attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[amigo de christo]

Understanding comes from the Lord, His Spirit, the mind of Christ. It's by faith...ie, spiritually discerned. And as we follow Jesus along the narrow way, paying the price to follow Him, we are "buying" truth as go along., ie, paying a price for it. (As the bible says to "buy the truth but sell it not." ) But yes, there are variables, on the best day things aren't always as neat and tidy as we would like. ( We can see how it was even in the early church with Paul especially always having to confront and deal with serious issues.) For one thing there is the matter of gifts and callings, and also that we only know in part, and for another as you mentioned there is the aspect of growth and the Lord will have us tweek and amend some things as we grow and gain new understanding. But then there is the reality that there is such a thing as outright deception and deceivers and false teachers etc, among the flock. We're in a war and war is a messy business.

In spite of the variables I believe we need to all at least be getting the foundation right, otherwise that would be falling away from sound doctrine, aka apostasy. And sadly that is what we are seeing too much of in our day.

Psa 11:3
If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

We can have some differences that we don't have to go loggerheads at, but when it comes to the foundational things, well that is when I believe we need to contend for the faith. And for me that is how I distinguish a false gospel from the true...by the foundation.

2Co 11:2-4

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Correct dear sister . Look at what you wrote concerning paul .
We can see how it was even in the early church with paul especially always having to CONFRONT and deal
with serious issues .
Now what do you NOT notice today with their version of judge not etc .
THEY TOOK off dealing and confronting with said issues and THAT IS HOW their churches did leaven up .
Till now they see even one who would and does deal with these deadly sin issues
with these dissimuilations , with contrary doctrines , AS BEING HATERS who JUDGE .
You see , i have always known there is no such thing as a perfect church , due to we got people in said churches
who are gonna err and mess things up . BUT THIS is why i have always said
YOUR LEADERS NEED to be VERY WELL instructed with biblical doctrine and that pattern , LONG before they ever once
stood up to begin to teach . THEY should have been tested , and not by mens doctrines and beliefs , BUT BY
the VERY words of GOD in said bible , and their behavoir and character should have been matured up and seasoned .
But for years in many places its been leaders who sat under MENS docrtrines mixed in witih SOME TRUTHS
and over the years the leaders got worse , the churches got worse , the doctrine goes bunk
and it just keeps getting worse .
And when men keep silencing the mouths of those who do correct , well when folks who err and are in sin
are not corrected and held accountable for their actions , YOU CAN BET ERROR will beget more error
and the leaven will leaven up not only the man in error but the CHURCH TOO .

 

[Lizbeth]

The very foundation . I say again the very Foundation of the one true faith
has in large been removed from within the walls of a lot of churches .
Another jesus is getting preached . This other jesus will accept certain sins , other paths
and all the while this other version preached will use the word love and tolerance a lot . unity a lot .
When another image of CHRIST , of GOD is presented , THIS IMAGE In no way cometh of GOD
but of men through darkness who loved and made A LIE .
I dont think some people grasp the depths of how very subtile the serpent is and how he can add just a little leaven
here and there until the very image of GOD , of CHRIST has been completely altered .
Leaven leavens and error will always beget more error .
But long ago another image of GOD and of CHRIST was presented through the judge not seeker friendly
ways of man . Of those who were somehow convinced that the biblical version of CHRIST , His words
and that doctrine were just too darn offensive to grow a church and had to be toned down .
WHEN evanglism changes , The converts won are not being WON to CHRIST but rather to a wordly verison of SAID CHRIST .
Which , i repeat , IS NOT CHRIST .
This is why i keep reminding folks to simply get into the bible . The bible IS IN NO WAY
as complicated as clever men who desired a following , have made it out to be .
Its not . Sure we might not understand everything at once . But WITH THE LORD and IN TIME
things will clear up . IF ONLY ........................

Amen brother. I'm more and more convinced of the wisdom of God in instructing us to "come out of her my people lest you partake of her sins and receive of her plagues"...deceptions. I know I had to come out in order to see clearly. And it shut out all the clamour and voices everywhere in order to hear the Shepherd's still small voice. It's hard to see the forest when you are amongst the trees. As well as sitting under what is false and under a wrong spiritual authority that sort of hangs over one and keeps the true light from getting in, so to speak. Put everything we have been taught thought we knew aside and just read the word of God for ourselves to see and hear what HE says. A fresh start.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen brother. I'm more and more convinced of the wisdom of God in instructing us to "come out of her my people lest you partake of her sins and receive of her plagues"...deceptions. I know I had to come out in order to see clearly. And it shut out all the clamour and voices everywhere in order to hear the Shepherd's still small voice. It's hard to see the forest when you are amongst the trees. As well as sitting under what is false and under a wrong spiritual authority that sort of hangs over one and keeps the true light from getting in, so to speak. Put everything we have been taught thought we knew aside and just read the word of God for ourselves to see and hear what HE says. A fresh start.

Come ye out of her my people unless YOU DO PARTAKE of HER SINS and then RECIEVE the plagues to COME against her
and her children , BY the VERY GOD she denied .
YEAH .
THERE is a reason why GOD first said and later the apostels say and even in revelation it is said
COME YE OUT , DO NOT BE UNEQUALLY yoked .
THERE is a reason GOD rebuked a church for even ALLOWING a false one to teach and to seduce those people .
GOD KNOWS what is best for us . GOD does not desire the death of the wicked
GOD desires they repent . GOD desires they HEED and OBEY HIM and FOLLOW THE GREAT SHEPARD KING JESUS
and to have fellowship with those WHO DO SO . WHO are not wolves in wool that seduce .
What did paul remind timothy about men who praticed evil
FLEE SUCH MEN . HE didnt say OH DONT JUDGE timothy , DONT JUDGE just hug and have fellowship with said men .
HE SAID FLEE SUCH MEN . they KNEW SISTER . I am fully persauded
that the Apostels DID IN FACT KNOW CHRIST and thus what they taught CAME OF THE SPIRIT
and if we do examine their teachings WE SEE THOSE teachings AGREE WITH WHAT JESUS TAUGHT
and even makes things clearer . IN other words , What TIME is it ...............its time for this people and all
who name the name of CHRIST to depart from inquity and get in those bibles to learn for ourselves
what man has FAILED to teach but rather twiseted unto his own destruction . LEARN the DOCTRINE for ourselves .
Men , there are too many men to count that are leading flocks astray . TRUST IN GOD , TEST ALL MEN .

 

[Ritajanice]

Understanding comes from the Lord, His Spirit, the mind of Christ. It's by faith...ie, spiritually discerned. And as we follow Jesus along the narrow way, paying the price to follow Him, we are "buying" truth as go along., ie, paying a price for it. (As the bible says to "buy the truth but sell it not." ) But yes, there are variables, on the best day things aren't always as neat and tidy as we would like. ( We can see how it was even in the early church with Paul especially always having to confront and deal with serious issues.) For one thing there is the matter of gifts and callings, and also that we only know in part, and for another as you mentioned there is the aspect of growth and the Lord will have us tweek and amend some things as we grow and gain new understanding. But then there is the reality that there is such a thing as outright deception and deceivers and false teachers etc, among the flock. We're in a war and war is a messy business.

In spite of the variables I believe we need to all at least be getting the foundation right, otherwise that would be falling away from sound doctrine, aka apostasy. And sadly that is what we are seeing too much of in our day.

Psa 11:3
If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

We can have some differences that we don't have to go loggerheads at, but when it comes to the foundational things, well that is when I believe we need to contend for the faith. And for me that is how I distinguish a false gospel from the true...by the foundation.

2Co 11:2-4

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Your understanding of scripture is very different to mine Sister...I don’t understand the written word as you understand it.....we all journey with the Lord very differently.

Take becoming Born Again, you understand it very differently to the way I understand it.

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Thank you for your opinions and belief.

Only the Spirit can lead us through scripture....another human being cannot.

You understand scripture the way you believe God has revealed it to you.

Everyone else does the same....when we start telling people how they should think or read scripture, it will then start going down hill......we should not force our opinions/ beliefs onto others, it’s called control.

As soon as I see that..I stop reading...your way or the high way....I don’t mean you personally, I mean all of us....we need to stop “ TELLING “ people that what we preach is right.

 

[Lizbeth]

Correct dear sister . Look at what you wrote concerning paul .
We can see how it was even in the early church with paul especially always having to CONFRONT and deal
with serious issues .
Now what do you NOT notice today with their version of judge not etc .
THEY TOOK off dealing and confronting with said issues and THAT IS HOW their churches did leaven up .
Till now they see even one who would and does deal with these deadly sin issues
with these dissimuilations , with contrary doctrines , AS BEING HATERS who JUDGE .
You see , i have always known there is no such thing as a perfect church , due to we got people in said churches
who are gonna err and mess things up . BUT THIS is why i have always said
YOUR LEADERS NEED to be VERY WELL instructed with biblical doctrine and that pattern , LONG before they ever once
stood up to begin to teach . THEY should have been tested , and not by mens doctrines and beliefs , BUT BY
the VERY words of GOD in said bible , and their behavoir and character should have been matured up and seasoned .
But for years in many places its been leaders who sat under MENS docrtrines mixed in witih SOME TRUTHS
and over the years the leaders got worse , the churches got worse , the doctrine goes bunk
and it just keeps getting worse .
And when men keep silencing the mouths of those who do correct , well when folks who err and are in sin
are not corrected and held accountable for their actions , YOU CAN BET ERROR will beget more error
and the leaven will leaven up not only the man in error but the CHURCH TOO .

I think there's a kind of principle that people need to be weaned off mother church in order to grow and mature and learn knowledge. That means no longer relying on men to teach us but relying on the Lord, and then He may speak to us at times through others, once we are strong and grown up enough to discern and eat the meat and spit out the bones. Depending on men (mother church) is for children and infants and that is why we are easily led astray when we are "young" in the Lord. So important to get to the point of being taught by the Lord. Jesus is coming for a grown up bride and part of how we are preparing for Him is by maturing and being weaned. (You know when children grow up fastest....in times of war and tribulations....that is why it comes nearer to His return I think....to grow His flock up and make us ready.) The idea is to grow the children up to present them to the LORD, that they cleave to HIM and learn of HIM. Like being a parent in the natural realm, time comes when we must let our children go, that we get out of the way and leave them in HIS capable hands and watch Him being a faithful and able Shepherd and Father to them, praise His name.

Psa 131:1-3

LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.
Let Israel hope in the LORD from henceforth and for ever.


1Jo 2:27

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Ritajanice]

Amen brother. I'm more and more convinced of the wisdom of God in instructing us to "come out of her my people lest you partake of her sins and receive of her plagues"...deceptions. I know I had to come out in order to see clearly. And it shut out all the clamour and voices everywhere in order to hear the Shepherd's still small voice. It's hard to see the forest when you are amongst the trees. As well as sitting under what is false and under a wrong spiritual authority that sort of hangs over one and keeps the true light from getting in, so to speak. Put everything we have been taught thought we knew aside and just read the word of God for ourselves to see and hear what HE says. A fresh start.

This is a prime example, I haven’t a clue what you are saying here, @amigo de christo understands you, as you imo are both at the same spiritual understanding of scripture.

Just like some understand what I say....


Everyone is at different levels....we need to understand that.imo.

Most of what you say I don’t understand, just being honest Sister, doesn’t mean it’s not from the Lord, it just means what it means to you and your understanding of what you believe God is teaching you, ...plus I don’t have to understand what you preach...I just need to understand what I believe God is speaking to my spirit.

God talks to us all in ways that we understand....your way is not my way of understanding the written word, no more than my way is your way of understanding the written word.

 

[Ritajanice]

Just always remember if what I say or anyone else says contradicts other scrips
EVEN if we bring a scrip , Then something is off .
And this means we need to examine what we think we have learned .
One quick and easy example would be this .
Say for example the GOD head . Now of course i know that especially
in the earlier days of our walk this is not in any way understood fully .
But here is a bad example , watch this sister .

Say someone shows up and says JESUS is in no way GOD .
They bring a scrip showing us HOW he PRAYED TO GOD and said the FATHER Is greater than I .
Now that one scrip may make thier point seem to be valid .

I don’t understand this Brother to be honest, scripture isn’t God is it?

I can only understand by divine revelation, does that make sense?

Where the written word is backed up by my hearing what I believe the divine word is speaking to my heart....then I check what I believe God is speaking/ testifying to my spirit with the written word...remember I became Born Again having never read a Bible, God has always testified with my heart/ spirit from day one, then it’s checked by the written word...hope that makes sense.

UNTIL we read OTHER things JESUS said .
Now once we do we see the scrip this other person brought us , was completely misunderstood
to make THEIR POINT valid , when in truth their point is False .
And the other places in scrips can prove their point false .
Does that make sense .

 

[Ritajanice]

Actually this does sound like a good idea my friend .
Open one up and tag me and others . Let us begin to do all to clear things up . This can easily be done .

What shall I head the topic ,Brother?..

 

[Lizbeth]

Your understanding of scripture is very different to mine Sister...I don’t understand the written word as you understand it.....we all journey with the Lord very differently.

Take becoming Born Again, you understand it very differently to the way I understand it.

Thank you for your opinions and belief.

Only the Spirit can lead us through scripture....another human being cannot.

You understand scripture the way you believe God has revealed it to you.

Everyone else does the same....when we start telling people how they should think or read scripture, it will then start going down hill......we should not force our opinions/ beliefs onto others, it’s called control.

As soon as I see that..I stop reading...your way or the high way....I don’t mean you personally, I mean all of us....we need to stop “ TELLING “ people that what we preach is right.

I completely agree that our flesh should never stand in the way between another soul and God. But there are times when it might be needful and appropriate to speak with persuasiveness, conviction or urgency, etc. Still it's up to any individual what they will receive or not receive, and to also allow that seeds often need time before they take root. I think if we are speaking the truth, God's word, it will not return void, we can trust and rest in the knowledge that it's having some good effect somehow whether we are seeing it or not, because it's mighty in God. And if we are at rest, our flesh is out of the way....the Lord doesn't need "our" or "my" help.

I never thought that we have a different understanding of being born again sister, that I can remember. How do you mean?....can you elaborate?

 

[Ritajanice]

I completely agree that our flesh should never stand in the way between another soul and God. But there are times when it might be needful and appropriate to speak with persuasiveness, conviction or urgency, etc. Still it's up to any individual what they will receive or not receive, and to also allow that seeds often need time before they take root. I think if we are speaking the truth, God's word, it will not return void, we can trust and rest in the knowledge that it's having some good effect somehow whether we are seeing it or not, because it's mighty in God. And if we are at rest, our flesh is out of the way....the Lord doesn't need "our" or "my" help.

Ok thanks, Amen!

I never thought that we have a different understanding of being born again sister, that I can remember. How do you mean?....can you elaborate?

Sorry Sis, I agree we have agreed regarding Born Again, I have you mixed up with a male member on here...we both disagree about how one becomes Born Again.

 

[Lizbeth]

This is a prime example, I haven’t a clue what you are saying here, @amigo de christo understands you, as you imo are both at the same spiritual understanding of scripture.

Just like some understand what I say....


Everyone is at different levels....we need to understand that.imo.

Most of what you say I don’t understand, just being honest Sister, doesn’t mean it’s not from the Lord, it just means what it means to you and your understanding of what you believe God is teaching you, ...plus I don’t have to understand what you preach...I just need to understand what I believe God is speaking to my spirit.

God talks to us all in ways that we understand....your way is not my way of understanding the written word, no more than my way is your way of understanding the written word.

There are many people on a forum and different things that people share and say can be speaking to some people but not necessarily all.....everyone is free to ignore and pass by anything that is not speaking to them or that they aren't interested in or drawn to at the time. I see Jesus as leading His flock to green pastures and each sheep browses as they will in whatever part of the pasture they will.

 

[Ritajanice]

There are many people on a forum and different things that people share and say can be speaking to some people but not necessarily all.....everyone is free to ignore and pass by anything that is not speaking to them or that they aren't interested in or drawn to at the time. I see Jesus as leading His flock to green pastures and each sheep browses as they will in whatever part of the pasture they will.

What a lovely post..can you believe I fully understand what you are saying., hehehe....

God Bless Sis as you journey with the Lord...

 

[amigo de christo]

This is a prime example, I haven’t a clue what you are saying here, @amigo de christo understands you, as you imo are both at the same spiritual understanding of scripture.

Just like some understand what I say....


Everyone is at different levels....we need to understand that.imo.

just cause everyone may be at different levels dont mean sin and error does not need to be corrected .
I watched what they did to the churches sister .
years ago i witnessed that which led to why folks now see things and believe the way they do .
The poor churches never stood a chance . But still they are at fault .
cause HOW were my eyes opened , I mean did GOD look down from heaven
and see some wonderful good man and decide hey i can use that man .
OR rather did HE see one of the worst of the worst and sent grace to change the heart of said man
putting a LOVE for GOD , First and formost upon the heart of such a man .
I can say all day the churches never had a chance . Because they were super slick the way they did this .
BUT , in the end The decieved have only ONE to blame . THEMSELVES . they rejected
and loved rather their sin and darkness and chose to love and embrace a lie which they so desire to call love .

 

[Ritajanice]

just cause everyone may be at different levels dont mean sin and error does not need to be corrected .
I watched what they did to the churches sister .

I understand that is your calling Brother, it’s certainly not mine .

What shall I head that topic about examples you said you will join?

Maybe you could lead it, is it ok if I tag you when you tell me what to head the topic as in wording the topic?

 

[amigo de christo]

There are many people on a forum and different things that people share and say can be speaking to some people but not necessarily all.....everyone is free to ignore and pass by anything that is not speaking to them or that they aren't interested in or drawn to at the time. I see Jesus as leading His flock to green pastures and each sheep browses as they will in whatever part of the pasture they will.

There is truth in this dear sister but please allow a flea to remind us of something .
Those who ignore TRUTH do so unto their own destruction .
And man i dont desire that for anyone . As i know you do not either .
SO allow me some parting words .
HUMANITY IS NOT GOD . and as such we should not set the feelings and emotions and thoughts
of humanity to pander and to cuddle those in error .
In the end and on the great day of the LORD i am sure there will be much regret . much sorrow
must pleading , much oh man why did i not listen .
BUT IT WILL BE TOO LATE . And if we find this hard to believe , then lets examine the bible again .
We are not GOD . and i repeat it again are NOT GOD .
The church should have been concerned with what offends GOD and not so much what offends humanity .
THE CHURCH should have been focused on the TRUE LOVE of GOD and not the love that panders and feeds the flesh .
That love i speak of , IT is GIVEN within the heart of the believer in CHRIST JESUS .
AND before folks holler , AS I ONCE DID TOO , oh we beleive in CHRIST JESUS thus that love is in us .
Folks might want to examine them some bible and see exactly WHAT IT IS and WHO IT IS they been a loving .
cause i sure dont seem to see much love for the biblical pattern of HOW to do and what to do
being LOVED by this generation .
I see rather folks that love to hear what MAN has to say about GOD , what man has to say about love
what man has to say is truth . and yet THERE IS A WAY that seemth right unto man but its end be death .
WHAT I SEE is many love A LIE and absolutely have no love for those whose LOVE is FOR GOD FIRST
and have come to try and help them . I DONT SEE IT sister . and i aint been seeing it either .
Too many have no idea what occured within a massive amount of christendom
a while back . THEY BELIEVE as do a child this verison of jesus they get sold , this version of love they get sold .
AND IT AINT THE LOVE OF GOD at all , IT AINT COMING from JESUS THE CHRIST , THE SPIRIT .
it cometh of another who does all to feed the flesh of man in order to gain the heart of man . AND IT AINT GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

I understand that is your calling Brother, it’s certainly not mine .

What shall I head that topic about examples you said you will join?

Maybe you could lead it, is it ok if I tag you when you tell me what to head the topic as in wording the topic?

call it BIBLE TIME . if you desire . just tag me in on it .
Many have no idea what occured in christendom many years ago .
And it has led them into rebellion against the VERY GOD they think they follow and love .
I dont say that to be mean , I say it out of great desperation and much begging and pleading
for those i desire only good for sister . WE GOT DUPED sister . we truly did .

 

[Ritajanice]

call it BIBLE TIME . if you desire . just tag me in on it .
Many have no idea what occured in christendom many years ago .
And it has led them into rebellion against the VERY GOD they think they follow and love .
I dont say that to be mean , I say it out of great desperation and much begging and pleading
for those i desire only good for sister . WE GOT DUPED sister . we truly did .

What section of the forum shall I post it?..thanks Brother.

 

[amigo de christo]

I understand that is your calling Brother, it’s certainly not mine .

What shall I head that topic about examples you said you will join?

Maybe you could lead it, is it ok if I tag you when you tell me what to head the topic as in wording the topic?

Two things sister . ONE is you are a woman and i a man . YOU can bet we gonna have
a difference in how we approach .
Men are called to lead the church . now i know there are quite a few women who probably
in truth know a heck of a lot more than most of these leaders in churches today .
I can introduce you to one if you like .
Men and women who operate under the influence of GOD , of HIS SPIRIT
might know TRUTH , but the man is gonna be more authorative , more direct and
his approach will NOT be the same as a woman .
THE MAN is not better than the woman . DO DONT think i think that . I DONT .
BUT GOD DO as HE DO and AS HE DID for a reason . a reason i am not gonna challlenge or disobey .
And sadly most men who lead these churches today are more like women and children
and pull the chair out for the woman as he bows in submission to HER LEADING the church .
Most men , most people within christendom itself have no idea
what the church has lost . they stagger in darkness and cliam we see
but cannot see that at which they have stumbled . We are in serious trouble sister .
Now you might be wondering why i keep saying we . I say we cause I DO LOVE THE PEOPLE
and though i can by grace see the truth , MANY Can not see at all . BUT BELIEVE THEY DO .
WE got duped sister . i speak of the church in large and not everyone . I am very worried sister .
VERY . its not for me , JESUS HAS ME SISTER , its for THEM . FOR THEM . cause i desire not the death of any
yet by grace i can see the direction this generation is headed , and IT AINT TO GOD its to right to he who desired rather
to be AS GOD . Dont see that as an attack , its just simple truth . I worry A LOT more than you realize
for the souls of these people .

 

[amigo de christo]

What section of the forum shall I post it?..thanks Brother.

i have no idea . probably under the christain section for sure .

 

[Ritajanice]

Two things sister . ONE is you are a woman and i a man . YOU can bet we gonna have
a difference in how we approach .

Very true....Amen!