Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Johann]

Im not your "buddy", little man..... and you are quoting the teaching of men, as "Greek analysis"... and you claim that is "posting scripture".

So, thats a lie.

I dont appreciate your lying or your commentary, or your pretending to be a teacher, when you are absolutely anything but this "office'.

Go wail somewhere else buddy, not here.

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

My belief, salvation is a done deal...once Born Again always Born Again.

The evening of becoming a Born Again, I received the gift of Faith, the seed of Faith was planted into my heart/ spirit.


We start the walk of faith...not an easy road, I’ve had to understand what faith actually is, for me it’s walking in faith, trusting God in every area of our lives.....believing and having the faith that can move mountains....

Knowing that God is there right beside me is so very comforting.....working everything out in every area of my life, ....discussing everything with him , asking him to keep me on his path.

It’s a lifetime of growing ,maturing in the spirit...we learn something new every day.

Praise God...just my thoughts.

 

[Behold]

My belief, salvation is a done deal...once Born Again always Born Again.

Its as "done" as the Blood of Jesus that is shed, and the Death of Jesus is accomplished... and the Resurrection of Jesus, is a Fact.

Nothing is more proven to be TRUE than the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.

Jesus told us that HE came to Die for..= all of us .. .. and He DID..................And now that He has accomplished our Salvation on The Cross, He's now waiting to come back and get all of us who are born again.


And That is so very soon..

 

[Ritajanice]

He did Brother, @Behold .....let’s Glorify his Name,

There is none so worthy of Praise than our Lord Jesus....

 

[Behold]

He did Brother, @Behold .....let’s Glorify his Name,

There is none so worthy of Praise than our Lord Jesus....

Amen, Amen and Amen.

Hallelujah !!

Thank you Jesus, Thank you Jesus, Thank you Jesus...

"oh the precious blood of Jesus"........ God's Holy Fount, God's Holy Grace, God's Precious Salvation found in every drop of Jesus's precious BLOOD.

 

[Ezra]

GREEK VERB TENSES USED FOR SALVATION

Salvation is not a product, but a daily relationship with God in Christ. It is not finished when one trusts Christ; it has only begun (an example may be a gate and then a road, cf. Matt. 7:13-14)! It is not a fire insurance policy, nor a ticket to heaven, but a life of growing Christlikeness (cf. Rom. 8:28-29; 2 Cor. 3:18; 7:1; Gal. 4:19; Eph. 1:4; 4:13; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:3,7; 5:23; 1 Pet. 1:15; see SPECIAL TOPIC: CHRISTIAN GROWTH). We have a proverbial saying in America that says the longer a couple lives together, the more they begin to look alike. This is the goal of salvation (see SPECIAL TOPIC: SALVATION [NT])! Salvation is an initial response followed by a daily response throughout life (see SPECIAL TOPIC: COVENANT ). All of the Greek VERB TENSES are used to describe NT spiritual salvation.

SALVATION AS A COMPLETED ACTION (AORIST)

 ● Acts 15:11; 16:31

 ● Romans 8:24

 ● 2 Timothy 1:9

 ● Titus 3:5

 ● Romans 13:11 (combines the AORIST with a future orientation)

SALVATION AS A STATE OF BEING BROUGHT ABOUT BY A PREVIOUS ACT (PERFECT)

 ● Ephesians 2:5,8

SALVATION AS A CONTINUING PROCESS THROUGH LIFE (PRESENT)

 ● 1 Corinthians 1:18; 15:2

 ● 2 Corinthians 2:15

 ● Philippians 2:12

 ● 1 Peter 3:21

SALVATION AS A FUTURE CONSUMMATION (FUTURE in VERB TENSE or context)

 ● Romans 5:9,10; 10:9,13

 ● 1 Corinthians 3:15; 5:5

 ● Philippians 1:28

 ● 1 Thessalonians 5:8-9

 ● Hebrews 1:14; 9:28

 ● 1 Peter 1:5

Therefore, NT salvation begins with an initial faith decision (cf. John 1:12; 3:16; Rom. 10:9-13), but this must issue in lifestyle faith (cf. Rom. 8:29; Gal. 2:19-20; Eph. 1:4; 2:10), which will one day be consummated in sight (cf. 1 John 3:2). This final state is called glorification (cf. Rom. 8:28-30). This process can be illustrated as

initial salvation ‒ justification (saved from the penalty of sin)
progressive salvation ‒ sanctification (saved from the power of sin)
final salvation ‒ glorification (saved from the presence of sin)
For a good discussion of this threefold aspect of salvation, see Dale Moody, The Word of Truth, pp. 311-313.

SPECIAL TOPIC: FAITH, BELIEVE, OR TRUST

SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK VERB TENSES USED FOR SALVATION

Salvation (Greek Verb Tenses) -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

PERSEVERE

The biblical doctrines related to the Christian life are difficult to explain because they are presented in typically eastern dialectical pairs (see SPECIAL TOPIC: EASTERN LITERATURE [biblical paradoxes]). These pairs seem contradictory, yet both are biblical. Western Christians have tended to choose one truth and ignore or depreciate the opposite truth. Let me illustrate.

Is salvation an initial decision to trust Christ or a lifetime commitment to discipleship?
Is salvation an election by means of grace from a sovereign God or mankind's believing and repentant response to a divine offer?
Is salvation, once received, impossible to lose, or is there a need for continual diligence?
 The issue of perseverance has been contentious throughout church history. The problem begins with apparently conflicting passages of the NT:

texts on assurance
statements of Jesus (John 6:37; 10:28-29)
statements of Paul (Rom. 8:35-39; Eph. 1:13; 2:5,8-9; Phil. 1:6; 2:13; 2 Thess. 3:3; 2 Tim. 1:12; 4:18)
statements of Peter ( 1 Pet. 1:4-5)
texts on the need for perseverance
statements of Jesus (Matt. 10:22; 13:1-9,24-30; 24:13; Mark 13:13; John 8:31; 15:4-10; Rev. 2:7,17,26; 3:5,12,21)
statements of Paul (Rom. 11:22; 1 Cor. 15:2; 2 Cor. 13:5; Gal. 1:6; 3:4; 5:4; 6:9; Phil. 2:12; 3:18-20; Col. 1:23; 2 Tim. 3:2)
statements of the author of Hebrews (Heb. 2:1; 3:6,14; 4:14; 6:4-12; 10:26-27)
statements of John (1 John 2:6; 2 John 9)
statement of the Father (Rev. 21:7)





The Bible is addressing two different problems in this area: (1) taking assurance as a license to live fruitless, selfish lives and (2) encouraging those who struggle with ministry and personal sin. The problem is that the wrong groups are taking the wrong message and building theological systems on limited biblical passages. Some Christians desperately need the message of assurance, while others need the stern warnings! Which group are you in?



The Calvinists line up behind those biblical texts that assert God's sovereignty and keeping-power (John 10:27-30; Rom. 8:31-39; 1 John 5:13,18; 1 Pet. 1:3-5) and VERB TENSES like the perfect passive participles of Eph. 2:5,8.

The Arminians line up behind those biblical texts that warn believers to "hold on," "hold out," or "continue" (Matt. 10:22; 24:9-13; Mark 13:13; John 15:4-6; 1 Cor. 15:2; Gal. 6:9; Rev. 2:7,11,17,26; 3:5,12,21; 21:7). I personally do not believe that Hebrews 6 and 10 are applicable, but many Arminians use them as a warning against apostasy. The parable of the Sower in Matthew 13 and Mark 4 addresses the issue of apparent belief, as does John 8:31-59. As Calvinists quote the PERFECT TENSE VERBS used to describe salvation, the Arminians quote the present tense passages like 1 Cor. 1:18; 15:2; 2 Cor. 2:15.

SPECIAL TOPIC: THE NEED TO PERSEVERE

Need to Persevere -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

J.

its does not matter what the Calvinist thing or Armenians . its thus saith teh Lord WORD OF GOD.. we are promised eternal life we are told no man can pluck us out of the fathers hand .. we are told we are kept by the Power of God. it is not a license to do as we please when we please if we please.. other facts are we do have a advocate . the big key is like the prodigal son came to his senses and returned home

 

[Ezra]

You can be a "disciple" and be this one.

= ..... "I never knew you, Depart from me".

See those @Johann ??

Those are all DISCIPLES of Christ, who were casting out Devils... "In Jesus's name".

This is why Its meaningless,.... as a DISCIPLE is a follower......is a practitioner, .. and nothing more.
Jesus defines "disciples" as.>>>"he that keeps my words".

God defines Christians as "you must be born again".

Those are not the same.

Next...

A "decision for Christ", can be .. ."and some seed fell on stony Ground"..

There are thousands of "decisions for Christ" made every Sunday, by people who in that moment, are caught up emotionally, in the sermon, but that is not the same as being convicted of your SIN, by the Holy Spirit, which leads you to REPENT from UNBELIEF.


So, you think on those, and perhaps, one day, you'll stop this endless cutting and pasting of other people's teachings, and learn for yourself, vs, posting what THEY Say.

o gezz a defender of what I believe so it must be true ? right ? WRONG

 

[JohnD]

God is mighty to save (Isaiah 63:1 / Zephaniah 3:17).

He predestines that those who believe in his Son are saved and those who do not are condemned already (John 3:18)
to everlasting life or everlasting doom (Daniel 12:2).

This distinction cannot be earned or merited (Ephesians 2:8-10) and is clearly the work of the Lord. Available to all human beings (1 Timothy 4:10 / 1 John 2:2) but can only be activated through faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:18 / Acts 4:12).

Keeping us saved is also God's doing (John 5:27-29 / 1 Corinthians 5:5) and if anyone could ever leave the faith or those their salvation, it proves that they were never saved to begin with (1 John 2:19).

It's just that simple.

Do not allow the devil to complicate what God's word clearly shows.

 

[Johann]

God is mighty to save (Isaiah 63:1 / Zephaniah 3:17).

He predestines that those who believe in his Son are saved and those who do not are condemned already (John 3:18)
to everlasting life or everlasting doom (Daniel 12:2).

This distinction cannot be earned or merited (Ephesians 2:8-10) and is clearly the work of the Lord. Available to all human beings (1 Timothy 4:10 / 1 John 2:2) but can only be activated through faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:18 / Acts 4:12).

Keeping us saved is also God's doing (John 5:27-29 / 1 Corinthians 5:5) and if anyone could ever leave the faith or those their salvation, it proves that they were never saved to begin with (1 John 2:19).

It's just that simple.

Do not allow the devil to complicate what God's word clearly shows.

Just want to add Barnes commentary.

He that believeth not - All who do not believe, whether the gospel has come to them or not. All people by nature.
Is condemned already - By conscience, by law, and in the judgment of God. God disapproves of their character, and this feeling of disapprobation, and the expression of it, is the condemnation. There is no condemnation so terrible as this - that God disapproves our conduct, and that he will express his disapprobation. He will judge according to truth, and woe to that man whose conduct God cannot approve.

Because - This word does not imply that the ground or reason of their condemnation is that they have not believed, or that they are condemned because they do not believe on him, for there are millions of sinners who have never heard of him; but the meaning is this: There is but one way by which men can be freed from condemnation. All people without the gospel are condemned. They who do not believe are still under this condemnation, not having embraced the only way by which they can be delivered from it.

The verse may be thus paraphrased: “All people are by nature condemned. There is but one way of being delivered from this state by believing on the Son of God. They who do not believe or remain in that state are still condemned, for they have not embraced the only way in which they can be freed from it. Nevertheless, those to whom the gospel comes greatly heighten their guilt and condemnation by rejecting the offers of mercy, and trampling under foot the blood of the Son of God, Luk_12:47; Mat_11:23; Heb_10:29; Pro_1:24-30. And there are thousands going to eternity under this “double” condemnation:
1. For positive, open sin; and,
2. For rejecting God’s mercy, and despising the gospel of his Son. This it is which will make the doom of sinners in Christian lands so terrible.

And Vincent-
Hath been judged already (ēdē kekritai). Perfect passive indicative of krinō.

Judgment has already been passed on the one who refuses to believe in Christ as the Saviour sent by the Father, the man who is not willing to come to Christ for life (Joh_5:40).

Because he hath not believed (hoti mē pepisteuken). Perfect active indicative of pisteuō, has taken a permanent attitude of refusal.

Here hoti mē states the reason subjectively as the judgment of the Judge in any such case (ho mē pisteuōn already mentioned) while in 1Jn_5:10 hoti ou pepisteuken gives the reason objectively (ou instead of mē) conceived as an actual case and no longer hypothetical. See Joh_1:12 for eis to onoma with pisteuō (believing on the name) and Joh_1:14 for monogenous (only begotten) and also Joh_3:16.
Joh 3:17 For γὰρ - ὁ God Θεὸς {did} not οὐ send ἀπέστειλεν - τὸν His Son Υἱὸν into εἰς the τὸν world κόσμον to ἵνα condemn κρίνῃ the τὸν world, κόσμον, but ἀλλ’ to ἵνα save σωθῇ the ὁ world κόσμος through δι’ Him. αὐτοῦ.
Joh 3:18 Whoever ὁ believes πιστεύων in εἰς Him αὐτὸν vvv οὐ is not condemned, κρίνεται· but ‹δὲ› whoever ὁ vvv μὴ does not believe πιστεύων vvv ἤδη is already condemned, κέκριται, because ὅτι vvv μὴ he has not believed πεπίστευκεν in εἰς the τὸ name ὄνομα - τοῦ of God’s Θεοῦ. - τοῦ one and only μονογενοῦς Son. Υἱοῦ
Joh 3:19 And δέ this Αὕτη is ἐστιν the ἡ verdict κρίσις, - : ὅτι The τὸ Light φῶς has come ἐλήλυθεν into εἰς the τὸν world, κόσμον but καὶ - οἱ men ἄνθρωποι loved ἠγάπησαν - τὸ darkness σκότος [more] μᾶλλον than ἢ - τὸ light, φῶς· because γὰρ their αὐτῶν - τὰ deeds ἔργα. were ἦν evil. πονηρὰ
Joh 3:20 - γὰρ Everyone πᾶς who ὁ does πράσσων evil φαῦλα hates μισεῖ the τὸ Light, φῶς and καὶ {does} not οὐκ come ἔρχεται into πρὸς the τὸ Light φῶς, for fear that ἵνα . . . μὴ his αὐτοῦ· - τὰ deeds ἔργα will be exposed. ἐλεγχθῇ

Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;
Joh 3:18 he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 'And this is the judgment, that the light hath come to the world, and men did love the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil;
Joh 3:20 for every one who is doing wicked things hateth the light, and doth not come unto the light, that his works may not be detected;
Joh 3:21 but he who is doing the truth doth come to the light, that his works may be manifested, that in God they are having been wrought.'

J.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: once saved always saved?
No, and Yes, With The Word of Truth, Rightly Divided:

In God's Context of Prophecy, Christ/12/Israel on the earth, has no assurance, because:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish

(Luke 13:3,5, 24:47; Mar 1:4 AV)​

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2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
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3) be water baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luke 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;

Act 2:38)​

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4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
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5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"

(Jam 1:1, 2:17,26)​

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6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
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7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"

(Mar 10:17-23)​

8) "...he that endureth to the end shall be saved..." (Mat 10:22 AV)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

In God's Other Context Of The Mystery, Under Grace, From Christ In Heaven, to ONE
apostle, Now all ( who Believe The Gospel Of Grace and are In ) The Body Of Christ,
can have, Yes:

FULL Assurance, because Of This Multitude ( 144+ ) Of Plain And Clear Scriptures:

A) God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
+ Update

B) God's Eternal Assurance

C) God's Eternal Life Insurance

All Because Of God's ALL-Sufficient BLOOD!

Amen.
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Additional FULL study:

Secure Or Not Secure? That Is The Question!

 

[JunChosen]

Jesus told us that HE came to Die for..= all of us .. .. and He DID..................And now that He has accomplished our Salvation on The Cross, He's now waiting to come back and get all of us who are born again.

Who are the "all of us?"

To God Be The Glory

 

[Taken]

Once Saved, Always Saved?

Yes!

Once…
Is definitive regarding a number of times.

sav_ED
Is definitive regarding being complete.

Nothing in Scripture remotely teaches, reveals or indicates that ANY mans soul having BEEN SAVED, is in danger of losing or have his soul salvation taken away from him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Nothing in Scripture remotely teaches, reveals or indicates that ANY mans soul having BEEN SAVED, is in danger of losing or have his soul salvation taken away from him.

There’s plenty in scripture that indicates salvation is not without conditions.

Receiving salvation is unconditional upon belief.

Retaining salvation has many stipulations in scripture.

 

[Taken]

There’s plenty in scripture that indicates salvation is not without conditions.

Agree.

Receiving salvation is unconditional upon belief.

Disagree.
Belief…CAN come and go while body is alive.
**While bodily alive;
And believing…Lord WITH man, man WITH Lord….CAN come and go.
** EVIDENCE…Lord with Israel…Lord without Israel…Israel with man…Israel in bondage of man.



Conditionally -
* belief MUST be Heart’s (natural spirit of mans) thoughts.
* belief MUST continue until BODILY Death
* Salvation IS GIVEN AFTER Forgiveness
………………………AND AFTER bodily death.
* ONCE body ACCOUNTED…IN belief, Forgiven, Dead…. Body DOES NOT RETURN TO LIVING TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE DECLARED TESTIMONY TO UNBELIEF
* ONCE bodily Dead, (with forgiveness, with salvation)…Forever and Always that Body, Soul, Spirit of that man SHALL ALWAYS and FOREVER BE “WITH” the Lord God Almighty.
* WHO…according to Scripture CAN pluck such a man OUT OF the hand of the Lord God? No one.

Retaining salvation has many stipulations in scripture.

No. No stipulations FOR RETAINING SALVATION

Every man….SAVED soul, QUICKENED spirit…. OR NOT…SHALL BE “REWARDED” (from the Lord God)…ACCORDING TO…
“THEIR WORKS”…

ALL WORKS….(of EVERY man)…(saved or not)….WHOSE “works” glorified God … ARE REWARDED…

ALL WORKS…(of EVERY man)…(saved or not)….WHOSE “works” DID NOT Glorify God….SHALL BE BURNED.

Salvation IS expressly about A Gift from God, expressly to ONE man, ONE Time, FOR that mans willingness, desire, heartful testimony, to secure a one on one, forever Relationship with the Lord God…effected and secured by that man SERVICE unto expressly God…(that mans express testimony, willingness to GIVE his body unto Death FOR God, and Gods Acceptance of that mans testimony and GIFTING that man Salvation FOR his SERVICE unto God.

Works are what ONE MAN, does…to glorify God….AND accredits the Glory to God…
( a mans ability to PREACH, to TEACH, to AID, to give Charity, etc. FOR OTHER MENS BENEFIT….yet that giving “ABILITY to do those things”…..ACCREDITED TO GOD…”not the man <—->
^ THAT…debt of the Lord, and his payment TO such a man………IS REWARDS….(NOT Salvation)

“WHEN” a man …. Preaches, teaches, aids, gives charity….AND CLAIMS the …. Accolades, ribbons, trophies, recognition FOR HIMSELF….(that IS his Reward)!

“IF” that man “GIVES his ability to do those things…accredited to GOD…”….That man HAS glorified God….and God SHALL REWARD that man. (That IS NOT HOW a man RECEIVES….or KEEPS SALVATION).

A Man KEEPS his SALVATION…By, through, of…the Power of God…WITH and IN a man.
(NOT the mans power.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

@Michiah-Imla ~

Consider…. to not know bodily death is required BEFORE Salvation is GIFTED FROM God….is foolish to not believe.

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Consider….Gods Gift of Salvation IS a GIFT, bought, paid for, by, from, of God and OFFERED to the entire Word.

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Consider;
God provides, God Offers….
First time…In the Garden..Tree of Life was provided and OFFERED to Adam…Adam choose not to Eat what he was OFFERED.

Moving forward, God provided, God Offered…Jesus’ Body…
Men decide, to choose, TAKE that which was provided, offered……or NOT.

IF and When a man CHOOSES to NOT “TAKE the gift OFFERED TO him…AND bodily dies without having ACCEPTED Gods OFFERING…
THEN WHAT?
That man “LOSES” the gift he was “OFFERED” because he did’nt ACCEPT, TAKE Gods gift OFFERING

No different if anyone buys a GIFT FOR YOU, and YOU refuse to REACH OUT AND TAKE that gift….you lose that gift.

No different if anyone enters an OFFER to WIN a car…or Lottery…or whatever prize….and their entered name is drawn…the prize is theirs to CLAIM…..but (same as God) there is a TIME FRAME upon which one can CLAIM their PRIZE / GIFT….THEY FAIL to CLAIM….they LOSE THEIR GIFT.

Scripture reveals many WARNINGS about LOSING SALVATION….for failing to CLAIM / TAKE their GIFT….”according to Gods ORDER and WAY”…….no different than men who offer a Gift “according to their Rules/ Order….their Way/ deadline…”

A man LOSING a gift, a man Losing Salvation….is FOR having declined, rejected to TAKE the Offering.

Losing Salvation is NOT after having “received” Salvation.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GracePeace]

"... the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life ..." "... by grace are ye saved ..." Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8

Salvation from the death sentence is God’s gift, because God sent his own son to bear the death penalty for man. (John 3:16) But doesn’t salvation require the cooperation of the individual? Yes. For instance, the exercise of faith is essential. "... if we believe on him ... being justified by faith ..." "... the just shall live by faith." - - Romans 4:24; 5:10; Gal 3:11

The Apostle James shows that the sincerity of our faith must be demonstrated by our efforts at good works. This is why he says, "... by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24) This does not mean that God requires perfect works- - Paul shows that we are not capable of that. (Romans 3:20; 2:16, 3:11) But it does mean that we must try as much as possible to do those things that God would be pleased with. "Faith without works is dead." - - James 2:26

During this age God is not dealing with the world in general. He is preparing the Church class for a glorious reward. They are to be joined with Christ Jesus, and to share both his throne of dominion and his very nature- - the divine nature. (Acts 15:4; Room. 2:7) But before any will be raised to such a position of glory and honor, God wishes to see a character crystallized in earnest loyalty. Of Jesus it was written, "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered ..." (Hebrews 5:8) Each of Christ’s followers are also to have their obedience proved. We are to search our minds and hearts to see that they are kept in a proper attitude of devotion. The Apostle John said: "Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward." - - 2 John 8

One inference of this counsel is that some will receive less than the full reward of divine nature. Some will be "overcharged with the cares of this life." Some will carelessly build with "wood, hay and stubble" rather than "gold, silver, and precious stones." (1 Corinthians 3:15) But if their hearts are loyal, God will still care for these. "If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:12) For some this will mean deliverance "unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." - - 1 Corinthians 5:5

Some will fall. From other scriptures we learn that it is possible for some to come to a knowledge of the Lord, and then to willfully neglect the favor of God and become estranged from Him. To express and exercise faith in Him, and later to lose it. To receive a standing before God through faith in the blood of Jesus, and to fall. The vital, living and quickening faith of a believer can turn sour. Thus, the warning of Hebrews 10:38: "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him ..." Jesus said, "No man having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." - - Luke 9:62

The condition of heart that would completely turn from God after having believed and received of the Holy Spirit, would make future repentance impossible. Read carefully Paul’s words in Hebrews 6:4- 6:

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted of the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance ..." ​

The warning of Hebrews 10:29 is to those who have at one time been sanctified.

"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" ​

This condition, though infrequent, is nevertheless a real danger. What of such? The Apostle Peter, in chapter two of his second epistle, speaking of such a class, says: "... if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." (2 Peter 2:20) These, he says, "have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam ... who loved the wages of unrighteousness." - - 2 Peter 2:15 Peter says that for them "the mist of darkness (the oblivion of death) is reserved for ever." (2 Peter 2:17) "... these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, ... shall utterly perish in their own corruption." - - 2 Peter 2:12

How can this be? Doesn’t Romans 8:35- 39 teach that nothing and nobody can "separate us from the love of God"? True, none of the distresses which he mentions there can separate us- - but we can separate ourselves by an attitude of faithlessness and carelessness leading to heart disloyalty and rebellion. Paul’s discussion is intended to be an assurance to all who will keep their hearts. Even the Apostle Paul himself said, "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27) See Romans 11:21.

In addition to these warnings, we have instruction to "Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Proverbs 4:23) And Paul speaks of those "... who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory, honor, and immortality. ..." (Romans 2:7) For, in the full sense, "He that endureth to the end shall be saved." - - Matthew 10:22; 24:13

Faithful unto death Jesus forewarned that the battle of a Christian would not be easy. The world will taunt and jeer. "If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?" (Matthew 10:25) "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake ..." (Matthew 10:22) From our own flesh will come difficult enticements of pride and lust. (Romns 7:18- 24) And Satan, as a "roaring lion" (1 Peter 5:8), will at every opportunity seek to make shipwreck of our faith.

Love for the Lord, and appreciation of the great price that secures our redemption, will inspire our devotion. Only such love will hold fast to the promise, "Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10) BUT, "Hold fast that which thou hast, that no man take thy crown ..."- Revelation 3:11

OSAS is true, because God can forget not only sin but also righteousness (Ezekiel 18:24)--if someone who has partaken of Christ does not endure until the end in faith, their partaking retroactively never occurs (Heb 3).

The odd result of this is that no one loses salvation, but Christ keeps all who believe and loses none.

This frees you to embrace the verses about having been chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, about having been foreknown and predestined, while also affirming the verses that warn about falling away from the faith.

 

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OSAS is true, because God can forget not only sin but also righteousness (Ezekiel 18:24)--if someone who has partaken of Christ does not endure until the end in faith, their partaking retroactively never occurs (Heb 3).

Hearing…*Gods Word, is the beginning of HOW men Receive Gods gift of FAITH…
Hear a Little, receive a Little measure of Faith….
As that individual is “continuing” to hear, his Faith increases.
THAT ^ individual receives BLESSING from the Spirit of God…
THAT ^ is CALLED….”TASTING”….blessings of the Holy Spirit, FOR HEM HAVING willingly Heard, receiving Faith…

THAT IS NOT receiving SALVATION!

Such a man can STOP hearing, STOP receiving measures of Faith, STOP receiving Blessing of the Holy Spirit….THAT man CAN SPIT OUT (the tasting of Gods Word)
THAT is CALLED….having Fallen from FAITH.
^^ THEY become IN DANGER of Losing their salvation…”IF” they remain, continue ON that PATH.

OR….such a man having TASTED, having received FAITH, having continued….they ARE BECOMING PREPARED…. TO EAT the Word of God and Accept the BLOOD of Jesus for forgiveness of their Sin, and Follow the Order and Way OF the Lord God….to Receive the Baptism of Gods Holy Spirit to MAKE that man WHOLE:….
Body, soul, spirit….and FOREVER be with that man and that man FOREVER with the Lord God Almighty..

ONCE that IS accomplished, it is accomplished FOREVER.

Yes, we were CHOSEN from (before we were naturally born).
Yes, we “during our natural life time decide, “IF” we want to choose, elect, the Lord God Almighty…or not.

Regardless of OUR Choice….”with or without” the Lord God….HE HAS Prepared a PLACE for EVERY mans eternal habitat….(On the Earth or IN the Earth)….
We, per usual….WAIT to SEE…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Belief…CAN come and go while body is alive.
**While bodily alive;
And believing…Lord WITH man, man WITH Lord….CAN come and go.
** EVIDENCE…Lord with Israel…Lord without Israel…Israel with man…Israel in bondage of man.

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Hearing…*Gods Word, is the beginning of HOW men Receive Gods gift of FAITH…
Hear a Little, receive a Little measure of Faith….
As that individual is “continuing” to hear, his Faith increases.
THAT ^ individual receives BLESSING from the Spirit of God…
THAT ^ is CALLED….”TASTING”….blessings of the Holy Spirit, FOR HEM HAVING willingly Heard, receiving Faith…

THAT IS NOT receiving SALVATION!

Such a man can STOP hearing, STOP receiving measures of Faith, STOP receiving Blessing of the Holy Spirit….THAT man CAN SPIT OUT (the tasting of Gods Word)
THAT is CALLED….having Fallen from FAITH.
^^ THEY become IN DANGER of Losing their salvation…”IF” they remain, continue ON that PATH.

OR….such a man having TASTED, having received FAITH, having continued….they ARE BECOMING PREPARED…. TO EAT the Word of God and Accept the BLOOD of Jesus for forgiveness of their Sin, and Follow the Order and Way OF the Lord God….to Receive the Baptism of Gods Holy Spirit to MAKE that man WHOLE:….
Body, soul, spirit….and FOREVER be with that man and that man FOREVER with the Lord God Almighty..

ONCE that IS accomplished, it is accomplished FOREVER.

Yes, we were CHOSEN from (before we were naturally born).
Yes, we “during our natural life time decide, “IF” we want to choose, elect, the Lord God Almighty…or not.

Regardless of OUR Choice….”with or without” the Lord God….HE HAS Prepared a PLACE for EVERY mans eternal habitat….(On the Earth or IN the Earth)….
We, per usual….WAIT to SEE…

Glory to God,
Taken

If God's ability to forget righteousness holds true, since He doesn't change, then there really was righteousness (ie, faith--"the righteousness of faith") to forget, thus all of these "well, no, he didn't REALLY believe, cus if he had he would've been saved FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER" caveats are moot.

 

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Men can believe, wonder, believe, doubt, believe, deny, believe……..UNTIL …..
(Even many disciples of Jesus did that…so also do people today).

UNTIL…

They Choose to become MADE “saved and quickened”…..THEN they shall forever BELIEVE.

Or…
they can Choose to adamantly REJECT…THEN when their body dies, they also, shall be REJECTED. (Not soul saved, Not spirit born again, Not raised in a new body)…Not occupy the face of the earth forever.

Glory to God,
Taken