YOu need to learn that a nation at war can be at peace. The US in WW2, Korea and Vietnam were fighting wars but still living in peace. Israel is fighting wars but lives in peace.
Gog and Magog of Ezekiel and Revelation are not the same.
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The first beast is a man who does miracles, lying signs and wonders so he is not here yet or at least not in power yet. th eland of Israel and the people of Israel are gods possession and the Israelis are still the apple of his eye.
I showed you the verses that what is happening now in Israel is exactly according to Gods plan laid out in Scripture.
Teh mark is global.
Revelation 13:3-4
King James Version
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 14:6-9
King James Version
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
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Revelation 16
King James Version
16 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Revelation 17:11-13
King James Version
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
the bible declares you are mistaken.
Ezekiel 38-39 are pre trib up to no later than mid trib. exact dates are unknown.
As for gods protection? I guess God has not protected several billion saints who have over the 20 centuries of the church been martyred for the faith !
As for Israel, as is written, 2/3 of all Jews will die in the trib and the 1/3 left at the end of the trib will be saved!
David in NJ
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Eze ch38 pertains to the Second Coming of Christ and the Jews who have returned to the Land as Prophesied by JESUS.
Eze ch38 is a REPEATING Prophecy = it will occur TWICE
1st at His Second Coming
2nd = AFTER the 1,000 Year Reign
tailgator
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Israel doesn't live in peace.It hasn't had peace since 1948.Its been nothing but constant wars and rumors of wars.
Netanyahu has promised more war for Israel .
Netanyahu says Israel is at war
You say Israel is at peace.
Netanyahu says build more walls.
You say there are no walls.
You say Israelis are safe while they die.
tailgator
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The first beast claims to be Israel.
The name given to the son of God.
Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,
Yes the beast is deceitful.
tailgator
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The saints in Ezekiel 38-39 were resurected in Ezekiel 37.They had already died before Ezekiel 37.
After they are resurected in Ezekiel 37, they do not suffer a second death.They have everlasting life and can not be destroyed.They are safe.
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tailgator
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Ezekiel 38 is 1000 years after the second coming of Christ in Ezekiel 37.
The resurection of Israel is in Ezekiel 37 .They are brought up out of their graves.They don't come out of the graves on their own.
Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Christs reign also begins in Ezekiel 37 before Gog invades.
Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Fact is ,Christ is reigning over the resurected saints of Israel.when Gog comes against them.Ezekiel 37-39 corresponds to revelation 20
There are not two resurrections of Israel,two Messiahs,and two Gogs.
David in NJ
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CORRECT
Ezekiel 38 is a Repeating Prophecy
It will Manifest now/today as we approach the Second Coming
And will REPEAT unto COMPLETE FULFILLMENT After the 1,000 Years Prophesied by Christ in Rev ch20
There ABSOLUTELY are TWO Resurrections of Israel for there are TWO Israels = one of the flesh and the One Born of the Spirit
There are TWO distinct Israels
the one born of the flesh of Abraham = flesh born Jews
the One Born of the Spirit thru the Faith of Abraham = Genesis, GOSPEL, Galatians
The flesh of Abraham are current day Jerusalem/Israel, Jews of the flesh who are not part of the Eternal Kingdom of God in Jesus Christ
The Spirit Born sons and daughters of Abraham consist of every tribe tongue and nation that is in CHRIST = GOSPEL
The flesh always persecutes the Spirit = we SEE this as the flesh Jews/Jerusalem/Israel persecuted the Spirit Israel which is CHRIST
We SEE the flesh Jews/Jerusalem/Israel persecuting the REAL Spirit Born Jews in Acts = Read chapter 7
The First ISRAEL that Rose from the Grave is CHRIST
The second Israel to Rise from the Grave are all those who died while BELIEVING the WORD that was God from the Beginning.
Do you believe that all Jews of the flesh will be resurrected unto Eternal Life?
When JESUS spoke of the Resurrection, did HE not say that SOME will be unto Eternal Life
while others will be unto damnation!
Was JESUS only speaking of Gentiles who will be damned or did HE include the Jews who have rejected HIM just as SOME of their fathers rejected Moses.
If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not [e]true. 32There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. 33You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. 35He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. 36But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. 37And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. 38But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
41“I do not receive honor from men. 42But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. 43I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Spiritual Israelite
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Try reading the New Testament for once. It says that Gentile believers are fellow heirs with saved Jews of God's promises (Ephesians 3:1-16). And Peter said we are looking for the new heavens and new earth in accordance with Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:13) and that includes saved Jews. Dispensationalists like yourself have no understanding of the New Testament at all. The NT authors did not share your understanding of the Old Testament, that's for sure.
tailgator
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Ezekiel 38 is not a repeating prophecy.
Ezekiel 38 takes place 1000 years after the war of Armegeddon when the beast which now calls itself Israel is destroyed and it's body cast into a fire.
The only people in the land of Israel who are not cast into the fire are the christians who do not worship the beast,it's image nor receive it's mark.
They are the Israel that is resurected in the first resurection in Ezekiel 37 and Revelation 20.
Y'all going to be amazed when Iran and the ten horns overwhelm aspostate Israel and the United States armed forces in Israel here in about 4 years from now.Not even the man of sin ,Donald Trump will be able to save Israel as he says he will.
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tailgator
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This is what will happen in Israel in a few years . And it's not Ezekiel 38.
Ezekiel 9
9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.
2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.
3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof
5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?
9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.
10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.
11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.
David in NJ
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We are in the beginning stages of Zechariah chapter 14:1-2
Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem
The SAME nations in Ezekiel 38 are involved in this CONFLICT
tailgator
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No they are not.
The nations in zech 14 are Israel's immediate neighbors such as Egypt ,Syria,Iraq,Lebanon,Saudi Arabia,Jordan.
None of these nations come against Israel in Ezekiel 38 because these nations are destroyed long before Ezekiel 38.
Zech 14 even talks about Egypt ,but Ezekiel 38 does not .Egypt will not be able to come against Israel in Ezekiel 38 because it is utterly laid waste in Ezekiel 29,1000 years before Ezekiel 38 and will never recover to its former strength.
Ezekiel 29
10 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia.
11 No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years.
12 And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.
13 Yet thus saith the Lord God; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered:
14 And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom.
15 It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations.
God makes Egypt so weak it can't exalt itself ever again and yet you say Egypt will accompany Gog in Ezekiel 38 when it can't.Ethiopia and Libya ,northern parts of Turkey,and Persia will invade in Ezekiel 38 but not Egypt,Jordan,Syria, Saudi Arabia,Iraq,or southern Turkey.Lebanon.
Gaza and Palestine will also not exist during the millinium and also do not invade after the millinium.
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tailgator
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This is the millinial kingdom after the ten Islamic horns are destroyed.
These nations do not accompany Gog in Ezekiel 38.
Isaiah 19
18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the Lord of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.
20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
21 And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.
22 And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
The nations from Assyria to Egypt do not come against Israel in Ezekiel 38.Only the countries outside of that realm come against Israel after the millinium.
David in NJ
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tailgator
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Russia does not take part in Armegeddon.
Turkey does and turkey will be destroyed.Southrrn turkey is incorporated into the kingdom of Israel during the millinium The promised land stretch from the Euphrates to the Nile .None of the countries within that realm come against Israel after the millinium.
Russia does not attack the United States armed forces in Israel before the millinium.Russia does not take part in Armegeddon against Israel and the US.Russia sits this one out.
David in NJ
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Russia is part of it even now.
RUSSIA is a ALLY which means they are PART of the group of nations whom God will draw against Jerusalem.
i HOPE you are praying that the USA does go against Israel as well.
Have you also forgotten the United Nations and their condemnation of Israel.
There is a Bigger Picture developing that fulfills Prophecy that is including nations not specifically named in the OT,
because those nations are here NOW TODAY.
Whatever nations fund with Money and Weapons the surrounding nations who are attacking Israel are part of those nations in Zechariah ch14 and GOD will Judge them as well.
If i pay someone to commit a murder without me being there = i am still GUILTY of murder!!!
If i supply weapons to the enemies of Israel then i am complicit with those nations who come against Israel.
tailgator
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No,the United states will support the antichrist Israeli government beast till it's very end.
But Russia sits out Armageddon.
Armegeddon is when Israel's Muslim neighbors attacks the antichrist Israel and kills everyone in Israel who worships the antichrist government they have chosen after rejecting Christ(God's appointed king of Israel,)
David in NJ
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Russia is not sitting this out as they have troops and weapons and ships already over their.
The current nation Israel is indeed antichrist just as much as our current nation is antichrist.
Thus the REASON why God is going to draw nations against Jerusalem/Israel.
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