It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[TribulationSigns]

Gal 4:16
(16) Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So...it's more of disparaging me as an intent? As if I have no wisdom?

Yes, now you're getting it. Well done.

But why in the world would you disparage Brothers in Christ just for having slightly different beliefs?

Your juvenile attitude is what bothers me. Always clowning around and trying to start trouble. As if you haven't disaparaged others for disagreeing with you? You have. Look at post #1823 for plenty of examples of that. And our beliefs are not slightly different when it comes to end times doctrine. They are very different.

Arent we supposed to edify each other and unify as one?

Who are you trying to kid? Do you think you do that with the many childish posts you've made? You're not fooling anyone with this act.

I checked your posts again and I cant see where you try to edify anyyone...??

Check your own posts and you won't find that, either. But, this forum is about discussing end times doctrine. There are other forums here made specifically for the purpose of edifying others, praying for others and so on. Do you take part in those forums? I don't know why you're looking for that within a forum where disagreements are going to happen often.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What? There is no one more vulgar and demeaning to posters who disagree with them on this forum than you. So, no one takes your feigned words serious. Here is edification according to you and your fellow Pretribbers:




























































































Here are those attackers:

@MA2444
@Taken
@rebuilder 454
@The Light

And guess what? Not one single apology from one of you! Shame on you Pretribbers!

Never have we talked about him with that kind of hatred like he did us. We've never called him Satan and all that over the top nonsense like he has done. But, he can't understand why we don't like his behavior? He couldn't be less self aware if he tried.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, I am not going to remove anything or let you start dictating to me what I should do to meet your standards. So I was in cheerful mood, big deal!

Responding with laughter after the evil things you said says it all about you.

All of your buddies are using the term evil to talk about pre trib. Arent you their Pastor? They had to get it somewhere.

Let us move on with scripture? But you wont. You havent addressed a single scripture that has been posted by a pre tribber.

Oh btw, are you going to apologize also? Or is that just a thing to get us to say, and then a few posts from now you say that we admiited there is no pre trib rapture? That's what I have come to expect from you...

Can you show us when we've called you Satan or anything like that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Only the army is destroyed.
You got something saying different?

It expands beyond that in these verses...

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

It's not just the army, but includes "all people, free and slave, great and small.”.

That lines up with the following passage which indicates that all unbelievers will be destroyed when Jesus comes.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I was testing your sincerity. You are free to do what you wish.

Posttribbers have addressed all the texts you have submitted in great detail and the posts have been skipped around by Pretribbers.

So, can you present one Scripture text that teaches a rapture of the Church followed by a tribulation, followed by third coming?

For us to be accused of not addressing scriptures that pretribs have presented is a big joke. We have exegeted far more scripture than any of them have.

 

[covenantee]

And they call me nasty....really the worst behaved people on boards like this are those who reject the truth- especially bcz they cant back themselves up and cant address our proofs

Still awaiting your proof of your hallucinatory Daniel 9:27 antichrist.

What's taking so long?

 

[MA2444]

Yes, now you're getting it. Well done.

So this other post of your from the othe thread was a lie then.

"I always say that whenever I see someone acting as if one's end times doctrine is a determining factor in salvation. It is not."

Your juvenile attitude is what bothers me. Always clowning around and trying to start trouble. As if you haven't disaparaged others for disagreeing with you? You have. Look at post #1823 for plenty of examples of that. And our beliefs are not slightly different when it comes to end times doctrine. They are very different.

Who are you trying to kid? Do you think you do that with the many childish posts you've made? You're not fooling anyone with this act.

Check your own posts and you won't find that, either. But, this forum is about discussing end times doctrine. There are other forums here made specifically for the purpose of edifying others, praying for others and so on. Do you take part in those forums? I don't know why you're looking for that within a forum where disagreements are going to happen often.

And then right back into the bickering. Egging me on to fight and bicker with you. You have no interst in finding any truth, only in bickering. Good show.

 

[WPM]

Op Note

Most of us know that there is no rebuttal to the truth of God. That is why Pretribbers have no answer to the Op. It is near impossible to get them to address a text, exegete a text, and flesh out a text. That is because no Scripture supports their error. It forbids Pretrib. The Bible depicts the coming of Christ as climactic. It is the end!

All they can do is duck and dive around the inspired pages and blatant truth. We have had another month of avoidance, another month of personal attacks on Posttribbers. That is all they have. The reader can go back and observe the continuous avoidance of all the multiple holes in the Pretrib theory on this thread. They can also note the extensive unaddressed detailed biblical posts of Posttribbers.

The reality is: Pretrib is dead. It is time to give it a decent burial.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So this other post of your from the othe thread was a lie then.

"I always say that whenever I see someone acting as if one's end times doctrine is a determining factor in salvation. It is not."

No. What did I say to contradict that? Nothing. I obviously believe pre-trib is false, but I have never said that believing in it means someone is not saved.

And then right back into the bickering. Egging me on to fight and bicker with you. You have no interst in finding any truth, only in bickering. Good show.

You do that yourself. Just read the long list of nasty posts you've made that WPM shared. It's clear that your real desire is to bicker and be childish and put on a show instead of actually being an adult and discussing scripture. Your history of childish, nasty posts proves that.

 

[MA2444]

You do that yourself. Just read the long list of nasty posts you've made that WPM shared. It's clear that your real desire is to bicker and be childish and put on a show instead of actually being an adult and discussing scripture. Your history of childish, nasty posts proves that.

Here you go again. But it's not you its really me and you post tribbers are the most innocent and loving christians on the planet. I know. No thank you man.

 

[WPM]

Here you go again. But it's not you its really me and you post tribbers are the most innocent and loving christians on the planet. I know. No thank you man.

What are you scared of? We are trying to get you to discuss Scripture, but you would not.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But it's not you its really me and you post tribbers are the most innocent and loving christians on the planet. I know.

Exactly. Finally, we can agree on something.

 

[WPM]

No. What did I say to contradict that? Nothing. I obviously believe pre-trib is false, but I have never said that believing in it means something is not saved.


You do that yourself. Just read the long list of nasty posts you've made that WPM shared. It's clear that your real desire is to bicker and be childish and put on a show instead of actually being an adult and discussing scripture. Your history of childish, nasty posts proves that.

Why would they bring any more Scripture to the table because their understanding of it has been utterly refuted? That is why they are all running for the trenches.

 

[MA2444]

 

[WPM]

Still awaiting your proof of your hallucinatory Daniel 9:27 antichrist.

What's taking so long?

You will wait a long time. She has nothing. That is why she is running.

 

[MA2444]

I was testing your sincerity. You are free to do what you wish.

Posttribbers have addressed all the texts you have submitted in great detail and the posts have been skipped around by Pretribbers.

So, can you present one Scripture text that teaches a rapture of the Church followed by a tribulation, followed by third coming?

That's how I know that you read your Bible Carnally. You know darn good and well that this is a secret of God, so it isnt spelled out in one verse or to your specifications of how God should have wrote it! Srop trying to control the narrative and let God's Word be the narrative. There are a LOT of clues and talk about the Rapture which to understand you have to put a lot of scriptures together and draw a conclusion (One that doesnt contradict evenone verse of scripture.

Consider this,

Dueteronomy 29:29
29 “The Lord our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instructions..../NLT

The Rapture was a big mystery in biblical days. God has secrets and He reveals more and more as time goes on. Do you know this? It is a secret and not even the Angels in Heaven know when and Jesus Himself doesnt even know. So you cant demand that it be shown in one verse! That's between you and God, go ask Him why He didnt write it into one verse!

Even Paul talked about the rapture as a mystery:

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed..../KJV

For the details you pretty much have to read the entirety of scripture...and then put it together and form a conclusion. There are clues all through scripture, some are obvious and some are not! Obvious ones are verses like He comes in the air for His bride, next time, He touches down on the Mt of Olives. At the rapture he comes when we least expect it and no one knows when, at the 2nd coming, He returns 1260 days after the abomination os desolation. There's lots more too.

Do we tear Matthew 24:42-44 out of our Bibles? It says it's by surprise so always be ready. I looked up "Always" in the greek, and it means "Always" So it has to be two different trips to earth. One for His bride, one to put down evil and set up His Millenial Reign.

And Again...it is not in a single verse, but they sure do talk about it a lot in scripture!

 

[WPM]

That's how I know that you read your Bible Carnally. You know darn good and well that this is a secret of God, so it isnt spelled out in one verse or to your specifications of how God should have wrote it! Srop trying to control the narrative and let God's Word be the narrative. There are a LOT of clues and talk about the Rapture which to understand you have to put a lot of scriptures together and draw a conclusion (One that doesnt contradict evenone verse of scripture.

Consider this,

Dueteronomy 29:29
29 “The Lord our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instructions..../NLT

The Rapture was a big mystery in biblical days. God has secrets and He reveals more and more as time goes on. Do you know this? It is a secret and not even the Angels in Heaven know when and Jesus Himself doesnt even know. So you cant demand that it be shown in one verse! That's between you and God, go ask Him why He didnt write it into one verse!

Even Paul talked about the rapture as a mystery:

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed..../KJV

For the details you pretty much have to read the entirety of scripture...and then put it together and form a conclusion. There are clues all through scripture, some are obvious and some are not! Obvious ones are verses like He comes in the air for His bride, next time, He touches down on the Mt of Olives. At the rapture he comes when we least expect it and no one knows when, at the 2nd coming, He returns 1260 days after the abomination os desolation. There's lots more too.

Do we tear Matthew 24:42-44 out of our Bibles? It says it's by surprise so always be ready. I looked up "Always" in the greek, and it means "Always" So it has to be two different trips to earth. One for His bride, one to put down evil and set up His Millenial Reign.

And Again...it is not in a single verse, but they sure do talk about it a lot in scripture!

There is nothing here that supports a Pretrib rapture. I'm not sure what you're pushing that.

 

[MA2444]

There is nothing here that supports a Pretrib rapture. I'm not sure what you're pushing that.

I know you dont understand it.

 

[WPM]

I know you dont understand it.

How about discussing Scripture, like you promised. I am waiting!