered, not merely having nails hammered into His hands, but something infinitely more efficacious and glorifying than a mere crucifixion.

Christ's resurrection was the "First Resurrection" wherein all who will become saved, must have part in "His" First Resurrection. Because without that First Resurrection, we will instead still be stuck with the second death because of sin! Thus we all had to be raised up in Him in order to live and reign with Him. For example, ALL of us (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Lazarus, etc.) have been raised up with Him in "that" First Resurrection, so that we will live and reign forever. Raised up unto new life, wherein we will never die. We are no longer under the spiritual death because we were born again and made alive in Christ!

Ephesians 2:5-6

• "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )
• And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

There again is the First Resurrection in Christ. To be quickened together with Christ clearly means to be "made alive together with Christ." This is not talking about future "physical" resurrection. It is the first resurrection that we must take part of FIRST before we physically die (or the rapture) else we are going to hell. Period!

Does this make sense to you? Only to those who hold the Holy Scriptures as authoritative. Selah.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Since your mind (all millennialists) is always fixed on that which is physical, you seem not to be able to understand that the only way mankind shall also be bodily resurrected from the grave immortal & incorruptible like Christ, is that we must partake of His resurrection life before we die. That means we MUST be born again before we can know or enter into the Kingdom of God that came with Christ when He walked this earth a mortal man.

Bingo!

 

[David in NJ]

Bingo!

No one refutes this as it is crystal clear.

Why then do you refute what also is crystal clear = 1,000 Literal Years that Begin with the Second Coming

 

[Zao is life]

@Stewardofthemystery @David in NJ @Davidpt @ewq1938

Don't overlook how much Amillennialism corrupts the gospel. It corrupts the gospel with regard to all of the following:

The Kingdom of Christ

Acts 1:6-8
"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own authority.
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Matthew 24:14
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

John 18:36
"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but NOW is my kingdom not from hence."

Revelation 11:15
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Quickened and raised with Christ

The Spirit of Christ did not die. His body died, and He descended into hades, but His body was quickened (zōopoiéō) by the Spirit, and He egeiro (rose again bodily) from the dead.

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins,

(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō) and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

Note:

Ephesians 2:5 has been translated into English by Bible translators as "we WERE dead in sins", yet Colossians 2:13, Colossians 3:3, and Romans 8:10 tell us that we ARE dead in sins:

Colossians 3:3:
For ye are dead, and your life [zōḗ] is hid with Christ in God.

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

(The word synegeírō is referring to the resurrection of the body from the dead).

Colossians 3:4:
When Christ, who is our life [zōḗ], shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

We are dead in sins (our bodies are dead in sins) but God has quickened our dead bodies together with Christ's quickening (syzōopoiéō) (He is the last Adam) which took place when He was quickened by the Spirit, and God has raised us up bodily (synegeírō) together with Christ (the last Adam). Therefore God has "made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6):

So we have been ".. buried with him in baptism, wherein also you are all risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened together with him (syzōopoiéō), having forgiven you all trespasses." (Colossians 2:12-13).

Colossians 3:1-4
"If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."

Born of the Spirit

"And Jacob begat [gennao] Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." -- Matthew 1:16

"Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived [gennao] in her is of the Holy Ghost." -- Matthew 1:20

Genesis 1:1 & 26-27, and Genesis 2:7 tell us that when YHVH God created [bara] man,

(A) He formed [yatsar] man of the dust of the ground; and

(B) breathed (naphach) into his nostrils the breath (nshamah) of life (chay); and

(C) the man became [H1961 haya] a living (chay) soul (nephesh).

"The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice,
but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes;
so is everyone who is born [γεννάω gennáō] of the Spirit."
-- John 3:8.

"That which is born [gennáō] of the flesh (body) is flesh,
and that which is born [gennáō] of the Spirit is spirit."
( John 3:6).

Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born [gennáō] from above | from the first (anothen), he cannot see the kingdom of God. Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born [gennáō] from above | from the first (anothen)." -- John 3:3 & 6-7.

Strongs Greek 509 anothen
from 507; from above; by analogy, from the first; by implication, anew:--from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top. see GREEK for 507

So the Greek word gennao can refer to a human life which is conceived, as well as to a human life which is born, but whether conceived or born, what takes place is not a (dead) human life being "regenerated or resurrected or quickened": it's conceived or born from the first, the beginning.

Examples:

From the first, the beginning (anothen)

"It seemed good to me also, following all things accurately from the very first [anothen], to write to you in order, most excellent Theophilus" -- Luke 1:3

"My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews; Which knew me from the beginning [anothen], if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee." -- Acts 26:4-5

"But now, after that all of you have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn all of you again to the weak and beggarly elements, unto which all of you desire again [anothen - from the beginning] to be in bondage?" -- Galatians 4:9

From the top:-

Matthew 27:51 (parallel Mark 15:38). "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top [anothen] to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent." -- Matthew 27:51.

From above:

"He that comes from above [anothen] is above [epano] all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above [epano] all." -- John 3:31.

Revelation 20:4-6 is not referring to anyone who has been born again, nor is it referring to anyone who has been "spiritually" quickened, nor is it referring to anyone who John did NOT see as alive in the body after having been beheaded, nor is it referring to a "spiritual" resurrection. Amillennialism has had to corrupt all these scriptures in order to force the gospel to comply with Amil theology.

 

[rwb]

No one refutes this as it is crystal clear.

Why then do you refute what also is crystal clear = 1,000 Literal Years that Begin with the Second Coming

Only the unlearned, perhaps mere babes in Christ would continue to argue for that which the Bible does not support! You have your pride and doctrine to uphold, and apparently you will continue to do that in spite of the fact that your doctrine is easily proven to be Unbiblical!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Why then do you refute what also is crystal clear = 1,000 Literal Years that Begin with the Second Coming

Nothing "I" say makes the statement false. Your statement is false because it's Not True! That's a fact. You don't take the Bible literally (as you claimed) because you know perfectly well that it is nonsensical to attempt to take it literally. You pick and choose what you want to take literally, and what you want to take figuratively from chapter to chapter, and often from verse to verse. For example, you mentioned Revelation 20 but you take the 1000 years of Revelation chapter 20 literally, but then you turn right around and take the Red Dragon and its horns ruling the nations (in the very same verse) very "figuratively". So I repeat, anyone claiming to be the "GROUP" that takes the Bible literally, while taking it figuratively like everyone else when it suits their purpose, is not being honest with themselves. Russia is not in the Bible, but many Premillennialists see Russia as Gog and Magog there. That certainly is not taking the Bible literally. Seeing nuclear bombs in scripture is certainly not taking the Bible literally, nor seeing locusts with men's faces coming out of a pit. It's not literal, and yet you want to go to that very same book of Symbolism, and take the thousand years as literal. In a phrase, that is unquestionably taking an unsound hermeneutic!

Selah!

 

[David in NJ]

Only the unlearned, perhaps mere babes in Christ would continue to argue for that which the Bible does not support! You have your pride and doctrine to uphold, and apparently you will continue to do that in spite of the fact that your doctrine is easily proven to be Unbiblical!

Well, even being a babe in Christ understand that pride and religion will not yield to "it is written".

You are doing the SAME thing as the pre-fibbers = refusing to acknowledge the Scriptures which expose amil error.

Why hold unto 'respect of persons' and man-made denominations when you could be FREE to Believe all things that God has spoken.

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely,
does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity,
but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Today, you can set yourself FREE by going to the LORD and asking Him to release you from anything which disagrees with His words.

i did many years ago and continue to make this my prayer to CHRIST in all things so that i do not miss out on His TRUTH.

This is the WAY for us to follow:
"They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth."

 

[David in NJ]

Nothing "I" say makes the statement false. Your statement is false because it's Not True! That's a fact. You don't take the Bible literally (as you claimed) because you know perfectly well that it is nonsensical to attempt to take it literally. You pick and choose what you want to take literally, and what you want to take figuratively from chapter to chapter, and often from verse to verse. For example, you mentioned Revelation 20 but you take the 1000 years of Revelation chapter 20 literally, but then you turn right around and take the Red Dragon and its horns ruling the nations (in the very same verse) very "figuratively". So I repeat, anyone claiming to be the "GROUP" that takes the Bible literally, while taking it figuratively like everyone else when it suits their purpose, is not being honest with themselves. Russia is not in the Bible, but many Premillennialists see Russia as Gog and Magog there. That certainly is not taking the Bible literally. Seeing nuclear bombs in scripture is certainly not taking the Bible literally, nor seeing locusts with men's faces coming out of a pit. It's not literal, and yet you want to go to that very same book of Symbolism, and take the thousand years as literal. In a phrase, that is unquestionably taking an unsound hermeneutic!

Selah!

Do this for us = so that Christ is pleased with us

Take time and carefully review - Thank You

Heaven to earth = God is concerned about His physical creation from Genesis.

Which includes:
a.) the earth, the trees, all plants, the entire biosphere
b.) sun
c.) moon
d.) stars
e.) waters/oceans/rivers/lakes/streams/ponds and wells
f.) animals = all of them
g.) MANKIND made in His image

God is so CONCERNED about His physical creation that HE placed us here in it with a physical body.

Now when He had departed from there, He went into their synagogue. And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—that they might accuse Him.

Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” Then He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and it was restored as whole as the other. Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him.

Maybe you are so spiritual that you are becoming a pharisee, who hates anything physical like the physical healings JESUS still does!!!

Have you ever been sick and in need of physical healing?
Have you ever been hungry and in need of physical food?
Have you ever been thirsty and in need of physical water for you physical body?
Have you ever been cold in need of physical clothing?

After all - what does God know anyway???

Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’
For after all these things the Gentiles seek.
For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

The old saying is True = 'FATHER knows BEST'


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The IMPORTANCE of the Literal Truth of the Physical Realm and how God interacts and Judges by that which we do in the Physical.

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


TRUTH = The SPIRITUAL FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT judges by the physical elements of His Creation and what we do with them.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

So when i say to you "CHRIST Alone is the First Resurrection" it also includes everyone who is IN CHRIST.

That I can agree with.

 

[David in NJ]

That I can agree with.

It took a little time but we were able to be patient with each other and allow the Holy Scriptures to have Priority.

We both WIN when we choose not to sin
We both Grow when we submit to His KNOW
We both are Strengthened when we love the Brethren