The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

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Stewardofthemystery

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We are interpreting the words differently than you and not purposely adding to or taking away from the words of the book.
You are purposely trying to take the meaning of the first resurrection that is future as it is written in Rev. 20: 5-6 and change it to mean it is only about Jesus alone being raised from the dead, which is past.

You have been warned numerous times.
 
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News Flash... what death did Christ rise up from? Humm? Was it his physical death, or the second death that Christ suffered on our behalf?

Can you hear me now? sml

We all already received spiritual death (first death) that was passed down from Adam and Eve. We was not saved until Christ, as God in flesh, came to die on our behalf. So when we believe in Christ and His resurrection, we are "made alive" at that moment, not sometime in the future! That is why it is a blessing and holy that we took part in the First Resurrection with Christ. Simply by BELEIVING in Him which is why we were BORN AGAIN and made spiritually alive from our spiritual death from within our body of death! We do not have to wait for the resurrection in the future after some of us have physically died. The premillennialism doctrine of "physical resurrection" for the Elect is wrong.
Christ did not suffer a second death.

He died once and does not die again.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Mathew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.



The second death consists of both soul and body destroyed in hell.
 
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More proof that you reject the prophecy of the dead in Christ being raised.

Because you do not understand HOW the dead in Christ rose. The chosen Elect ALREADY had the first resurrection the moment they were saved (born again) WHILE in the body of sin! If and when their physical bodies finally die, their resurrected soul simply transfer into heaven and contiune reign with Christ as the rest of the living Christians on Earth do. Not "physically resurrected" from stinky bodies in the grave because they were already resurrected in Christ. Their bodies remains in the grave or whatever it may be.
 

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News Flash... what death did Christ rise up from? Humm? Was it his physical death, or the second death that Christ suffered on our behalf?

Can you hear me now? sml
The first death is to the physical body, the second death is to the soul/spirit.

Jesus’ physical body died and was raised up, His Spirit was still alive. It is BY the Holy Spirit that the physical body of Jesus was raised up, as it is the same with the dead in Christ having their mortal bodies raised up immortal by His Spirit.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you
 
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Because you do not understand HOW the dead in Christ rose. The chosen Elect ALREADY had the first resurrection
There it is again, calling the first resurrection past.

2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
 
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The first death is to the physical body, the second death is to the soul/spirit.

Wrongo!

The first death is a spiritual death that Adam and Eve have passed down to all mankind. This is what Christ came to SAVE US FROM! Not physical death! Selah! We also went on a great commission with power to preach gospel to deliver the souls from SECOND DEATH! Not physical death. Get it? Selah!

Do you even know exactly what is the Second Death (lake of fire) which the death thrown into, humm?

Rev 20:14
(14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


Jesus’ physical body died and was raised up, His Spirit was still alive. It is BY the Holy Spirit that the physical body of Jesus was raised up, as it is the same with the dead in Christ having their mortal bodies raised up immortal by His Spirit.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you

Please read the context:

Romans 8:10-15

  • "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
  • But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
  • Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
  • For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
  • For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
  • For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."
Meaning: It means that the same power that raised Jesus from the dead, the Holy Spirit, lives within believers and can give life and vitality to their physical bodies, even though they are mortal, through its presence and influence in their lives.

Key points:

"Quickening": This word means to make alive or to give life to something.

"Mortal Bodies": Refers to our physical bodies which are subject to death.

"His Spirit that dwelleth in you": This refers to the Holy Spirit, which Christians believe resides WITHIN THEM after they accept Jesus Christ

Interpreation: This verse is often used to emphasize the transformative power of the Holy Spirit in a believers' life on Earth, allowing them to live a more purposeful and spiritually alive existence even while in their sinful p physical bodies.

Selah!
 

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There it is again, calling the first resurrection past.

2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Man! Don't you learn how to read the context first instead of taking the verse OUT of context to protect your flawed interpretation?! Do you even know what Paul wrote about?!

2nd Timothy 2:18-20
  • "Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
  • Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
  • But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour."
The foundation of the Church is sealed or secure in the truth that God is not mocked. He knows who are truly His building blocks in the Church, and who are just along for the ride. Some of the Covenant Church are precious unto the Lord, and others in that same Church are vessels unto dishonor. This is what Paul was talking about!
 

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Man! Don't you learn how to read the context first instead of taking the verse OUT of context to protect your flawed interpretation?! Do you even know what Paul wrote about?!

Yes, he warned us about people like you who say the first resurrection is past.

Proof…
TribulationSigns said:
Because you do not understand HOW the dead in Christ rose. The chosen Elect ALREADY had the first resurrection( end quote)
 

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It does not say they were bodily resurrected. Look up the Greek word "zao" and see how it is used in scripture. It's not a word to describe someone being bodily resurrected, but rather describes someone being alive and living. It's a reference to the souls of the dead in Christ living and reigning with Christ in heaven.

Jesus taught that the saved and lost would be resurrected in the same hour and not a long time apart as you believe. Why do you ignore that? Do you not care if your interpretation of Revelation 20 lines up with the rest of scripture or not?

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

All one has to do is compare Revelation 20:4 with the following passages, like such, then think outside the box some, and if it wasn't already crystal clear what is meant in Revelation 20:4, it should be now. Unless of course, one brings doctrinal bias into it and places their doctrines above Scripture rather than equals Scripture.

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive(zao) for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive(zao) ;

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived(zao) and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The comparison might look like this.

I am he that liveth(zao)(is currently alive), and was dead(was literally physically dead prior to now being currently alive)and, behold, I am alive(zao) for evermore(meaning after He physically died first and then lived again(I am he that liveth), He lives again, this time for forever(I am alive(zao) for evermore), explained by being bodily raised from the dead then putting on bodily immortality the moment He rose from the dead)

These things saith the first and the last, which was dead(was literally physically dead prior to now being currently alive), and is alive(zao)(meaning after He physically died first and then lived again, He lives again, this time for forever, explained by being bodily raised from the dead then putting on bodily immortality the moment He rose from the dead)

Let's now use the following template and apply it to those in Revelation 20:4---I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore. Then tell us why this template can only fit Christ but cannot also fit anyone recorded in Revelation 20:4?

I am he that liveth( currently alive--and they lived(zao)-Revelation 20:4), and was dead(were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands),

I am alive for evermore(this is the first resurrection-Revelation 20:4, and just like Christ bodily rose from the dead after being physically martyred, so do I, meaning the martyrs John saw in verse 4.

And just like Christ lived again(zao) bodily and forever after having been martyred first, so do I, meaning the martyrs in verse 4.

And when will I live again(zao) just like Christ lived again(zao) bodily and forever, meaning the martyrs John sees in verse 4?

When I too am bodily raised from the dead, in my case, it will be at the last trump, that being when the dead in Christ rise first during the first resurrection, not to be confused with the 2nd resurrection involving when the rest of the dead live bodily again after the thousand years, I live(zao) bodily again at the beginning of the thousand years, meaning the martyrs John sees in verse 4.

Therefore, Amils are wrong when they insist John neglected to mention my bodily resurrection in Revelation 20 as well, meaning the martyrs John sees in verse 4, because he did indeed mention it, he mentioned it in Revelation 20:4-6, meaning the first resurrection when I live again bodily and then first reign with Christ a thousand literal years once Christ returns and that He then takes full control of this planet at the 7th trumpet, the last trump.

Therefore, do not let Amils deceive you into thinking John neglected to mention my bodily resurrection in Revelation 20 as well. I have already proved I remained faithful to Christ until the end, since I too was martyred for being faithful. Therefore, I deserve to be bodily resurrected unto immortality just like Christ was bodily resurrected unto immortality by He too remaining faithful to the end, the end meaning unto His death, and meaining unto to my death, meaning the martys John sees in verse 4.

And when will I too put on bodily immortality? Revelation 20:4-6 tells you exactly when, it is when the first resurrection takes place, not to be confused with the 2nd resurrection when the rest of the dead live again after the thousand years, when the dead in Christ rise first, including me, meaning the martyrs John sees in verse 4, when I rise at the 7th trumpet, the last trump, at the beginning of the thousand years, and not after the thousand years instead as Amils would have you believe. I already live again at the beginning of the the thousand years. No one needs to live again more than one time. One time is sufficient. Christ certainly never lived again more than one time, so neither will I.
 
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Jesus said I am the Resurrection and the Life. Jesus also said I am the way, the truth, and the Life.

All the above identify who the Son of God Jesus Christ truly is, and it also reveals His relationship with the Father. Which I will get to in a bit

But notice Jesus did not say I am the first resurrection. The term the first resurrection is only used in Revelation 20:5-6. But Amils are trying to conflate the words of Jesus as being The Resurrection with the definition of the first resurrection as described in Revelation 20:5-6.

So what is the difference? When Jesus Christ said I am The Resurrection and The Life Jesus was revealing to us who He was, which is in Truth The very Word of God made flesh.

It is God’s Word that gives Life. It is God’s Word that is the way, the truth, and the Life. And it is God’s Word that is The Resurrection.

So both the first resurrection and the second resurrection happen by God’s Word calling them from death to life, which is why Jesus said He is The Resurrection and The Life.

But Amils don’t understand this, which why they call Jesus’ resurrection the first resurrection. But before Jesus was resurrected dead people were raised from the dead even before Jesus came, and even while he was on earth, and also after Jesus ascended into heaven.

And all those who were raised from physical death were all raised by the Word of God, which is The Resurrection and The Life.

So knowing the difference between The Resurrection and the Life and the first resurrection of the dead in Christ will keep you being led astray by the false doctrines of men.

Peace and God bless
You post is completely off-base when you say: "But notice Jesus did not say I am the first resurrection."

Who was the First to Resurrect unto Eternal Life in a Glorified Body = take a WILD guess = LJC

Who is the One who Resurrects all who died in HIM = take another WILD guess = LJC

Who is the One who ALONE is the Way the Truth the Life and the Resurrection = one more WILD guess = LJC
 

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All one has to do is compare Revelation 20:4 with the following passages, like such, then think outside the box some, and if it wasn't already crystal clear what is meant in Revelation 20:4, it should be now. Unless of course, one brings doctrinal bias into it and places their doctrines above Scripture rather than equals Scripture.

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive(zao) for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive(zao) ;

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived(zao) and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The comparison might look like this.

I am he that liveth(zao)(is currently alive), and was dead(was literally physically dead prior to now being currently alive)and, behold, I am alive(zao) for evermore(meaning after He physically died first and then lived again(I am he that liveth), He lives again, this time for forever(I am alive(zao) for evermore), explained by being bodily raised from the dead then putting on bodily immortality the moment He rose from the dead)

These things saith the first and the last, which was dead(was literally physically dead prior to now being currently alive), and is alive(zao)(meaning after He physically died first and then lived again, He lives again, this time for forever, explained by being bodily raised from the dead then putting on bodily immortality the moment He rose from the dead)

Let's now use the following template and apply it to those in Revelation 20:4---I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore. Then tell us why this template can only fit Christ but cannot also fit anyone recorded in Revelation 20:4?

I am he that liveth( currently alive--and they lived(zao)-Revelation 20:4), and was dead(were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands),

I am alive for evermore(this is the first resurrection-Revelation 20:4, and just like Christ bodily rose from the dead after being physically martyred, so do I, meaning the martyrs John saw in verse 4.

And just like Christ lived again(zao) bodily and forever after having been martyred first, so do I, meaning the martyrs in verse 4.

And when will I live again(zao) just like Christ lived again(zao) bodily and forever, meaning the martyrs John sees in verse 4?

When I too am bodily raised from the dead, in my case, it will be at the last trump, that being when the dead in Christ rise first during the first resurrection, not to be confused with the 2nd resurrection involving when the rest of the dead live bodily again after the thousand years, I live(zao) bodily again at the beginning of the thousand years, meaning the martyrs John sees in verse 4.

Therefore, Amils are wrong when they insist John neglected to mention my bodily resurrection in Revelation 20 as well, meaning the martyrs John sees in verse 4, because he did indeed mention it, he mentioned it in Revelation 20:4-6, meaning the first resurrection when I live again bodily and then first reign with Christ a thousand literal years once Christ returns and that He then takes full control of this planet at the 7th trumpet, the last trump.

Therefore, do not let Amils deceive you into thinking John neglected to mention my bodily resurrection in Revelation 20 as well. I have already proved I remained faithful to Christ until the end, since I too was martyred for being faithful. Therefore, I deserve to be bodily resurrected unto immortality just like Christ was bodily resurrected unto immortality by He too remaining faithful to the end, the end meaning unto His death, and meaining unto to my death, meaning the martys John sees in verse 4.

And when will I too put on bodily immortality? Revelation 20:4-6 tells you exactly when, it is when the first resurrection takes place, not to be confused with the 2nd resurrection when the rest of the dead live again after the thousand years, when the dead in Christ rise first, including me, meaning the martyrs John sees in verse 4, when I rise at the 7th trumpet, the last trump, at the beginning of the thousand years, and not after the thousand years instead as Amils would have you believe. I already live again at the beginning of the the thousand years. No one needs to live again more than one time. One time is sufficient. Christ certainly never lived again more than one time, so neither will I.
Come on now you are being Way 2 Scripturally Specific and that is not fair!

Are you using CLIFF Notes from Daniel chapter 2 ???

You know, being precise AND truthful in the Scriptures is "the Way the Truth and the Life"

SomeOne has a Copyright on that phrase so be careful
 

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News Flash... what death did Christ rise up from? Humm? Was it his physical death, or the second death that Christ suffered on our behalf?

Can you hear me now? sml

We all already received spiritual death (first death) that was passed down from Adam and Eve. We was not saved until Christ, as God in flesh, came to die on our behalf. So when we believe in Christ and His resurrection, we are "made alive" at that moment, not sometime in the future! That is why it is a blessing and holy that we took part in the First Resurrection with Christ. Simply by BELEIVING in Him which is why we were BORN AGAIN and made spiritually alive from our spiritual death from within our body of death! We do not have to wait for the resurrection in the future after some of us have physically died. The premillennialism doctrine of "physical resurrection" for the Elect is wrong.
or the second death that Christ suffered on our behalf?
Do you really believe this?

If you do you need to post at least one scripture that is directly stating this.

We do not have to wait for the resurrection in the future after some of us have physically died. The premillennialism doctrine of "physical resurrection" for the Elect is wrong.
And this is heresy = which is WRONG
 

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You are purposely trying to take the meaning of the first resurrection that is future as it is written in Rev. 20: 5-6 and change it to mean it is only about Jesus alone being raised from the dead, which is past.

You have been warned numerous times.

Though, I don't agree with his interpretation of the first resurrection recorded in Revelation 20:4-6, the manner in which you insist he is applying is not the manner he is applying it, though. He apparently thinks John simply neglected to mention the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ in Revelation 20:4, yet still believes that the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ is still future just like you and I believe it is still future. He just doesn't think the first resurrection recorded in Revelation 20 is meaning the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ in the future at the last trump is all.

Per his position, the last trump would be meaning after the thousand years, not prior to it. Therefore, assuming that scenario, it is perfectly reasonable, even if he is wrong, for him to not be taking the first resurrection to be meaning the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ who rise first in the future. The same way, assuming a Premil scenario, it is perfectly reasonable, even if the Premil is wrong, for the Premil to be taking the first resurrection to be meaning the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ who rise first in the future, the fact the Premil, unlike the Amil, has the thousand years meaning after Christ returns.

Even if Amil is wrong about the first resurrection, it is not fair, thus is unreasonable to apply 2 Timothy 2:18 to Amils. Amils, such as @Spiritual Jew, even if they are wrong about Revelation 20:4-6, are not even remotely doing what 2 Timothy 2:18 is pertaining to. Because if they were, how can they be insisting the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ is still future, therefore, not in the past like what is recorded in 2 Timothy 2:18? By you applying 2 Timothy 2:18 to them is clearly contradicting the fact that they too, just like you and I do, take the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ to still be a future event that hasn't been fulfilled yet. Therefore, they couldn't possibly be doing, not even remotely, what 2 Timothy 2:18 is pertaining to. Because if they are, I guess you and I are too, since we all agree, including these Amils, the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ is still future and not already in the past instead.
 
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Man! Don't you learn how to read the context first instead of taking the verse OUT of context to protect your flawed interpretation?! Do you even know what Paul wrote about?!

2nd Timothy 2:18-20
  • "Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
  • Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
  • But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour."
The foundation of the Church is sealed or secure in the truth that God is not mocked. He knows who are truly His building blocks in the Church, and who are just along for the ride. Some of the Covenant Church are precious unto the Lord, and others in that same Church are vessels unto dishonor. This is what Paul was talking about!
2nd Timothy 2:18-20
  • "Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
If you speak against the Resurrection of the dead in Christ you commit FRAUD

FRAUD:
  1. A deception practiced in order to induce another to give up possession of property or surrender a right.
  2. A piece of trickery; a trick.
  3. One that defrauds; a cheat.
 
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Jesus was the first to conquer death as a human, and all who believe partake of that to Eternal life and inevitable Glorification when we are born again. Those cannot be hurt by the second death.

24 “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the person who hears My word [the one who heeds My message], and believes and trusts in Him who sent Me, has (possesses now) eternal life [that is, eternal life actually begins—the believer is transformed], and does not come into judgment and condemnation, but has passed [over] from death into life.
25 I assure you and most solemnly say to you, a time is coming and is [here] now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear it will live.

Rev 20
6 Blessed (happy, prosperous, to be admired) and holy is the person who takes part in the first resurrection; over these the second death [which is eternal separation from God, the lake of fire] has no power or authority,
Two DIFFERENT Scriptures speaking of TWO Separate Resurrections that are BOTH an Integral and Inseparable Part of the FIRST Resurrection.
 

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Though, I don't agree with his interpretation of the first resurrection recorded in Revelation 20:4-6, the manner in which you insist he is applying is not the manner he is applying it, though. He apparently thinks John simply neglected to mention the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ in Revelation 20:4, yet still believes that the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ is still future just like you and I believe it is still future. He just doesn't think the first resurrection recorded in Revelation 20 is meaning the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ in the future at the last trump is all.

Per his position, the last trump would be meaning after the thousand years, not prior to it. Therefore, assuming that scenario, it is perfectly reasonable, even if he is wrong, for him to not be taking the first resurrection to be meaning the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ who rise first in the future. The same way, assuming a Premil scenario, it is perfectly reasonable, even if the Premil is wrong, for the Premil to be taking the first resurrection to be meaning the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ who rise first in the future, the fact the Premil, unlike the Amil, has the thousand years meaning after Christ returns.

Even if Amil is wrong about the first resurrection, it is not fair, thus is unreasonable to apply 2 Timothy 2:18 to Amils. Amils, such as @Spiritual Jew, even if they are wrong about Revelation 20:4-6, are not even remotely doing what 2 Timothy 2:18 is pertaining to. Because if they were, how can they be insisting the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ is still future, therefore, not in the past like what is recorded in 2 Timothy 2:18? By you applying 2 Timothy 2:18 to them is clearly contradicting the fact that they too, just like you and I do, take the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ to still be a future event that hasn't been fulfilled yet. Therefore, they couldn't possibly be doing, not even remotely, what 2 Timothy 2:18 is pertaining to.
Therefore, they couldn't possibly be doing, not even remotely, what 2 Timothy 2:18 is pertaining to.
Read each post CAREFULLY

Some are denying the physical bodily resurrection that Transforms us into Immortal Glorified Sons of God.

Some are claiming it has already occurred, which it has in our spirits, and yet the Bodily Resurrection must AND will take place,
in the near Future = at His Second Coming.
 

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You post is completely off-base when you say: "But notice Jesus did not say I am the first resurrection."
I don’t think so because there are those who are trying to conflate the meaning of the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 to the second resurrection.

The first resurrection is to Eternal life, the second resurrection and second death is to eternal damnation.

Now both these groups are raised by the Word of God Jesus Christ, who is The Resurrection and the Life.

John 5:28-29

King James Version

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; ( the first resurrection) and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.(second resurrection)
 
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I don’t think so because there are those who are trying to conflate the meaning of the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 to the second resurrection.

The first resurrection is to Eternal life, the second resurrection and second death is to eternal damnation.

Now both these groups are raised by the Word of God Jesus Christ, who is The Resurrection and the Life.

John 5:28-29​

King James Version​

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; ( the first resurrection) and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.(second resurrection)
I don’t think so because there are those who are trying to conflate the meaning of the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 to the second resurrection.
You are CORRECT in this.

The first resurrection is to Eternal life, the second resurrection and second death is to eternal damnation.
You are CORRECT in this.


Now both these groups are raised by the Word of God Jesus Christ, who is The Resurrection and the Life.
You are CORRECT in this.

This does not delineate in any way shape or form that the LORD Jesus Christ is the FIRST Resurrection = HIMSELF and all who belong to HIM at His Second Coming.