Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[covenantee]

Ok, were are the 3.5 billion people that have to die in Daniel's 70th week buried?

The entire world population at the end of the 70th week in AD 34 was less than 200 million.

 

[Keraz]

The 70th week began in AD 27 and ended in AD 34. Christ was crucified in AD 30, "in the midst of the week". Daniel 9:27

No theory. "Proven historical facts." A determined 70th week, and 70 weeks.

Daniel 12- 1290 and 1335 days. and Revelation 11, 12 & 13, 1260, give us exact days to fit in that 70th week. -Also 42 months and 3 1/2 years; Time. times and half a time.
Show the scripture or the historical record of their fulfilment. Dates commencing and the date the seven years finished.

I know you can't, so your PRETERIST rubbish is refuted.

 

[covenantee]

Daniel 12- 1290 and 1335 days. and Revelation 11, 12 & 13, 1260, give us exact days to fit in that 70th week. -Also 42 months and 3 1/2 years; Time. times and half a time.
Show the scripture or the historical record of their fulfilment. Dates commencing and the date the seven years finished.

I know you can't, so your PRETERIST rubbish is refuted.

The absolute gibberish of Darby Scofield deluded dispensational futurized fantasy, fallacy, and folly.

I thought you were smarter than that. I was wrong. Please forgive me.

I've presented the beginning and ending dates of the determined 70th week.

Something you're utterly incapable of with your hallucinatory decapitated orphaned undetermined week.

 

[Keraz]

I've presented the beginning and ending dates of the determined 70th week.

You have not. Prove that there was an exact 3 1/2 years, 42 months or 1260 days from Jesus' birth to His death.
Then show what occurred after another exact 3 1/2 years, 42 months or 1260 days.

Reverting to character assassination displays your character.

 

[covenantee]

You have not. Prove that there was an exact 3 1/2 years, 42 months or 1260 days from Jesus' birth to His death.
Then show what occurred after another exact 3 1/2 years, 42 months or 1260 days.

Reverting to character assassination displays your character.

How about you first show us the beginning and ending dates of your determined 70th week.

 

[Atarah]

The only Way for a Jew or Gentile to come into Salvation is thru the Promised MESSIAH = LORD Jesus Christ.

This will NEVER change, for there is no Eternal Righteousness/Salvation apart from the LORD Jesus Christ.

Biblical Judaism 101 - Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Agreed. When the Jews awake to realize that Yeshua was/is their Messiah Judaism will teach that Yeshua is the only way.

 

[David in NJ]

Agreed. When the Jews awake to realize that Yeshua was/is their Messiah Judaism will teach that Yeshua is the only way.

HalleluYAH

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
32For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

33Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

34“For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35“Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
36For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to be SAVED by God's Eternal Righteousness which is = the Lord Jesus Christ.

No fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 in CHRIST means no Salvation for the Jew nor for the Gentile.

Absolutely. Dispensationalists don't understand that Daniel 9:24 cannot be fulfilled without the shed blood of Christ. How else can reconciliation for iniquity be made, for example? No other way. So, Christ's death MUST fall within the 70 weeks somewhere (we know it's in the 70th week), but they deny this.

 

[David in NJ]

Absolutely. Dispensationalists don't understand that Daniel 9:24 cannot be fulfilled without the shed blood of Christ. How elese can reconciliation for iniquity be made, for example? No other way. So, Christ's death MUST fall within the 70 weeks somewhere (we know it's in the 70th week), but they deny this.

Good Morning and thank you for the response.

i just now edited my post as i realized that i left out two important words "apart from"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Agreed. When the Jews awake to realize that Yeshua was/is their Messiah Judaism will teach that Yeshua is the only way.

Totally disagree. Judaism is a false religion and will never teach that. Christianity has already been teaching that for the past almost 2,000 years during which all Jews have had the opportunity to be saved. Even in Paul's day some of those who were blinded ended up being saved, as the following passage indicates.

Romans 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring! 13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.

In verse 11 here, Paul is referring to the ones who were blinded in his day and asked if they had stumbled to the point of falling beyond recovery and he said that they hadn't. He went on to say that he hoped to help save some of them. So, the idea that their blindness couldn't be removed until some time in the future is false.

 

[David in NJ]

Absolutely. Dispensationalists don't understand that Daniel 9:24 cannot be fulfilled without the shed blood of Christ. How elese can reconciliation for iniquity be made, for example? No other way. So, Christ's death MUST fall within the 70 weeks somewhere (we know it's in the 70th week), but they deny this.

No other way but The WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

These are proven historical facts.

Preterism is when someone says all the Prophesies are fulfilled, excepting the glorious Return of Jesus and The AMill believers add to that by thinking that will be the end of physical mankind and the earth.
THAT is a serious rejection of much scripture and invokes the curses of Rev 22:19-20.

Stop your nonsense already. You don't have to be a preterist to recognize that Daniel 9:24-27 is fulfilled. Those verses you referenced from Revelation 22 apply to people who PURPOSELY add to or take away from the book of Revelation which no one here is doing. If those verses apply to someone then that person will experience God's wrath and their name is not in the book of life and and will end up in the lake of fire. Stop judging and condemning people or you will be judged and condemned with the same measure you are judging others (Matthew 7:1-2).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Romans 11:25-26 (NASB) "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved"

Israel's rejection of Yeshua as their Messiah has an "until" associated with it, indicating a limit on the duration. At that time, the opportunity given to the Gentiles will end. Thereafter, the only way for a Gentile to come into salvation will be through their conversion to Judaism - Zechariah 8:23 (NASB) Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”’”

This is completely false. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7). Judaism is a false antichrist religion. Nowhere does scripture teach that anyone can ever be saved any other way except through Jesus.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The only Way for a Jew or Gentile to come into Salvation is thru the Promised MESSIAH = LORD Jesus Christ.

This will NEVER change, for there is no Eternal Righteousness/Salvation apart from the LORD Jesus Christ.

Biblical Judaism 101 - Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Agree except that's not Judaism, which is a false religion. That's Christianity.

 

[David in NJ]

Agree except that's not Judaism, which is a false religion. That's Christianity.

Christ is gentilian for MESSIAH

Christianity means Followers of MESSIAH of the seed of Abraham = whose seed we are if we be in MESSIAH

When Messiah saved us by His Blood HE purchased us for His Kingdom which began in Genesis.

We Blood Washed Gentiles are adopted and grafted into the One Tree along with all believing/sanctified Jews.

Jew and Gentile in One Tree of LIFE become the "One New Man" made in the Image of God thru the MESSIAH

MOST do not understand this and therefore they do not understand Revelation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Christ is gentilian for MESSIAH

Christianity means Followers of MESSIAH of the seed of Abraham = whose seed we are if we be in MESSIAH

When Messiah saved us by His Blood HE purchased us for His Kingdom which began in Genesis.

We Blood Washed Gentiles are adopted and grafted into the One Tree along with all believing/sanctified Jews.

Jew and Gentile in One Tree of LIFE become the "One New Man" made in the Image of God thru the MESSIAH

MOST do not understand this and therefore they do not understand Revelation.

Are you telling me these things as if I said otherwise? I didn't. I'm simply telling you that what you're describing is not "Biblical Judaism 101", as you said, because Judaism is a false religion. What you're describing is Christianity and things related to Jesus and His church, not Judaism.

 

[dad]

The Israel wannabees still preaching their HATE for Israel!

God bless Israel in the Land of the Bible! Israel is home to stay!

God does not bless unbelieving terrorists.

 

[David in NJ]

Are you telling me these things as if I said otherwise? I didn't. I'm simply telling you that what you're describing is not "Biblical Judaism 101", as you said, because Judaism is a false religion. What you're describing is Christianity and things related to Jesus and His church, not Judaism.

rabbinical Judaism is a false religion

Biblical Judaism is following the 'LION of the Tribe of Judah' = Revelation 5:1-5

And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals.
Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?”
And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.

So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it. But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep.
Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.”

 

[dad]

No, it does not require anything close to that. The bones that was shown to Ezekiel a type of Israel. From 375 AD till 1948, the Jewish people were spread throughout the world with no home land in sight. Yet, This prophecy was fulfilled at that time and in 1948 Israel as a nation began. Glad to hear you believe that Prophecy will be fulfilled..

No. No more than this was in 1948
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

 

[Keraz]

How about you first show us the beginning and ending dates of your determined 70th week.

As the 70th week; is still future, no one knows the timing.

Your response is typical of those who are caught out in their false theories.
The old ploy of answering a question with another question; or demand.