IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?

[GodsGrace]

Once again Lambano you are taking control of the discussion...here is my question once again to you.

So, those he gave the right to become children of God...we’re by HIS will @Lambano ...

What do you make of that?



Inviting Jesus into our heart is not biblical.

Being Born Again/ Born Of The Spirit/ regenerated is..plus it can only come by divine revelation.which again is biblical.

You're replying to @Lambano and I think this is a good conversation.

He's right that you invite Jesus into your heart.
Do you think He forced His way in?
No Of course not.

When you open the door to Jesus...Rev 3:20 you are actually inviting Him in.
In that scripture Jesus says He will dine with you....this means He will live with you and be there when you
awaken, when you eat, etc.
You INVITE HIM INTO your life.

Don't make the same mistake that another member is making....
something is not biblical or non-biblical because the words are there...

It's biblical because IT AGREES WITH THE BIBLE and what the bible teaches.
It takes a long time to digest all that the NT teaches - go slow.

 

[GodsGrace]

Which one is unbiblical?

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None St. SteVen.

 

[Johann]

I could show you AGAIN. But you would brush it off as being "unbiblical".
Seems like pointless effort.

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Correct, you can't show me anything from Scripture.
Galatians 1:6-9 – Paul rebukes the Galatians for turning to a different gospel, saying, "But even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." This passage warns against any distortion of the gospel of Christ.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 – "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." Paul warns Timothy that people will seek teachings that suit their preferences, leading them away from biblical truth.

2 Peter 2:1 – "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction." This passage highlights the danger of false teachers introducing destructive and unbiblical doctrines.

Colossians 2:8 – "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Paul warns the church to avoid doctrines based on human tradition and worldly philosophy rather than the teachings of Christ.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 – "If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing...from such withdraw yourself." Paul instructs Timothy to avoid those who promote teachings contrary to the truth of Christ.

Titus 1:10-11 – "For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain." This addresses those who teach false doctrines for personal gain, leading people away from the truth.


There’s nothing truly edifying in such approaches-it’s more about pride and intellectualism than spiritual growth.

Honestly, I tend to side with @GodsGrace on this. It’s clear you don’t handle criticism well, which shows in your snide remarks.

J.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace

IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?​

So, your answer to the topic title question is:
"Yes, the Reformed faith is unbiblical because it disagrees with "MAINSTREAM Christianity"? (Evangelicalism)

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You know, I'm not going to keep repeating the same post over and over again.

If you don't know my position by now, you never will.

Again....
Christianity was decided upon with teachings 2,000 years ago.

Not today, not 500 years ago, 2,000 years ago.

If you don't believe what Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, etc taught and what the Apostles taught
then you should not be calling yourself a Christian.

Christian DOES NOT mean a follower of Christ.
It means something specific.

REFORMED THEOLOGY/CALVINISM was NOT taught by either the NT writers or the Apostles or those they taught, and so on down the line.

If you cannot understand this, you should take the time to think it over.

There is such a thing as MAINLINE CHRISTIANITY....
that would be the things (doctrine) ALL CHRISTIANS believe to be correct BIBLICALLY.

 

[GodsGrace]

I may be in good company. That's what they said about Jesus.

I'm still waiting for a response from you about this question:

Who determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)

See my post #295


Diminished, or realistic?
The questions are more important to me than the answers.
Again, in good company.

Luke 10:26 NIV
“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

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So what are you saying?
That Jesus would have accepted ANY response?
Jesus said the lawyer answered correctly.

THERE IS A CORRECT ANSWER.

If the lawyer had answered incorrectly, Jesus would have told him so.

Remember that Jesus told His followers,,,
Matthew 23:3
3therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds...

What do you suppose Jesus meant by this?
The Pharisees were sitting in Moses' seat....
they had his authority...
they were teaching what the OT taught,,,,
Jesus said His followers were to do as the Pharisees taught...

He did not say that His followers could make up their own teachings.

 

[GodsGrace]

Theologians who are trained?

To explain scripture by whom?

The problem with that is, whose even to say that a trained theologian is even been Born Again.?

I’ve spoken to a few theologians, they haven’t a clue what I have been talking about and vice versa.

I only listen to the Lord and I can only be led by Him by His Spirit...as soon as someone starts “ telling “ me how I should believe etc...I run for the hills.....some force their belief onto you, speaking from myself doing that....that is not of God....

Theologians don't tell you what to believe.

They explain what the bible is saying....
Would you ever have understood about Hades by yourself?
If you didn't it would be OK,,,,but if you keep posting here, you're going to hear stuff that will need explaining.

 

[Ritajanice]

You're replying to @Lambano and I think this is a good conversation.

He's right that you invite Jesus into your heart.
Do you think He forced His way in?
No Of course not.

There is nowhere in scripture that says we invited God into our spirit?

We are Born Of The Spirit, we are not Born Again by inviting God into our heart, that is the part I can never understand as I wasn’t Born Again that way.

Why would you say, Do I think God forced His way in ?...do you mean forced his way into my heart/ spirit, when he birthed my spirit into His?

Do you remember what happened to Lydia?

Does the Spirit reside in your spirit @GodsGrace ..if so please explain how you invited him in, I asked you the question further up?

 

[GodsGrace]

St. SteVen said:
The question remains unanswered.
Who determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)

Finally, an answer, thanks.
Not a GOOD answer, but an answer none the less.

You say/infer: that "MAINLINE Christianity" determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)
Correct?

- How many denominations are there in "MAINLINE Christianity"?
- Are you claiming that they ALL agree on "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view) ???
- How many Protestant denominations are you trashing?
- Are you also trashing the Catholic Church?
- The Seventh Day Adventists? JWs?

Between the lines, I think you are saying that Evangelicalism
controls the "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)

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YES. All mainline Christian denominations agree on basic Christian doctrine.
As I've stated before but which you do not understand is this:
a nuance could be disgareed on.....
a basic doctrine cannot be disagreed on.

I don't TRASH any denomination...
I state and uphold that some are UNBIBLICAL.

 

[Ritajanice]

Theologians don't tell you what to believe.

They explain what the bible is saying....
Would you ever have understood about Hades by yourself?

I have tried to explain to you that, I can only understand hades by divine revelation..not by some theologian, with respect.

If you didn't it would be OK,,,,but if you keep posting here, you're going to hear stuff that will need explaining.

Only the Holy Spirit can relay to my spirit what God’s written word is saying to my heart/ spirit, which can only come by divine revelation.

Unless a theologian is led by God through the word, then I would understand them by what they teach, ...a theologian is no different to anyone else imo...no more than a pastor they are human and they aren’t God.

I believe the word of God and how he reveals his word to my heart by divine revelation.

Everything God wants me to understand / reveals to my heart comes by divine revelation..you seem to have a hard job understanding that @GodsGrace ..

God does not speak to me the same way he speaks to you....do you understand that?

 

[GodsGrace]

There is nowhere in scripture that says we invited God into our spirit?

We are Born Of The Spirit, we are not Born Again by inviting into our heart, that is the part I can never understand as I wasn’t Born Again that way.

Why would you say, Do I think God forced His way in ?...do you mean forced his way into my heart/ spirit, when he birthed my spirit into His?

Ok
I see what you mean.
Spirit, heart, life .... It's all the same idea.

Let's try this:

We invite Jesus into our heart.
We are joined with God through our spirit.
We invite the Holy Spirit to join us in our lives.

I do want to also say that we are all born again in a different way...
I think you and I might have something in common here...
Others may have a different EXPERIENCE....
A different way that they came to be aware of God and said YES to Him (invited Him).

HOWEVER,

The METHOD by which we become born again is THE SAME for all....
We are saved because God loves us and gives us His grace....
We are saved (born again) by our faith...
At this point, God is joined with our spirit and comes to live with us.

Ephesians 2:8 is the same for every believer...
8For by grace you have been saved through faith;

God has 3 gifts for us IF we accept them...
When you're offered a gift, you must accept it so that you can use it:

GRACE
FAITH
SALVATION

God's grace (His love for us) is a gift He offers to us if we want it.
Salvation is a gift God offers to us if we want it.
Faith is a gift God offers to us if we want it, and we want it when we say YES to Him.

 

[GodsGrace]

I have tried to explain to you that, I can only understand hades by divine revelation..not by some theologian, with respect.

Only the Holy Spirit can relay to my spirit what God’s written word is saying to my heart/ spirit, which can only come by divine revelation.

Unless a theologian is led by God through the word, then I would understand them by what they teach, ...a theologian is no different to anyone else imo...no more than a pastor they are human and they aren’t God.

I believe the word of God and how he reveals his word to my heart by divine revelation.

Everything God wants me to understand / reveals to my heart comes by divine revelation..you seem to have a hard job understanding that @GodsGrace ..

God does not speak to me the same way he speaks to you....do you understand that?

Sure I understand it....
and what you're saying is OK.
But you ask me questions and I answer what the bible teaches.
It's OK if you don't care to know beyond a certain point....
You WILL get there eventually, in time.

I had many questions when I started to read the bible.
I was helped by pastors and theologians.
Everyone is following a different road,
but we all end up in the same place!

 

[Lambano]

Why should I worry about death? It's not gong to happen in my lifetime.

 

[Ritajanice]

Ok
I see what you mean.
Spirit, heart, life .... It's all the same idea.

Let's try this:

We invite Jesus into our heart.

No I didn’t...I was predestined to be Born Again , God prepared my heart/spirit to be birthed by His Spirit.....that was by his choice , not by mine....

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◄ Romans 5:5 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. New Living Translation And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love. English Standard Version and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. Berean Standard Bible And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us.

Inviting Jesus into my heart makes no sense to me.to you,yes, certainly not to me...how could I invite God into my heart without even knowing him by his Spirit?

How could you possibly invite God into your heart?..how do you know him, for a start, to invite him into your heart?

We are joined with God through our spirit.
We invite the Holy Spirit to join us in our lives.

God doesn’t say we are joined with God through our spirit, he says we must be Born Again...you are adding your own words here Sister.

I do want to also say that we are all born again in a different way...
I think you and I might have something in common here...
Others may have a different EXPERIENCE....
A different way that they came to be aware of God and said YES to Him (invited Him).

Ok, well, I can’t dispute that, because I was Born Again by Gods way, which is Biblical.

HOWEVER,

The METHOD by which we become born again is THE SAME for all....
We are saved because God loves us and gives us His grace....
We are saved (born again) by our faith...
At this point, God is joined with our spirit and comes to live with us.

This isn’t biblical Sister, it’s like you are telling your own story of what you believe the Bible to be saying.

Ephesians 2:8 is the same for every believer...
8For by grace you have been saved through faith;

God has 3 gifts for us IF we accept them...
When you're offered a gift, you must accept it so that you can use it:

GRACE
FAITH
SALVATION

God's grace (His love for us) is a gift He offers to us if we want it.
Salvation is a gift God offers to us if we want it.
Faith is a gift God offers to us if we want it, and we want it when we say YES to Him.

Sister, I could only know the Love Of God by divine revelation...he pours his love into our hearts , I think that is biblical.

Sorry posted it in the wrong place.

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◄ Romans 5:5 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. New Living Translation And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love. English Standard Version and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. Berean Standard Bible And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us.

I am now going to stop discussing with you Sister, as I believe the Lord is now leading me out of this thread.

We can’t force the other to believe what we believe, we can only believe by what we have received by divine revelation....

Which seems to be different..no problem...

I wish you well as you journey with the Lord..God Bless.

 

[Lambano]

Honestly, I think @Lambano should be questioning YOU and your motives more seriously.

@St. SteVen

 

[GodsGrace]

@St. SteVen

Is that cheese going to turn on you?
Same story every time....
questioned to death, and then...

 

[Lambano]

There is no verse in the bible which suggests that anyone is saved by faith.

Is "Justification" (being declared righteous by God) co-terminus with "salvation"?

 

[GodsGrace]

No I didn’t...I was predestined to be Born Again , God prepared my heart/spirit to be birthed by His Spirit.....that was by his choice , not by mine....

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◄ Romans 5:5 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. New Living Translation And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love. English Standard Version and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. Berean Standard Bible And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us.

Inviting Jesus into my heart makes no sense to me.to you,yes, certainly not to me...how could I invite God into my heart without even knowing him by his Spirit?

How could you possibly invite God into your heart?..how do you know him, for a start, to invite him into your heart?

God doesn’t say we are joined with God through our spirit, he says we must be Born Again...you are adding your own words here Sister.

Ok, well, I can’t dispute that, because I was Born Again by Gods way, which is Biblical.

This isn’t biblical Sister, it’s like you are telling your own story of what you believe the Bible to be saying.

Sister, I could only know the Love Of God by divine revelation...he pours his love into our hearts , I think that is biblical.

Sorry posted it in the wrong place.

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◄ Romans 5:5 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. New Living Translation And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love. English Standard Version and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. Berean Standard Bible And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us.

I am now going to stop discussing with you Sister, as I believe the Lord is now leading me out of this thread.

We can’t force the other to believe what we believe, we can only believe by what we have received by divine revelation....

Which seems to be different..no problem...

I wish you well as you journey with the Lord..God Bless.

But you've forgotten Romans 1:20!
God be with you always...

 

[GodsGrace]

Is "Justification" (being declared righteous by God) co-terminus with salvation?

Only if God so decrees it.

 

[Johann]

Sure I understand it....
and what you're saying is OK.
But you ask me questions and I answer what the bible teaches.
It's OK if you don't care to know beyond a certain point....
You WILL get there eventually, in time.

I had many questions when I started to read the bible.
I was helped by pastors and theologians.
Everyone is following a different road,
but we all end up in the same place!

Adoro la tua pazienza con l'altra sorellina.

Keep this up.

J.

 

[Johann]

@St. SteVen

Touche.

J.