Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[David in NJ]

No it is not....Daniel's prophecy was for the Jews only...Jesus created His Church and those in it are saved this includes Jews who believe in Him. However, there are many Jews today that do not believe in Him still as Messiah. Daniel becomes a part of Revelation and both of these books have Hebrew overtures. We can also see in Daniel 3-4 that the book was written in aramaic (gentilian). From then on it is Hebrew.

No Coventology does that quite nicely and blames it on Dispensationalism which is Biblical. There are seven dispensations within the Bible that are distinct from one another. These are time periods where God/Jesus/Holy Spirit interreacted with the people of earth in different ways. This is another study we and get into if you wish.


Dan 9:24 has not be fulfilled yet...Jesus did die for our inequities but that is it so far.
The "essence" of the New Covenant is in Ezekiel 36:25-27.. This covenant with Israel was also inherited by the Church (His Body, His Bride) uses this essence to justifiy and glorify it saints...So far, Saints have only been Justified and many sanctified but not glorified YET...The Rapture will do this for them.

Your Words...."Your religion has dumbed you down to the same unbelief as Israel now suffers under and it is antichrist."

I see your words last evening meant nothing but garbage. I thought you came into the with an open mind....What I have told you is how the Bible Reads and I do not have to remove, add, change a single verse, word, period or Jott or tittle

I will no longer be a party to your rantings. Good Night.. and May God forgive you.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to be SAVED by God's Eternal Righteousness apart from the Lord Jesus Christ.

No fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 in CHRIST means no Salvation for the Jew nor for the Gentile.

To deny this is to deny TRUTH in favor of seeking honor from men = respect of persons instead of Respect for the TRUTH

Pray that the Lord will forgive you and Open your heart and eyes to His Everlasting Righteousness = Daniel 9:24/Gospel

 

[covenantee]

They are clueless to corrupted intellect of man from which 'dispensationalism and pre-trib' rapture come from.

"That which is highly esteemed by man is an abomination to God" = especially when it Adds to God's words what HE never said.

Amen bro.

 

[covenantee]

False teachings must be consigned to hell and preterisim is one of them.

Jesus' birth occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Jesus' earthly ministry occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Jesus' death occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Jesus' resurrection occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Jesus' ascension occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Have you consigned Jesus' preterism to hell?

 

[Keraz]

Jesus' birth occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Jesus' earthly ministry occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Jesus' death occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Jesus' resurrection occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Jesus' ascension occurred before 70 AD. That's preterism.

Have you consigned Jesus' preterism to hell?

These are proven historical facts.

Preterism is when someone says all the Prophesies are fulfilled, excepting the glorious Return of Jesus and The AMill believers add to that by thinking that will be the end of physical mankind and the earth.
THAT is a serious rejection of much scripture and invokes the curses of Rev 22:19-20.

 

[Keraz]

Explain how 70 weeks are determined when the 70th week is decapitated, orphaned, and undetermined.

God determines whatever He desires, He divided the 70th weeks into 3 parts.
It would be unusual for it to actually be continuous.

You avoided the fact of all the graphically stated Prophesies from Rev 6:12 to the end of the Bible; remain unfulfilled.
It is obvious that at least, the second half of the 70th 'week', will take place just prior the Jesus Returning.

 

[covenantee]

These are proven historical facts.

Preterism is when someone says all the Prophesies are fulfilled, excepting the glorious Return of Jesus and The AMill believers add to that by thinking that will be the end of physical mankind and the earth.
THAT is a serious rejection of much scripture and invokes the curses of Rev 22:19-20.

Calvary is also a proven historical fact.

 

[covenantee]

God determines whatever He desires, He divided the 70th weeks into 3 parts.

He determined that 70 weeks would be determined.

You divide the "70th weeks" into 3 parts.

He didn't.

 

[David in NJ]

God determines whatever He desires, He divided the 70th weeks into 3 parts.
It would be unusual for it to actually be continuous.

You avoided the fact of all the graphically stated Prophesies from Rev 6:12 to the end of the Bible; remain unfulfilled.
It is obvious that at least, the second half of the 70th 'week', will take place just prior the Jesus Returning.

What are the three parts?

 

[Keraz]

You divide the "70th weeks" into 3 parts.

1/ Seven 'weeks' = 49 years - Daniel 9:25b....Jerusalem rebuilt.
2/ Sixty two 'weeks' = 483 years - Daniel 9:25c.... Jerusalem remains restored and inhabited. Completed on the Day of Jesus Death.
3/ The final 'week' = seven years, Daniel 9:27; culminating in the end of the age. Completed by His Return.

Daniel 9:26 describes the Roman conquest of the Jews in 70AD....war with all its horrors.

There is a gap between the end of the 69th week to the start of the 70th. That is clear from many angles and why not? The descendants of Jacob had to wait in Egypt for 400 years!

 

[Bladerunner]

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“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me (the Messiah),
Because He has anointed Me to preach the good news to the poor.
He has sent Me to announce release (pardon, forgiveness) to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed (downtrodden, bruised, crushed by tragedy),
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to proclaim the favorable year of the Lord [the day when salvation and the favor of God abound greatly].”


I had everything I needed.

you don't know Hebrew culture then....They needed to anoint Him as Mechach Nagid, the Messiah the King. They did not and have not since His death and resurrection because they are blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles...These little things, is what your theology reject, changes, removes, adds to...Rev 22:18-19.....woe to thee.

Daniel 9:24 declares "Seventy weeks are determined".

An unfulfilled 70th week is decapitated, orphaned, and undetermined.

It denies and violates Daniel's declaration.

It is a figment of the futurized fantasy and fallacy of modernist dispensational delusion.

It is nonexistent in historical true Christianity prior to the 19th century.

It merits naught but a return to the pit from which it originated.

Hell.

there is so much hate in your words....Why? maybe something is telling you are wrong and you are trying to deny that....Better listen to your self...

 

[Jack]

The Israel wannabees still preaching their HATE for Israel!

God bless Israel in the Land of the Bible! Israel is home to stay!

 

[covenantee]

you don't know Hebrew culture then....They needed to anoint Him as Mechach Nagid, the Messiah the King. They did not and have not since His death and resurrection because they are blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles...These little things, is what your theology reject, changes, removes, adds to...Rev 22:18-19.....woe to thee.

there is so much hate in your words....Why? maybe something is telling you are wrong and you are trying to deny that....Better listen to your self...

We should hate the denial and rejection of Christ's complete and perfect accomplishments at Calvary in Daniel's 70th week.

 

[covenantee]

1/ Seven 'weeks' = 49 years - Daniel 9:25b....Jerusalem rebuilt.
2/ Sixty two 'weeks' = 483 years - Daniel 9:25c.... Jerusalem remains restored and inhabited. Completed on the Day of Jesus Death.
3/ The final 'week' = seven years, Daniel 9:27; culminating in the end of the age. Completed by His Return.

Daniel 9:26 describes the Roman conquest of the Jews in 70AD....war with all its horrors.

There is a gap between the end of the 69th week to the start of the 70th. That is clear from many angles and why not? The descendants of Jacob had to wait in Egypt for 400 years!

Nowhere does Scripture say "400 years are determined".

But it does say "Seventy weeks are determined".

Which invalidates your decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week.

 

[Keraz]

Which invalidates your decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week.

Until you can explain when the 70th week, the start and finish of a seven year period, fitted into the first century, then your theory that it is past history, is invalid and just preterist error.

 

[covenantee]

Until you can explain when the 70th week, the start and finish of a seven year period, fitted into the first century, then your theory that it is past history, is invalid and just preterist error.

The 70th week began in AD 27 and ended in AD 34. Christ was crucified in AD 30, "in the midst of the week". Daniel 9:27

No theory. "Proven historical facts." A determined 70th week, and 70 weeks.

And toss your "preterist" nonsense. You're smarter than that.

 

[Bladerunner]

It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to be SAVED by God's Eternal Righteousness apart from the Lord Jesus Christ.

No fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 in CHRIST means no Salvation for the Jew nor for the Gentile.

To deny this is to deny TRUTH in favor of seeking honor from men = respect of persons instead of Respect for the TRUTH

Pray that the Lord will forgive you and Open your heart and eyes to His Everlasting Righteousness = Daniel 9:24/Gospel

We should hate the denial and rejection of Christ's complete and perfect accomplishments at Calvary in Daniel's 70th week.

Ok, were are the 3.5 billion people that have to die in Daniel's 70th week buried?

 

[Atarah]

Question: Please post the scripture where it says that God will close the Door on Gentiles coming to Christ.

Romans 11:25-26 (NASB) "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved"

Israel's rejection of Yeshua as their Messiah has an "until" associated with it, indicating a limit on the duration. At that time, the opportunity given to the Gentiles will end. Thereafter, the only way for a Gentile to come into salvation will be through their conversion to Judaism - Zechariah 8:23 (NASB) Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”’”

 

[David in NJ]

Romans 11:25-26 (NASB) "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved"

Israel's rejection of Yeshua as their Messiah has an "until" associated with it, indicating a limit on the duration. At that time, the opportunity given to the Gentiles will end. Thereafter, the only way for a Gentile to come into salvation will be through their conversion to Judaism - Zechariah 8:23 (NASB) Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”’”

the only way for a Gentile to come into salvation will be through their conversion to Judaism

The only Way for a Jew or Gentile to come into Salvation is thru the Promised MESSIAH = LORD Jesus Christ.

This will NEVER change, for there is no Eternal Righteousness/Salvation apart from the LORD Jesus Christ.

Biblical Judaism 101 - Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

 

[David in NJ]

1/ Seven 'weeks' = 49 years - Daniel 9:25b....Jerusalem rebuilt.
2/ Sixty two 'weeks' = 483 years - Daniel 9:25c.... Jerusalem remains restored and inhabited. Completed on the Day of Jesus Death.
3/ The final 'week' = seven years, Daniel 9:27; culminating in the end of the age. Completed by His Return.

Daniel 9:26 describes the Roman conquest of the Jews in 70AD....war with all its horrors.

There is a gap between the end of the 69th week to the start of the 70th. That is clear from many angles and why not? The descendants of Jacob had to wait in Egypt for 400 years!

You made a mistake = there is no gap between the 69th and 70th week.
That is a man-made doctrine from hell.

24“Seventy weeks are determined = 70
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; = 7 + 62 = 69weeks
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

And after the sixty-two weeks(you must add the 7 weeks to this as stated in verse 25)
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

verse 25 = The 7 weeks are added to the 62 weeks which brings us to 69 weeks.
AFTER the 7 + 62 = 69th week = AFTER this comes the 70th week where Messiah was cut-off

 

[David in NJ]

Ok, were are the 3.5 billion people that have to die in Daniel's 70th week buried?

Take time and read this carefully, most especially the Scriptures which CANNOT lie.

The 70th week is ongoing as the first 3.5 years have been fulfilled in CHRIST's Ministry of Salvation as stated in Daniel 9:24
and CONFIRMED in the Gospel and the many scriptures i gave you as well as there being MORE.

“Seventy weeks are determined = It is impossible for this to be in the Future and the Gospel confirms this.
For your people and for your holy city, = Gospel = HE came to His own = the Jewish people and Jerusalem where HE died & Rose
To finish the transgression, = Gospel = John 19:28-30
To make an end of sins, = Gospel = John 3:10-17 = Luke 22:20 = Hebrews 9:28 , Hebrews 10:16-18 , 2 Corinthians 5:21
To bring in everlasting righteousness, = Gospel = Matt 6:33 , Rom 10:6-13 , 2 Peter 1:1 , Rom 5:21 , 2 Cor 5:21 and More
To seal up vision and prophecy, = Book of Revelation COMPLETES ALL Vision & Prophecy
And to anoint the Most Holy. = FUFILLED when CHRIST Ascended = Hebrews 9:11-15

To finish the transgression = After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

To make an end of sins, = Romans 8:3
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

To bring in everlasting righteousness, Romans 3:25
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets(Daniel (9:24) even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
whom God set forth as a atonement by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness,

To seal up vision and prophecy, = Book of Revelation COMPLETES ALL Vision & Prophecy

And to anoint the Most Holy = FUFILLED when CHRIST Ascended = Hebrews 9:11-15
But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves,
but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

HEAVEN to @Bladerunner = there is no Holy Place on earth for Daniel 9:24 to be fulfilled
The earthly temple was only a FORESHADOW of that which is Eternal in HEAVEN = Hebrews

And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified = Daniel 9:24

But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a Jew or Gentile to be SAVED had not CHRIST fulfilled Daniel 9:24