Why should I worry about death? It's not gong to happen in my lifetime.
IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?
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Why should I worry about death? -> Well good luck with that because just last week a man died of a heart attack.
It's just acceptance of knowing it will happen for me. Maybe not for you.
St. SteVen
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You claim MY thread is divisive and then you work to marginalize me. ???
That's some fine work. Kudos.
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To understand what it means that there is no good news - no gospel, which means good news -, in calvinism,
you have to learn what calvinists actually believe.
Calvinists believe that man does not have free will.
If man does not have free will then he cannot choose God.
So, they believe that GOD MUST choose who will be saved.
They believe that before the beginning of the universe, God had already chosen who would be saved.
This would create an unloving and unjust God since He would not give to everyone the same opportunity
to be saved.
When we preach the gospel we tell persons that Jesus died for their sins and that they could be saved/be born again, by accepting this sacrifice that Jesus made for them and by believing in Him and obeying Him.
It's impossible for a calvinist to preach the good news because they don't believe a person has THE ABILITY to choose God...
they believe only God can choose who will be saved....
So where's the good news in that???
There is none!
Except for the lucky few that they think God chose to be saved/born again.
Answered above.
Yes!
This is called Conditional Election.
God elects us but BASED ON SOMETHING....
based on our acceptance of the gift of salvation which comes from believing and following Jesus.
This acceptance is a condition.
Calvinists do not believe this.
God CHOOSES EVERYONE who chooses His Son.
He let's US decide if we want to be saved/born again or not.
God respects us enough to give us free will to make that choice.
Absolutely.
Amen!
Any bible verses you read will agree with the above.
St. SteVen
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I could show you AGAIN. But you would brush it off as being "unbiblical".
Seems like pointless effort.
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Thanks for the explanation....Maybe this gospel?
(For the non-Americans in the audience, the cartoon references a mass-mailing campaign from Publisher's Clearinghouse advertising their sweepstakes.)
I've really been away too long...
Although I used to order books from them many moons ago.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
This is interesting...for me, I could not tell anyone that Jesus died for their sins, not until I received those words by divine revelation, I had to be Born Again to understand my sin...I only knew I was a sinner after I became Born Again by divine revelation.
My sin fell off me like a ton of bricks, I was as light as a feather...my testimony.
Remember I had never read a Bible ..not until after my conversion.
Romans 6:1-23 KJV
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory …
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St. SteVen
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
I don’t understand this, that’s not how it was for me.
I’m not disagreeing, I’m just saying I don’t understand where God in the Bible says, we can choose to be Born Again.
Where does he say we can choose to be Born Of The Spirit?
How do you decide?...I mean do you converse with God?
This is really for @Ritajanice but I ask that you chime in.
We have to say that man has always been saved through faith -
even before Jesus' death on the cross.
BUT, it's Jesus' death that has allowed the "gates of heaven" to be opened and has allowed all to go to heaven and to be removed from Hades which was the "waiting room" which was found in Jesus' story in Luke 16:19-31
The gates of heaven were opened when the Temple Curtain was torn from top to bottom at the death of Jesus:
Matthew 27:51
And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
This may sound strange to Ritajanice, but theologians who are trained to explain scripture, have deduced this from the bible teaching and is accepted by all denominations that I know of.
BUT
There's a difference between OT faith and NT faith.
In the OT the Holy Spirit existed but was exterior to us.
In the NT the Holy Spirit actually dwells within us.
1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Agreed, the Holy Spirit resides in my heart/ spirit, that’s where he has lived for the past 33 yrs......what a journey that has been, he’s the only one we can follow, but boy is it hard, to have suddenly been taken out of the world by His Spirit and placing us into his Kingdom.
It’s certainly a lifetime journey of walking and understanding all about the Spirit Of God....relating to him in our spirit takes years and years to understand ...even the we can only learn in his timing and by His Spirit.
We never stop learning, I don’t think this flesh will ever truly die...not until we are taken home to the Father.
My testimony and belief.
You've given this no thought SS.
Sorry.
As I've said many times on this very forum...
We cannot call ourselves Christian and then go about making up our own Christianity.
The view of @Johann is superior to yours because he believes in MAINLINE Christianity.
YES.
Theologians, from the beginning of time after the death of Jesus, have studied the words of Jesus and have studied the Apostles and what they wrote and they KNOW what was taught at the beginning of Christianity and up to the year 1,500AD.
We can differ somewhat on some nuance....
but we CANNOT MAKE UP OUR OWN RELIGION.
Otherwise, you're going to have to call it something else,,,
As I've stated before to you:
HE WHO BELIEVES EVERYTHING
BELIEVES NOTHING.
Calvinism is not biblical.
Universalism is not biblical.
Because some verses are taken out of the bible does not make a doctrine BIBLICAL.
Also, please stop insulting me and find out what persons mean when they say something is biblical....
They DO NOT MEAN that the verse comes from the bible.
Of course it comes from the bible....
Where else would it be coming from??
To be BIBLICAL a doctrine must be orthodox....do you know what orthodox means?
It's the same as what BIBLICAL means.
Hey Sister, I am wanting to sit here and read this bible I got called the young's literal translation, and its kind of like the King James Version but a more literal translation and maybe its meant for me to share with you, only God knows. When I read your message and flipped around a little bit my eyes fell on this.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Theologians who are trained?
To explain scripture by whom?
The problem with that is, whose even to say that a trained theologian is even been Born Again.?
I’ve spoken to a few theologians, they haven’t a clue what I have been talking about and vice versa.
I only listen to the Lord and I can only be led by Him by His Spirit...as soon as someone starts “ telling “ me how I should believe etc...I run for the hills.....some force their belief onto you, speaking from myself doing that....that is not of God....
Ritajanice
Born-Again
St. SteVen
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St. SteVen said:
The question remains unanswered.
Who determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)
Not a GOOD answer, but an answer none the less.
You say/infer: that "MAINLINE Christianity" determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)
Correct?
- How many denominations are there in "MAINLINE Christianity"?
- Are you claiming that they ALL agree on "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view) ???
- How many Protestant denominations are you trashing?
- Are you also trashing the Catholic Church?
- The Seventh Day Adventists? JWs?
Between the lines, I think you are saying that Evangelicalism
controls the "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)
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The question remains unanswered.
Who determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)
Finally, an answer, thanks.
Not a GOOD answer, but an answer none the less.
You say/infer: that "MAINLINE Christianity" determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)
Correct?
- How many denominations are there in "MAINLINE Christianity"?
- Are you claiming that they ALL agree on "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view) ???
- How many Protestant denominations are you trashing?
- Are you also trashing the Catholic Church?
- The Seventh Day Adventists? JWs?
Between the lines, I think you are saying that Evangelicalism
controls the "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)
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I never read a bible till about 8 years after!
It's good to have some time alone with our Lord....
you come to know some things churches can't teach you and
the bible alone cannot show you.
There are two ways to know God....
One is from learning....for instance, we learn that Jesus died to redeem us...
to buy us back from satan after he took hold of us in the Garden of Eden.
There are different atonement theories, each one correct in its own way...
all agree that Jesus died to forgive our sins because the damage done to the relationship
between man and God was so great that God had to have some kind of payment...Jesus' sacrifice was that payment.
Jesus died for the sins of EVERYONE...you can surely tell them that Jesus died for their sins.
BUT, you also have to say that they have to accept that payment by believing in Him as their Savior.
John 3:16-17
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Ephesians 2:8a
8For by grace you have been saved through faith;
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"Yes, the Reformed faith is unbiblical because it disagrees with "MAINSTREAM Christianity"? (Evangelicalism)
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IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?
So, your answer to the topic title question is:"Yes, the Reformed faith is unbiblical because it disagrees with "MAINSTREAM Christianity"? (Evangelicalism)
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