attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[Ritajanice]

Men are called to lead the church .

True, Amen!

 

[Ritajanice]

i have no idea . probably under the christain section for sure .

Ok, will probably start it tomorrow.

 

[Ritajanice]

Men and women who operate under the influence of GOD , of HIS SPIRIT
might know TRUTH , but the man is gonna be more authorativ

Couldn’t agree more, Amen!

 

[amigo de christo]

This is a prime example, I haven’t a clue what you are saying here, @amigo de christo understands you, as you imo are both at the same spiritual understanding of scripture.

Just like some understand what I say....


Everyone is at different levels....we need to understand that.imo.

Most of what you say I don’t understand, just being honest Sister, doesn’t mean it’s not from the Lord, it just means what it means to you and your understanding of what you believe God is teaching you, ...plus I don’t have to understand what you preach...I just need to understand what I believe God is speaking to my spirit.

God talks to us all in ways that we understand....your way is not my way of understanding the written word, no more than my way is your way of understanding the written word.

You want to know a lovely secrete . WHY do you think me and this sister
and a few others are of the same spiritual understanding .
I bet , i just bet they spend lots of time in scripture .
THe more time we spend in scripture , in prayer and etc , YOU WATCH what happens .
I have seen it happen , have witnessed it happen .
All of a sudden folks are learning are in agreement and the agreement IS ON THE TRUTH .
this is also why i have long begged us to get back into the bible again . just watch .

 

[Johann]

There is truth in this dear sister but please allow a flea to remind us of something .
Those who ignore TRUTH do so unto their own destruction .
And man i dont desire that for anyone . As i know you do not either .
SO allow me some parting words .
HUMANITY IS NOT GOD . and as such we should not set the feelings and emotions and thoughts
of humanity to pander and to cuddle those in error .
In the end and on the great day of the LORD i am sure there will be much regret . much sorrow
must pleading , much oh man why did i not listen .
BUT IT WILL BE TOO LATE . And if we find this hard to believe , then lets examine the bible again .
We are not GOD . and i repeat it again are NOT GOD .
The church should have been concerned with what offends GOD and not so much what offends humanity .
THE CHURCH should have been focused on the TRUE LOVE of GOD and not the love that panders and feeds the flesh .
That love i speak of , IT is GIVEN within the heart of the believer in CHRIST JESUS .
AND before folks holler , AS I ONCE DID TOO , oh we beleive in CHRIST JESUS thus that love is in us .
Folks might want to examine them some bible and see exactly WHAT IT IS and WHO IT IS they been a loving .
cause i sure dont seem to see much love for the biblical pattern of HOW to do and what to do
being LOVED by this generation .
I see rather folks that love to hear what MAN has to say about GOD , what man has to say about love
what man has to say is truth . and yet THERE IS A WAY that seemth right unto man but its end be death .
WHAT I SEE is many love A LIE and absolutely have no love for those whose LOVE is FOR GOD FIRST
and have come to try and help them . I DONT SEE IT sister . and i aint been seeing it either .
Too many have no idea what occured within a massive amount of christendom
a while back . THEY BELIEVE as do a child this verison of jesus they get sold , this version of love they get sold .
AND IT AINT THE LOVE OF GOD at all , IT AINT COMING from JESUS THE CHRIST , THE SPIRIT .
it cometh of another who does all to feed the flesh of man in order to gain the heart of man . AND IT AINT GOD .

How about we quote Scripture without verbal commentary?

Gen 1:1 The Creation
¶ In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth—
Gen 1:2 Now [Or “And”] the earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light!” And there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good, and God caused there to be a separation between the light and between the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, “Let there be a vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] in the midst of the waters, and let it cause a separation between the waters.” [Literally “Let there be a separation made between waters to waters”]
Gen 1:7 So [Or “And”] God made the vaulted dome, [Or “expanse”] and he caused a separation between the waters which were under the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] and between the waters which were over the vaulted dome. [Or “expanse”] And it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] “heaven.” [Or “sky”] And there was evening, and there was morning, a second day.

Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, “Let the waters under heaven [Or “the sky”] be gathered to one place, and let the dry ground appear.” And it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry ground “earth,” and he called the collection of the waters “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, “Let the earth produce green plants that will bear seed—fruit trees bearing fruit in which there is seed [Literally “which its seed is in it”]—according to its [Or “their”] kind, on the earth.” And it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth green plants bearing seed according to its [Or “their”] kind, and trees bearing fruit in which there was seed [Literally “which its seed is in it”] according to its [Or “their”] kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Gen 1:14 ¶ And God said, “Let there be lights [Or “light sources”] in the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven [Or “the sky”] to separate day from night, [Literally “to make a separation between the day and between the night”] and let them be as signs and for appointed times, and for days and years,
Gen 1:15 and they shall be as lights [Or “light sources”] in the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven [Or “the sky”] to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two lights, [Or “light sources”] the greater light [Or “light source”] to rule [Literally “as the authority of”] the day and the smaller light [Or “light source”] to rule [Literally “as the authority of”] the night, and the stars.
Gen 1:17 And God placed them in the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven [Or “the sky”] to give light on the earth
Gen 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate light from darkness. [Literally “make a separation between the light and between the darkness”] And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Gen 1:20 ¶ And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly over the earth across the face of the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven. [Or “the sky”]
Gen 1:21 So [Or “And”] God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kind, and every bird with wings according to its [Or “their”] kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let the birds multiply on the earth.”
Gen 1:23 And there was evening, and there was morning, a fifth day.

Gen 1:24 ¶ And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kind: cattle and moving things, and wild animals [Literally “animals of the earth/land”] according to their kind.” And it was so.
Gen 1:25 So [Or “And”] God made wild animals [Literally “animals of the earth/land”] according to their kind and the cattle according to their kind, and every creeping thing of the earth according to its [Or “their”] kind. And God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, “Let us make humankind in [Or “as”] our image and according to [Or “as”] our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of heaven, [Or “the sky”] and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every moving thing that moves upon the earth.”
Gen 1:27 So [Or “And”] God created humankind in [Or “as”] his image, in [Or “as”] the likeness of God he created him, [Or “it” collective: humankind ] male and female he created them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of heaven, [Or “the sky”] and over every animal that moves upon the earth.”

Gen 1:29 ¶ And God said, “Look—I am giving to you every plant that bears seed which is on the face of the whole earth, and every kind of tree that bears fruit. [Literally “which in it fruit of a tree bears seed”] They shall be yours as food.”
Gen 1:30 And to every kind of animal of the earth and to every bird of heaven, [Or “the sky”] and to everything that moves upon the earth in which there is life I am giving every green plant as food.” And it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning, a sixth day.

Great sermon, wasn't it @amigo de christo?

Stay tuned for chapter 2 next Sunday.

J.

 

[amigo de christo]

How about we quote Scripture without verbal commentary?

Gen 1:1 The Creation
¶ In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth—
Gen 1:2 Now [Or “And”] the earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light!” And there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good, and God caused there to be a separation between the light and between the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, “Let there be a vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] in the midst of the waters, and let it cause a separation between the waters.” [Literally “Let there be a separation made between waters to waters”]
Gen 1:7 So [Or “And”] God made the vaulted dome, [Or “expanse”] and he caused a separation between the waters which were under the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] and between the waters which were over the vaulted dome. [Or “expanse”] And it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] “heaven.” [Or “sky”] And there was evening, and there was morning, a second day.

Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, “Let the waters under heaven [Or “the sky”] be gathered to one place, and let the dry ground appear.” And it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry ground “earth,” and he called the collection of the waters “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, “Let the earth produce green plants that will bear seed—fruit trees bearing fruit in which there is seed [Literally “which its seed is in it”]—according to its [Or “their”] kind, on the earth.” And it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth green plants bearing seed according to its [Or “their”] kind, and trees bearing fruit in which there was seed [Literally “which its seed is in it”] according to its [Or “their”] kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Gen 1:14 ¶ And God said, “Let there be lights [Or “light sources”] in the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven [Or “the sky”] to separate day from night, [Literally “to make a separation between the day and between the night”] and let them be as signs and for appointed times, and for days and years,
Gen 1:15 and they shall be as lights [Or “light sources”] in the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven [Or “the sky”] to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two lights, [Or “light sources”] the greater light [Or “light source”] to rule [Literally “as the authority of”] the day and the smaller light [Or “light source”] to rule [Literally “as the authority of”] the night, and the stars.
Gen 1:17 And God placed them in the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven [Or “the sky”] to give light on the earth
Gen 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate light from darkness. [Literally “make a separation between the light and between the darkness”] And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Gen 1:20 ¶ And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly over the earth across the face of the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven. [Or “the sky”]
Gen 1:21 So [Or “And”] God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kind, and every bird with wings according to its [Or “their”] kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let the birds multiply on the earth.”
Gen 1:23 And there was evening, and there was morning, a fifth day.

Gen 1:24 ¶ And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kind: cattle and moving things, and wild animals [Literally “animals of the earth/land”] according to their kind.” And it was so.
Gen 1:25 So [Or “And”] God made wild animals [Literally “animals of the earth/land”] according to their kind and the cattle according to their kind, and every creeping thing of the earth according to its [Or “their”] kind. And God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, “Let us make humankind in [Or “as”] our image and according to [Or “as”] our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of heaven, [Or “the sky”] and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every moving thing that moves upon the earth.”
Gen 1:27 So [Or “And”] God created humankind in [Or “as”] his image, in [Or “as”] the likeness of God he created him, [Or “it” collective: humankind ] male and female he created them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of heaven, [Or “the sky”] and over every animal that moves upon the earth.”

Gen 1:29 ¶ And God said, “Look—I am giving to you every plant that bears seed which is on the face of the whole earth, and every kind of tree that bears fruit. [Literally “which in it fruit of a tree bears seed”] They shall be yours as food.”
Gen 1:30 And to every kind of animal of the earth and to every bird of heaven, [Or “the sky”] and to everything that moves upon the earth in which there is life I am giving every green plant as food.” And it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning, a sixth day.

Great sermon, wasn't it @amigo de christo?

Stay tuned for chapter 2 next Sunday.

J.

i have to admit that was lovely my friend . but you have seen me myself quoate scrip and expound upon it .
The thing is if what we are expounding is actually contradicting other scrips , THEN we gots to know OOOPS
our understanding be wrong . DO be encouraged . And that was quite lovely to read my friend .
I myself expound and comment on scrips . NEVER said it was wrong to do so my friend .
BUT the key is , is how we expound , is our greek or our etc twisting what it says or CONFIRMING the TRUTH .
see that be what must be examined . right there .
SO do be encouraged . Johann used to love this dear brother but sadly its seems you come after me .
I never once implied you were false . I just tried to warn us about the deceptoin of how many folks use greek .
never said all who use greek were false .

 

[amigo de christo]

How about we quote Scripture without verbal commentary?

Gen 1:1 The Creation
¶ In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth—
Gen 1:2 Now [Or “And”] the earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light!” And there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good, and God caused there to be a separation between the light and between the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, “Let there be a vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] in the midst of the waters, and let it cause a separation between the waters.” [Literally “Let there be a separation made between waters to waters”]
Gen 1:7 So [Or “And”] God made the vaulted dome, [Or “expanse”] and he caused a separation between the waters which were under the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] and between the waters which were over the vaulted dome. [Or “expanse”] And it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] “heaven.” [Or “sky”] And there was evening, and there was morning, a second day.

Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, “Let the waters under heaven [Or “the sky”] be gathered to one place, and let the dry ground appear.” And it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry ground “earth,” and he called the collection of the waters “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, “Let the earth produce green plants that will bear seed—fruit trees bearing fruit in which there is seed [Literally “which its seed is in it”]—according to its [Or “their”] kind, on the earth.” And it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth green plants bearing seed according to its [Or “their”] kind, and trees bearing fruit in which there was seed [Literally “which its seed is in it”] according to its [Or “their”] kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Gen 1:14 ¶ And God said, “Let there be lights [Or “light sources”] in the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven [Or “the sky”] to separate day from night, [Literally “to make a separation between the day and between the night”] and let them be as signs and for appointed times, and for days and years,
Gen 1:15 and they shall be as lights [Or “light sources”] in the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven [Or “the sky”] to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two lights, [Or “light sources”] the greater light [Or “light source”] to rule [Literally “as the authority of”] the day and the smaller light [Or “light source”] to rule [Literally “as the authority of”] the night, and the stars.
Gen 1:17 And God placed them in the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven [Or “the sky”] to give light on the earth
Gen 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate light from darkness. [Literally “make a separation between the light and between the darkness”] And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Gen 1:20 ¶ And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly over the earth across the face of the vaulted dome [Or “expanse”] of heaven. [Or “the sky”]
Gen 1:21 So [Or “And”] God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kind, and every bird with wings according to its [Or “their”] kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let the birds multiply on the earth.”
Gen 1:23 And there was evening, and there was morning, a fifth day.

Gen 1:24 ¶ And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kind: cattle and moving things, and wild animals [Literally “animals of the earth/land”] according to their kind.” And it was so.
Gen 1:25 So [Or “And”] God made wild animals [Literally “animals of the earth/land”] according to their kind and the cattle according to their kind, and every creeping thing of the earth according to its [Or “their”] kind. And God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, “Let us make humankind in [Or “as”] our image and according to [Or “as”] our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of heaven, [Or “the sky”] and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every moving thing that moves upon the earth.”
Gen 1:27 So [Or “And”] God created humankind in [Or “as”] his image, in [Or “as”] the likeness of God he created him, [Or “it” collective: humankind ] male and female he created them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of heaven, [Or “the sky”] and over every animal that moves upon the earth.”

Gen 1:29 ¶ And God said, “Look—I am giving to you every plant that bears seed which is on the face of the whole earth, and every kind of tree that bears fruit. [Literally “which in it fruit of a tree bears seed”] They shall be yours as food.”
Gen 1:30 And to every kind of animal of the earth and to every bird of heaven, [Or “the sky”] and to everything that moves upon the earth in which there is life I am giving every green plant as food.” And it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning, a sixth day.

Great sermon, wasn't it @amigo de christo?

Stay tuned for chapter 2 next Sunday.

J.

i have a great idea , how about we just READ the bible for ourselves and see what happens .
Be encouraged my friend .

 

[Johann]

i have to admit that was lovely my friend . but you have seen me myself quoate scrip and expound upon it .
The thing is if what we are expounding is actually contradicting other scrips , THEN we gots to know OOOPS
our understanding be wrong . DO be encouraged . And that was quite lovely to read my friend .
I myself expound and comment on scrips . NEVER said it was wrong to do so my friend .
BUT the key is , is how we expound , is our greek or our etc twisting what it says or CONFIRMING the TRUTH .
see that be what must be examined . right there .
SO do be encouraged . Johann used to love this dear brother but sadly its seems you come after me .
I never once implied you were false . I just tried to warn us about the deceptoin of how many folks use greek .
never said all who use greek were false .

Oh, I see, some explanation is needed—no Greek or Hebrew, just KJV only. And we’re focused on exegeting the text, not eisegeting, right?

J.

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh, I see, some explanation is needed—no Greek or Hebrew, just KJV only. And we’re focused on exegeting the text, not eisegeting, right?

J.

you aint reading very clearly whati been saying . what did i say about greek , about methods .
IF said greek is being used to twist , folks had better run .
BUT what did i also say , NOT EVERYONE that is USING greek is false .
You must slow down and read what i have been saying .
And i will and must warn us that most folks that use this hebrew and greek
most of them i have examined , THEY DUPING THIS PEOPLE .
they bring lots of truth in some places
but in the places that contradict their idea , orthe agenda i should say
THEY THEN USE that greek out of text to twist that which was written . MANY do this . johann a number so high
i cannot count or number it ARE DOING THIS .
But i never said you were . BUT YOU better watch out . you yourself had better watch out
cause i justbet its possible they are twisting a bit of it TO YOU as well . watch out friend .

 

[Johann]

you aint reading very clearly whati been saying . what did i say about greek , about methods .
IF said greek is being used to twist , folks had better run .
BUT what did i also say , NOT EVERYONE that is USING greek is false .
You must slow down and read what i have been saying .
And i will and must warn us that most folks that use this hebrew and greek
most of them i have examined , THEY DUPING THIS PEOPLE .
they bring lots of truth in some places
but in the places that contradict their idea , orthe agenda i should say
THEY THEN USE that greek out of text to twist that which was written . MANY do this . johann a number so high
i cannot count or number it ARE DOING THIS .
But i never said you were . BUT YOU better watch out . you yourself had better watch out
cause i justbet its possible they are twisting a bit of it TO YOU as well . watch out friend .

@amigo de christo when last did I hear you expounding on say-Put on the full panoplia of YHVH-

Eph 6:11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you may be able to stand against the stratagems of the devil,
Eph 6:12 because our struggle is not against blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places .

What is the purpose of putting on the panoplia? And why?

--or salvation, justification, sanctification, redemption and what that mean to us duped Christians?

J.

 

[Lizbeth]

There is truth in this dear sister but please allow a flea to remind us of something .
Those who ignore TRUTH do so unto their own destruction .
And man i dont desire that for anyone . As i know you do not either .
SO allow me some parting words .
HUMANITY IS NOT GOD . and as such we should not set the feelings and emotions and thoughts
of humanity to pander and to cuddle those in error .
In the end and on the great day of the LORD i am sure there will be much regret . much sorrow
must pleading , much oh man why did i not listen .
BUT IT WILL BE TOO LATE . And if we find this hard to believe , then lets examine the bible again .
We are not GOD . and i repeat it again are NOT GOD .
The church should have been concerned with what offends GOD and not so much what offends humanity .
THE CHURCH should have been focused on the TRUE LOVE of GOD and not the love that panders and feeds the flesh .
That love i speak of , IT is GIVEN within the heart of the believer in CHRIST JESUS .
AND before folks holler , AS I ONCE DID TOO , oh we beleive in CHRIST JESUS thus that love is in us .
Folks might want to examine them some bible and see exactly WHAT IT IS and WHO IT IS they been a loving .
cause i sure dont seem to see much love for the biblical pattern of HOW to do and what to do
being LOVED by this generation .
I see rather folks that love to hear what MAN has to say about GOD , what man has to say about love
what man has to say is truth . and yet THERE IS A WAY that seemth right unto man but its end be death .
WHAT I SEE is many love A LIE and absolutely have no love for those whose LOVE is FOR GOD FIRST
and have come to try and help them . I DONT SEE IT sister . and i aint been seeing it either .
Too many have no idea what occured within a massive amount of christendom
a while back . THEY BELIEVE as do a child this verison of jesus they get sold , this version of love they get sold .
AND IT AINT THE LOVE OF GOD at all , IT AINT COMING from JESUS THE CHRIST , THE SPIRIT .
it cometh of another who does all to feed the flesh of man in order to gain the heart of man . AND IT AINT GOD .

I understand what you're saying and agree. Just that in terms of growth, it's even like scripture, a lot of times we will pass by or just not really notice things we don't yet understand or aren't yet ready to hear. At least that is how it has been with me.

 

[Lizbeth]

Two things sister . ONE is you are a woman and i a man . YOU can bet we gonna have
a difference in how we approach .
Men are called to lead the church . now i know there are quite a few women who probably
in truth know a heck of a lot more than most of these leaders in churches today .
I can introduce you to one if you like .
Men and women who operate under the influence of GOD , of HIS SPIRIT
might know TRUTH , but the man is gonna be more authorative , more direct and
his approach will NOT be the same as a woman .
THE MAN is not better than the woman . DO DONT think i think that . I DONT .
BUT GOD DO as HE DO and AS HE DID for a reason . a reason i am not gonna challlenge or disobey .
And sadly most men who lead these churches today are more like women and children
and pull the chair out for the woman as he bows in submission to HER LEADING the church .
Most men , most people within christendom itself have no idea
what the church has lost . they stagger in darkness and cliam we see
but cannot see that at which they have stumbled . We are in serious trouble sister .
Now you might be wondering why i keep saying we . I say we cause I DO LOVE THE PEOPLE
and though i can by grace see the truth , MANY Can not see at all . BUT BELIEVE THEY DO .
WE got duped sister . i speak of the church in large and not everyone . I am very worried sister .
VERY . its not for me , JESUS HAS ME SISTER , its for THEM . FOR THEM . cause i desire not the death of any
yet by grace i can see the direction this generation is headed , and IT AINT TO GOD its to right to he who desired rather
to be AS GOD . Dont see that as an attack , its just simple truth . I worry A LOT more than you realize
for the souls of these people .

Totally agree brother. I unfortunately see it all the time, how women in charge are so often the main ones bringing in so called "diversity" and political correctness etc. As well as in the church big-time....all too often soft feminized new agey kumbaya gospel is coming from women pastors. I believe this is all part of judgment of both society and the church....being "ruled over by women" is not presented as a good thing in scripture.

Doesn't mean women should be ignored and never listened to, as I believe women can have a tempering influence on men which is sometimes needful....it's one way in which we can be helpmeets. Discernment is another, or whatever our gifts happen to be. But not to be in charge and have authority over churches, nope.

 

[Brakelite]

Amen brother. I'm more and more convinced of the wisdom of God in instructing us to "come out of her my people lest you partake of her sins and receive of her plagues"...deceptions. I know I had to come out in order to see clearly. And it shut out all the clamour and voices everywhere in order to hear the Shepherd's still small voice. It's hard to see the forest when you are amongst the trees. As well as sitting under what is false and under a wrong spiritual authority that sort of hangs over one and keeps the true light from getting in, so to speak. Put everything we have been taught thought we knew aside and just read the word of God for ourselves to see and hear what HE says. A fresh start.

I agree with you, and did exactly that 27 years ago. Humbled myself, pleaded forgiveness for my backsliding, my lack of spiritual responsibility toward my family, allowing myself to revert into old habits. I asked for a fresh start. I discarded everything I had previously learned, except the cross. Asked the Lord to teach me from the beginning. I didn't want to fall away again. Then I asked Him to bring my children home and hear the gospel, and healing for my marriage.
He spoke by reminding me of the scripture...
"Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you. "
I believed His word and promise. It wasn't long before my children did come home, spent time with me listening about my new found faith, and my marriage was healed and today never better. However.
I would caution that Jesus is the Great Shepherd, and His goal is one flock. United in one purpose. Share the good news that God is love, He's coming soon, and it's time for the bride to get ready, and to be dressed in the appropriate garment... Christ's righteousness. To "come out of her" I do not believe means to wander aimlessly in the wilderness of non-denominationalism and independence. God began with an organised, structured, united, mission-focused, people- focused, Holy Spirit filled, Christ centered, commandment-keeping, faith filled, church. Accountable, loving, lovers of and defenders of truth, and unafraid to speak truth to power. But also submissive to authority and willing to grow and edify others in a community of believers dedicated to glorifying God and honouring Him in all things. That was the Apostolic church. That paradigm changed over time, as Paul warned it would, and the Christian world, even from the time of the apostle John, fragmented into a kaleidoscope of differing, disconnected, disjointed, independent heretical lines of error. There were however, throughout history, isolated groups who cleaved to the truth despite persecution and the prevailing culture.
Good, I believe, wants, even needs a group of people who, through the fidelity to the truth, have a true and sound understanding of the nature and character of God. This is the remnant. And there are biblical identifiers that set that church apart. A remnant is the last piece of a bolt of cloth. It has the same pattern as the first part. Revelation gives us clues as to where to look to find this church.
1. It keeps God's commandments. Revelation 12:17;14:6.
2. It has the testimony of Jesus, which is the Spirit of prophecy. Revelation 12:17; 19:10
3. Virgins. They have no relations with harlots, that is the fallen daughters of the Mother of harlots, the apostate protestant churches that have returned to Rome through ecumenism. Revelation 14:4; 17:5
4. Father's name written in their foreheads, the seal of God. Names reflect character. These are they who submitted to Christ in all things and were changed into the image of Christ. They have His righteousness, and are His bride, prepared without blemish and without spot. Revelation 14:4,5
5. Because they take the gospel to all the world, they are a global, organised, structured, mission centered church. Revelation 14:6-12
6. That gospel is specific for these times. It is nuanced to reflect the dangers, the deceptions, and apostasy surrounding them. Revelation 14:6-12
7. They uphold Christ. They don't place man above Christ. They call out Antichrist, identify him, using scripture to expose his history, and his practise and doctrine, that replaces Christ with a system that usurps the prerogatives of God.
8. This remnant, while global, is not a majority. It is small. Materially weak. Despised by many, held in suspicion by the rest. Is the ultimate target of satan, who slanders, lies, gossips, denigrates and belittles her at every opportunity. Revelation 12:17

The above is the ideal that I believe God, through prophecy, is aiming for. It does not mean that such a church has achieved that exalted position. Not yet, but I do believe it isn't far away. That church is meeting some of this requirements today.
To come out of Babylon means to enter into something else. One cannot stay in limbo and believe neutrality is an option. There will be only 2 churches to choose from in the final days. Babylon the Harlot united with the state and her apostate daughters who will make up the bulk of earth's population, and a small group of faithful persecuted commandment keepers. Both global. Both mission centered. Yes, even Babylon has a gospel. See Revelation 16:13,14. False of course, but it will unite the world into a frenetic state of global hatred against one small church, hated of all nations for the name of Jesus. That battle, that war that Satan has been prophecied as waging against this remnant, is Satan's final attempt to destroy his people before Christ comes.

When I started again, the Lord didn't lead me to a church that was flirting with Rome. Nor a church I had ashtray attended previously and found wanting. In fact, it was the only church that was continuing to protest her counterfeit Antichrist deceptions as the reformers and martyrs of Jesus had done fit the last 1000 years or so. The only church preaching the 3 angels messages of Revelation 14:6-12. The only church that along with this other things noted above, also keeps all of God's commandments, as shown in prophecy.

There are many people on a forum and different things that people share and say can be speaking to some people but not necessarily all.....everyone is free to ignore and pass by anything that is not speaking to them or that they aren't interested in or drawn to at the time. I see Jesus as leading His flock to green pastures and each sheep browses as they will in whatever part of the pasture they will.

Religious freedom is essential for true worship. Worship any other way is coerced or forced, and ceases to be worship. That flock you speak of isn't fragmented though, and everyone doing what he feels is right in his own eyes as Israel were doing during the time of the Judges. Today, people are keeping doctrines and believing in doctrines and dogma that horribly contradict the character of God. The final controversy between Christ and Satan, the present spiritual warfare we are engaged in is one of polemics. It's over the mind. How we think. The seal of God is implanted in the mind...it is the character of Christ. The mark of the beast is also implanted in the mind, but also in the hand. It is the character of satan. Our destiny lies in either one of those 2 ways. It is a matter of choice as to whose authority we submit to. Keeping the commandments of God or the doctrines and traditions of man.

 

[Marvelloustime]

There is truth in this dear sister but please allow a flea to remind us of something .
Those who ignore TRUTH do so unto their own destruction .
And man i dont desire that for anyone . As i know you do not either .
SO allow me some parting words .
HUMANITY IS NOT GOD . and as such we should not set the feelings and emotions and thoughts
of humanity to pander and to cuddle those in error .
In the end and on the great day of the LORD i am sure there will be much regret . much sorrow
must pleading , much oh man why did i not listen .
BUT IT WILL BE TOO LATE . And if we find this hard to believe , then lets examine the bible again .
We are not GOD . and i repeat it again are NOT GOD .
The church should have been concerned with what offends GOD and not so much what offends humanity .
THE CHURCH should have been focused on the TRUE LOVE of GOD and not the love that panders and feeds the flesh .
That love i speak of , IT is GIVEN within the heart of the believer in CHRIST JESUS .
AND before folks holler , AS I ONCE DID TOO , oh we beleive in CHRIST JESUS thus that love is in us .
Folks might want to examine them some bible and see exactly WHAT IT IS and WHO IT IS they been a loving .
cause i sure dont seem to see much love for the biblical pattern of HOW to do and what to do
being LOVED by this generation .
I see rather folks that love to hear what MAN has to say about GOD , what man has to say about love
what man has to say is truth . and yet THERE IS A WAY that seemth right unto man but its end be death .
WHAT I SEE is many love A LIE and absolutely have no love for those whose LOVE is FOR GOD FIRST
and have come to try and help them . I DONT SEE IT sister . and i aint been seeing it either .
Too many have no idea what occured within a massive amount of christendom
a while back . THEY BELIEVE as do a child this verison of jesus they get sold , this version of love they get sold .
AND IT AINT THE LOVE OF GOD at all , IT AINT COMING from JESUS THE CHRIST , THE SPIRIT .
it cometh of another who does all to feed the flesh of man in order to gain the heart of man . AND IT AINT GOD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

just cause everyone may be at different levels dont mean sin and error does not need to be corrected .
I watched what they did to the churches sister .
years ago i witnessed that which led to why folks now see things and believe the way they do .
The poor churches never stood a chance . But still they are at fault .
cause HOW were my eyes opened , I mean did GOD look down from heaven
and see some wonderful good man and decide hey i can use that man .
OR rather did HE see one of the worst of the worst and sent grace to change the heart of said man
putting a LOVE for GOD , First and formost upon the heart of such a man .
I can say all day the churches never had a chance . Because they were super slick the way they did this .
BUT , in the end The decieved have only ONE to blame . THEMSELVES . they rejected
and loved rather their sin and darkness and chose to love and embrace a lie which they so desire to call love .

 

[Marvelloustime]

you aint reading very clearly whati been saying . what did i say about greek , about methods .
IF said greek is being used to twist , folks had better run .
BUT what did i also say , NOT EVERYONE that is USING greek is false .
You must slow down and read what i have been saying .
And i will and must warn us that most folks that use this hebrew and greek
most of them i have examined , THEY DUPING THIS PEOPLE .
they bring lots of truth in some places
but in the places that contradict their idea , orthe agenda i should say
THEY THEN USE that greek out of text to twist that which was written . MANY do this . johann a number so high
i cannot count or number it ARE DOING THIS .
But i never said you were . BUT YOU better watch out . you yourself had better watch out
cause i justbet its possible they are twisting a bit of it TO YOU as well . watch out friend .

Brother @amigo de christo is spotted!

 

[Lizbeth]

I agree with you, and did exactly that 27 years ago. Humbled myself, pleaded forgiveness for my backsliding, my lack of spiritual responsibility toward my family, allowing myself to revert into old habits. I asked for a fresh start. I discarded everything I had previously learned, except the cross. Asked the Lord to teach me from the beginning. I didn't want to fall away again. Then I asked Him to bring my children home and hear the gospel, and healing for my marriage.
He spoke by reminding me of the scripture...
"Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you. "
I believed His word and promise. It wasn't long before my children did come home, spent time with me listening about my new found faith, and my marriage was healed and today never better. However.
I would caution that Jesus is the Great Shepherd, and His goal is one flock. United in one purpose. Share the good news that God is love, He's coming soon, and it's time for the bride to get ready, and to be dressed in the appropriate garment... Christ's righteousness. To "come out of her" I do not believe means to wander aimlessly in the wilderness of non-denominationalism and independence. God began with an organised, structured, united, mission-focused, people- focused, Holy Spirit filled, Christ centered, commandment-keeping, faith filled, church. Accountable, loving, lovers of and defenders of truth, and unafraid to speak truth to power. But also submissive to authority and willing to grow and edify others in a community of believers dedicated to glorifying God and honouring Him in all things. That was the Apostolic church. That paradigm changed over time, as Paul warned it would, and the Christian world, even from the time of the apostle John, fragmented into a kaleidoscope of differing, disconnected, disjointed, independent heretical lines of error. There were however, throughout history, isolated groups who cleaved to the truth despite persecution and the prevailing culture.
Good, I believe, wants, even needs a group of people who, through the fidelity to the truth, have a true and sound understanding of the nature and character of God. This is the remnant. And there are biblical identifiers that set that church apart. A remnant is the last piece of a bolt of cloth. It has the same pattern as the first part. Revelation gives us clues as to where to look to find this church.
1. It keeps God's commandments. Revelation 12:17;14:6.
2. It has the testimony of Jesus, which is the Spirit of prophecy. Revelation 12:17; 19:10
3. Virgins. They have no relations with harlots, that is the fallen daughters of the Mother of harlots, the apostate protestant churches that have returned to Rome through ecumenism. Revelation 14:4; 17:5
4. Father's name written in their foreheads, the seal of God. Names reflect character. These are they who submitted to Christ in all things and were changed into the image of Christ. They have His righteousness, and are His bride, prepared without blemish and without spot. Revelation 14:4,5
5. Because they take the gospel to all the world, they are a global, organised, structured, mission centered church. Revelation 14:6-12
6. That gospel is specific for these times. It is nuanced to reflect the dangers, the deceptions, and apostasy surrounding them. Revelation 14:6-12
7. They uphold Christ. They don't place man above Christ. They call out Antichrist, identify him, using scripture to expose his history, and his practise and doctrine, that replaces Christ with a system that usurps the prerogatives of God.
8. This remnant, while global, is not a majority. It is small. Materially weak. Despised by many, held in suspicion by the rest. Is the ultimate target of satan, who slanders, lies, gossips, denigrates and belittles her at every opportunity. Revelation 12:17

The above is the ideal that I believe God, through prophecy, is aiming for. It does not mean that such a church has achieved that exalted position. Not yet, but I do believe it isn't far away. That church is meeting some of this requirements today.
To come out of Babylon means to enter into something else. One cannot stay in limbo and believe neutrality is an option. There will be only 2 churches to choose from in the final days. Babylon the Harlot united with the state and her apostate daughters who will make up the bulk of earth's population, and a small group of faithful persecuted commandment keepers. Both global. Both mission centered. Yes, even Babylon has a gospel. See Revelation 16:13,14. False of course, but it will unite the world into a frenetic state of global hatred against one small church, hated of all nations for the name of Jesus. That battle, that war that Satan has been prophecied as waging against this remnant, is Satan's final attempt to destroy his people before Christ comes.

When I started again, the Lord didn't lead me to a church that was flirting with Rome. Nor a church I had ashtray attended previously and found wanting. In fact, it was the only church that was continuing to protest her counterfeit Antichrist deceptions as the reformers and martyrs of Jesus had done fit the last 1000 years or so. The only church preaching the 3 angels messages of Revelation 14:6-12. The only church that along with this other things noted above, also keeps all of God's commandments, as shown in prophecy.

I think my vision differs from yours, if I can find the words to try and explain it. The purpose of the wilderness is to slay the flesh nature....it is the burying our corn of wheat in the ground so that it can produce a spiritual crop. The giving back of our "Isaac" to God. The biggest temptation of the wilderness, as I see the lessons of Lot coming out of Sodom, is to settle back down in Zoar (little Sodom) instead of keeping on going to the mountains (high place in God) as the Lord had instructed Lot. That is uncrucified flesh trying to build a smaller version of what God has brought us out of, and it will lead to the same end. I believe that is what led to the daughters of Lot not trusting in an invisible Father/Husband to give them fruit (of the womb being a picture of spiritual fruit)....they were relying on what was visible and tangible, relying on visible man (pastors/teachers/prophets) instead of on Christ. The flesh is a hungry beast and it wants what it wants to satisfy and feed it....it wants what it can see and control and handle. The priests hunger to rule by their own means and the people love to have it so. We need to trust God unto the death of our soul/flesh-life and not be tempted to revert back to something man-made. It's a hard ask.....it all goes contrary to logic and seems so risky....God's ways are not man's ways. It seems like a waste of a good corn of wheat that you can eat, but if you let it die it will be resurrected into something that can feed more people. It's a picture of the cross, the journey that Jesus took. Just think if that were us in Gethsemane what would have gone through our minds.....we might have reasoned with the Father, "but Father if I live I can keep on witnessing and ministering and getting more people healed and saved".

Only God by His Spirit can build and lead His church. And I believe hardship and tribulations are necessary for it to ripen and mature. I see it as an invisible church, not visible, that we can say lo here it is or lo there. If we are a scattered flock then so be it...that is only on the surface.....spiritually we are all gathered in Christ. Jesus said ye shall know them by their fruits, not by their church organization. The difference between the early church and the end time church is that while "great grace" was upon the early church, in the end when the rot and transgression is coming to the full, the Spirit is departing the visible church. We need to avoid the temptation to "form" into something visible and tangible what the Lord in His sovereignty has allowed to be scattered. I consider that the scattering is even necessary in the wisdom of God because when the invitation to the wedding feast is turned down by those who the King already knows and are in His circle, He then sends His servants OUT to the highways and byways to the unchurched that the wedding may be full. Think it's significant that in the end it's the tares that are bundled together while the wheat remains all over the field enduring and waiting patiently to be gathered to the barn. "In your patience possess ye your souls."

The call to "come out of her" is not a time of business as usual for the church, that is a call that goes out in both old and new testaments just prior to the Lord judging the harlot church called Babylon who is also spiritually called Sodom, and the reason for getting His sheep out is so that we will not be judged along with spiritual Babylon/Sodom.

 

[Lizbeth]

Religious freedom is essential for true worship. Worship any other way is coerced or forced, and ceases to be worship. That flock you speak of isn't fragmented though, and everyone doing what he feels is right in his own eyes as Israel were doing during the time of the Judges. Today, people are keeping doctrines and believing in doctrines and dogma that horribly contradict the character of God. The final controversy between Christ and Satan, the present spiritual warfare we are engaged in is one of polemics. It's over the mind. How we think. The seal of God is implanted in the mind...it is the character of Christ. The mark of the beast is also implanted in the mind, but also in the hand. It is the character of satan. Our destiny lies in either one of those 2 ways. It is a matter of choice as to whose authority we submit to. Keeping the commandments of God or the doctrines and traditions of man.

Amen, the Lord doesn't force His word and will on us. That would not produce spiritual fruit, only artificial fruit.

I think I agree with the rest if I'm understanding what you are saying. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil pertains to the subtle and deceiving serpent and the carnal mind, which is enmity with God....the natural man cannot perceive the things of God.......while the Tree of Life pertains to Christ and the spiritual mind of Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen, the Lord doesn't force His word and will on us. That would not produce spiritual fruit, only artificial fruit.

I think I agree with the rest if I'm understanding what you are saying. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil pertains to the subtle and deceiving serpent and the carnal mind, which is enmity with God....the natural man cannot perceive the things of God.......while the Tree of Life pertains to Christ and the spiritual mind of Christ.

Religious freedom is not what is essential to worship GOD .
Look , i know i am about to sound like a broken record yet again .
LOOK at the langague again . there is a massive false movement amongst all and that do mean ALL the denominations .
What is the big movement centered on with the evangelical camp .
WHAT TWO words do you hear a lot . RELIGIOUS FREEDOM . i am afraid its but another version
that has come to seduce that certain last man standing camp to fall .
Now i know most every adventists is not gonna believe or even want to dare to beleive
that even their organization has been infiltrated .
While GOD DONT FORCE , HE SURE DO WARN
dont HE .
GOD simply giveth free will . CHOOSE YE THIS DAY and CHOOSE wisely whom we shall serve .
OH i know in part what is said by brakelite would be true . BUT i know how this delusion works .
IT SPEAKS in part . ALWAYS blending and always mixing .
RELIGOIUS FREEDOM . Did paul go around preaching that , or did he go around warning some folks .
I gurantee you that even the adventist realm has been infiltrated . EVERY realm has .
WHILE this might not mean every one within HAS BEEN INFILTRATED , IT DO MEAN the Denomination has been .
I dont like the message i am seeing getting preached today and it focuses on what
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND TOLERANCE . ANY Guesses on why that is .
And why IS IT all seem to be under that influence . when i say all i mean the group , not indiviudual .
KEEP that in mind . I promise every group within mainstream has been infiltrated .
IT dont , however mean that every group within said party HAS been .
Folks have no idea what is occuring . FORCE .
how much you bet , in time even that word will be used against the preaching of the gospel . DONT FORCE YOUR RE:LIG:OIN
on us . RELIGOIUS FREEDOM is A DECEPTOIN SISTER . though it do contain truths and it will use them to seduce .
HOW much you bet even those groups are gonna hear words like YOUR FORCING your beliefs
YOUR FORCING your beliefs . USED TO SHUT DOWN THE GOSPEL , USED TO SHUT DOWN CORRECTION .
The adventist camp has been infiltratred as well as every known denomination .
My advice is we focus more on biblical doctrine and less on thoughts .

 

[amigo de christo]

religous freedom and religoius tolerance is a guise . AND IF YOU HEARING this in your meeting place
WATCH OUT , it means its been infiltrated .
WHY cant we just preach the simple biblical truth .
The dark one knows how to sell this to any and every group he do enter . HE KNOWS how to pander
to their own doctrine and yet be twisting a lie to them all .