attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[GodsGrace]

If you have time, read through this thread...

Thread 'No Denomination named... Evidence Presented... You Decide' No Denomination named... Evidence Presented... You Decide

Naturally, as is common with all threads of this nature, there is disagreement. But read through my posts carefully. Discern how much it fits not only with prophecy, but with logic and reason. God expects us to reason with Him. He does not want us to leave our brains at the door of the church and trust in blind faith and the presumptions and assumptions of others.

I don't belong to a denomination so I surely do not leave my brain at the door.
Used to be Catholic many many years ago. I do know the theology (as much as is possible for a lay person).
Then Protestant for many years.... but I find problems lately with Protestantism.
So, I go everywhere with an open mind.
Thanks.

 

[Brakelite]

Hi Brother, just a question, how do we know that we speak Gods truth?

Let’s face it, so many of us here interpret scripture very differently don’t we?

Why do people interpret the scriptures? Are they written in another language? Why not simply accept the scriptures as written? Sure, there are some passages that are hard to understand, and there's a lot of symbolism in prophecy, but God has promised that
“If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. ”
John 7:17 KJV

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He has also promised His Holy Spirit to those who genuinely seek and love the truth.

Take for example prophetic symbolism. The Bible itself tells us what the symbols represent. For example. There are several prophecies that mention sea.

“2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. ”
Daniel 7:2-3 KJV
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“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. ”
Revelation 13:1 KJV
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So. What is the sea? We find the answer elsewhere...

“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. ”
Revelation 17:15 KJV
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God is not inconsistent in His symbolism. He doesn't use one symbol for one thing, and for another somewhere else. He isn't trying to hide the truth. Pictorial representations are the most effectual means by which to reveal truth.
Beasts are nations or empires. The bigger the horns, the greater it's predatorial power. Empires that wage war to dominate. To trample upon rights of conscience. So beasts coming up out of the sea... nations rising up to dominate in populated areas. The rougher and more boisterous the sea, the worse the wars and unrest that accompanies those nations. See how logical everything becomes... that isn't interpretation. It's taking God at His word. Believing His word as it reads. The reformers came up with the solution to centuries of ignorance and institutional trampling of truth by through giving scriptures prejudiced explanations to support lying theories... they discovered that the Bible interprets itself.
When you find Christians who give the scriptures an explanation that cannot be supported with other scripture... they are making it up.
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. ”
Isaiah 8:20 KJV

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[Lizbeth]

number one , i never said you WERE catholic . what i did say was true . many prostestants are now heavily
influenced by catholic doctrine and the agenda .
that is a fact .
And this sister never said you were one either . she said HE seems catholic . what i said is truth my friend .
Its very sad to see this happening within christendom .
I shall pray for you . But you are in danger my friend . And if i didnt care about you and others , i would not bother
trying to warn you all . But out of great love for all peoples , and i desire only good for them
i must and i shall continue to warn against this massive deceptoin which is all over and within even christendom .

Amen. If people only knew the true nature of the tender trap that has a hold of them it would make them sick. Ishtar (Easter) riding the beast....the lion of Babylon.....(archeologists have literally unearthed the idolatrous statue of this, 2600 years old which the faithful Israelites like Daniel and all the Israelites would have seen when they were carried off to Babylon so the imagery of Mystery Babylon riding the beast would have been well known to the early mostly Jewish church). Ishtar called the queen of heaven, also known as Ashtoreth/Ashtaroth/Asherah....she was a consort of Baal (who I believe is a figure for Satan....god of this world).

This is what the Israelites were constantly being warned against by God and were constantly falling into until the Lord finally gave them completely over to it.....captivity and exile to Babylon. And to think these things happened to them for OUR example and warning....nothing new under the sun. It's the spirit of the world....."catholic" means universal and announces what it is.....anyone and everyone with their false gods is welcome to be taken captive into that seductive and deceptive fold......Mystery Babylon, mother of harlots. Goddess of war and fertility and sensual love....aka the flesh. It's a complete and very subtle, seductive and seeker-friendly faced (on the surface) counterfeit to the true faith....a tender TRAP...a baited SNARE. I thank God He has opened my eyes to these things and I hope it may help others...we are essentially being warned against the Mystery Babylon counterfeit from cover to cover. May the Lord have mercy and rescue souls.

The true gospel is not universal, it's exclusive......"those who were appointed to salvation believed" and we are required to lose our idols to join with Christ, not try to serve God and Baal/Ishtar at the same time. This is why Catholicism, that spirit, does not set people free from their idols.....because a pantheon of gods/idols is actually its nature. It only has a "form" of Godliness, rites and rituals, sacraments, but no power of God.

People need to dig deep and truly learn what this means:

2Co 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[Brakelite]

I don't belong to a denomination so I surely do not leave my brain at the door.

I don't think membership of a denomination is necessarily a characteristic of stupidity, nor necessarily a guarantee against it. And sorry if I have caused offence, I wasn't suggesting you in particular belong to that class. Just saying that God's expectations are for us to think. Not simply accept others opinions, but trust His promises as presented in His word.

 

[Brakelite]

Amen. If people only knew the true nature of the tender trap that has a hold of them it would make them sick. Ishtar (Easter) riding the beast....the lion of Babylon.....(archeologists have literally unearthed the idolatrous statue of this, 2600 years old which the faithful Israelites like Daniel and all the Israelites would have seen when they were carried off to Babylon so the imagery of Mystery Babylon riding the beast would have been well known to the early mostly Jewish church). Ishtar called the queen of heaven, also known as Ashtoreth/Ashtaroth/Asherah....she was a consort of Baal (who I believe is a figure for Satan....god of this world).

This is what the Israelites were constantly being warned against by God and were constantly falling into until the Lord finally gave them completely over to it.....captivity and exile to Babylon. And to think these things happened to them for OUR example and warning....nothing new under the sun. It's the spirit of the world....."catholic" means universal and announces what it is.....anyone and everyone with their false gods is welcome to be taken captive into that seductive and deceptive fold......Mystery Babylon, mother of harlots. Goddess of war and fertility and sensual love....aka the flesh. It's a complete and very subtle, seductive and seeker-friendly faced (on the surface) counterfeit to the true faith....a tender TRAP...a baited SNARE. I thank God He has opened my eyes to these things and I hope it may help others...we are essentially being warned against the Mystery Babylon counterfeit from cover to cover. May the Lord have mercy and rescue souls.

The true gospel is not universal, it's exclusive......"those who were appointed to salvation believed" and we are required to lose our idols to join with Christ, not try to serve God and Baal/Ishtar at the same time. This is why Catholicism, that spirit, does not set people free from their idols.....because a pantheon of gods/idols is actually its nature. It only has a "form" of Godliness, rites and rituals, sacraments, but no power of God.

People need to dig deep and truly learn what this means:

2Co 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

So. Very good. Now you have identified the beast... papal Rome... what is its mark? I think that is fairly important to get right.

 

[Ritajanice]

Why do people interpret the scriptures? Are they written in another language? Why not simply accept the scriptures as written? Sure, there are some passages that are hard to understand, and there's a lot of symbolism in prophecy, but God has promised that
“If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. ”
John 7:17 KJV

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He has also promised His Holy Spirit to those who genuinely seek and love the truth.

Take for example prophetic symbolism. The Bible itself tells us what the symbols represent. For example. There are several prophecies that mention sea.

“2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. ”
Daniel 7:2-3 KJV
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“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. ”
Revelation 13:1 KJV
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So. What is the sea? We find the answer elsewhere...

“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. ”
Revelation 17:15 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

God is not inconsistent in His symbolism. He doesn't use one symbol for one thing, and for another somewhere else. He isn't trying to hide the truth. Pictorial representations are the most effectual means by which to reveal truth.
Beasts are nations or empires. The bigger the horns, the greater it's predatorial power. Empires that wage war to dominate. To trample upon rights of conscience. So beasts coming up out of the sea... nations rising up to dominate in populated areas. The rougher and more boisterous the sea, the worse the wars and unrest that accompanies those nations. See how logical everything becomes... that isn't interpretation. It's taking God at His word. Believing His word as it reads. The reformers came up with the solution to centuries of ignorance and institutional trampling of truth by through giving scriptures prejudiced explanations to support lying theories... they discovered that the Bible interprets itself.
When you find Christians who give the scriptures an explanation that cannot be supported with other scripture... they are making it up.
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. ”
Isaiah 8:20 KJV

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Thanks for explaining your way of understanding the Bible.
I will have to study your post , will get back to you later, God willing

 

[Ritajanice]

Why do people interpret the scriptures? Are they written in another language? Why not simply accept the scriptures as written? Sure, there are some passages that are hard to understand, and there's a lot of symbolism in prophecy, but God has promised that
“If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. ”
John 7:17 KJV

Let’s start here, how would you know that you are in the will of God?

he shall know the doctrine, how shall he know the doctrine by which you speak of?

Must we be Born Again to know and understand the doctrine?

Who brings us to understanding the written word of God?

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He has also promised His Holy Spirit to those who genuinely seek and love the truth.

He has promised His Holy Spirit, by what means has he promised His Holy Spirit?

How would you know or where would you know that one has received His Holy Spirit?

What does God mean when he says you must be Born Again to “ see” the Kingdom Of God.

With what do we see the Kingdom Of God?...do we need eyes and ears to see the Kingdom of God @Brakelite , what does he mean by eyes and ears?

What do you make of this commentary Brother?

What are spiritual eyes and ears?
When you became a Christian, God gave you spiritual sight and hearingso you could begin experiencing His presence and activity all around you. The Holy Spirit helps you to develop these spiritual senses as you walk with Him. Spiritual sensitivity to God is a gift that must be accepted and exercised.

Personally I believe that spiritual sensitivity is a wonderful gift, after all we serve a “ Living God” which is mind blowing in itself, don’t you agree?

Romans 8:14reminds us, “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” This passage emphasises the significance of your sensitivity to the Holy Spirit's leading. God's Word is a lamp to our feet and a light to our path (Psalm 119:105).

 

[Ritajanice]

I don't think membership of a denomination is necessarily a characteristic of stupidity, nor necessarily a guarantee against it. And sorry if I have caused offence, I wasn't suggesting you in particular belong to that class. Just saying that God's expectations are for us to think. Not simply accept others opinions, but trust His promises as presented in His word.

Amen!!...well said...thank you.

 

[Brakelite]

Let’s start here, how would you know that you are in the will of God?

he shall know the doctrine, how shall he know the doctrine by which you speak of?

Must we be Born Again to know and understand the doctrine?

Who brings us to understanding the written word of God?

He has promised His Holy Spirit, by what means has he promised His Holy Spirit?

How would you know or where would you know that one has received His Holy Spirit?

What does God mean when he says you must be Born Again to “ see” the Kingdom Of God.

With what do we see the Kingdom Of God?...do we need eyes and ears to see the Kingdom of God @Brakelite , what does he mean by eyes and ears?

What do you make of this commentary Brother?

What are spiritual eyes and ears?
When you became a Christian, God gave you spiritual sight and hearingso you could begin experiencing His presence and activity all around you. The Holy Spirit helps you to develop these spiritual senses as you walk with Him. Spiritual sensitivity to God is a gift that must be accepted and exercised.

Personally I believe that spiritual sensitivity is a wonderful gift, after all we serve a “ Living God” which is mind blowing in itself, don’t you agree?

Romans 8:14reminds us, “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” This passage emphasises the significance of your sensitivity to the Holy Spirit's leading. God's Word is a lamp to our feet and a light to our path (Psalm 119:105).

I agree totally that it is essential for Christians to be filled with the Spirit of God. Christ in us, the hope of glory. However, history is awash with people who claimed to have the Spirit of God, and led others to places like Waco, Guyana, and kool-aid refreshments. If those people had only trusted in the scriptures as the foundation of faith and practise, a lot of disasters would have been avoided. Sure, we may step out in faith, trusting that the Spirit of God is leading us. But we are human, and sometimes we allow our personal interests to colour our sensibilities and understanding. I've done that. Took my family to another city, ostensibly to do mission work, but deep down I knew it was not the Lord's leading, but carried on anyway ignoring the convictions to please another. It took years, a lot of pain, and circuitous moving to get back to a semblance of God will. Yet even on the side road, many good things happened by the grace of God, and we learned much about life and faith which otherwise we would have remained blind to. So sometimes even our mistakes can be for our good. "All things work together etc etc..." Romans 8:28.

 

[Ritajanice]

I agree totally that it is essential for Christians to be filled with the Spirit of God. Christ in us, the hope of glory. However, history is awash with people who claimed to have the Spirit of God, and led others to places like Waco, Guyana, and kool-aid refreshments. If those people had only trusted in the scriptures as the foundation of faith and practise, a lot of disasters would have been avoided. Sure, we may step out in faith, trusting that the Spirit of God is leading us. But we are human, and sometimes we allow our personal interests to colour our sensibilities and understanding. I've done that. Took my family to another city, ostensibly to do mission work, but deep down I knew it was not the Lord's leading, but carried on anyway ignoring the convictions to please another. It took years, a lot of pain, and circuitous moving to get back to a semblance of God will. Yet even on the side road, many good things happened by the grace of God, and we learned much about life and faith which otherwise we would have remained blind to. So sometimes even our mistakes can be for our good. "All things work together etc etc..." Romans 8:28.

Brilliant testimony Brother, really spoke to my heart, thank you for sharing God’s wisdom to us.

This is what I needed to hear today, thank you Father God, you know exactly what I need to see and hear!..Praise your Holy Name!

 

[Lizbeth]

So. Very good. Now you have identified the beast... papal Rome... what is its mark? I think that is fairly important to get right.

Please let me know your thoughts, but as we are marked in Christ with the seal of the Holy Spirit....I tend to think the mark of the beast is also a spirit...a deluding cult spirit. As the scripture says, God will send a strong delusion to all who received not a love of the truth. But this might also have its shadows in the physical realm as well.

 

[Brakelite]

Please let me know your thoughts, but as we are marked in Christ with the seal of the Holy Spirit....I tend to think the mark of the beast is also a spirit...a deluding cult spirit. As the scripture says, God will send a strong delusion to all who received not a love of the truth. But this might also have its shadows in the physical realm as well.

I will formulate as succinct a response as I can. Thanks for asking. Maybe a day or two as I have preparations to complete for the coming Sabbath, but will respond when I can. Just a point as food for thought. There are real world physical and monetary ramifications for refusing the mark. (Revel13and14 That makes the acceptance of the mark a choice, albeit accompanied by consequences. And the mark in the head is the same as the seal of God. It's one of the other. The mark is all about worship, and the ability to continue to participate in society the incentive to cooperate. It isn't a physical mark, but nevertheless obvious to observers which side you have chosen. In the forehead means a conscientious decision. The seal of God is a conscientious decision to obey God and worship Him only. The mark shares that criteria, only you have chosen the beast and his authority and to submit to that authority in obedience above the authority of God's commandments. The old story. Shall I obey God or man?
The mark in the hand covers those who accept it for convenience. Fear. They know conscientiously it's wrong, or they may not be sure, but go along with the program (worship according to the beasts dictates) because they love their family above God and fear that if he obeys God, they will suffer. He doesn't trust God to provide and honour his faithfulness. You cannot be sealed in the hand. God doesn't accept your worship because it's convenient, or habit, or tradition, or business reasons.

Must we be Born Again to know and understand the doctrine?

Yes. Jesus was begotten twice. In eternity He was begotten of the Father, and by inheritance received the Father's name, authority, honour and glory, which He laid aside in order to become flesh. So also do we need to die to self, and allow God to recreate us in His image. Born twice. This change in us is a change in mind. Our former blindness is removed and we are able to discern spiritual truths. We learn to perceive the presence of God, and also Satan who is constantly on the alert for any and all opportunity to turn us away from truth and light. God does protect us, but we need to remain alert, wary, and cautious that we never open an avenue for Satan to enter. Once in, we have have given him access and permission to attempt to break down the next door or wall to go deeper and darker. Every step we allow him be gains power over us and doesn't give up until we are either overcome, or we by the grace of God, overcome him. But both Satan and God move in our lives only by our permission.

“7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. ”
Romans 8:7-19, 21-25, 27-28 KJV

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[amigo de christo]

Hi Brother, just a question, how do we know that we speak Gods truth?

Let’s face it, so many of us here interpret scripture very differently don’t we?

When we use scripture and how we understand said scripture contradicts other places IN scrips ,
well lets just say THAT IS HOW WE KNOW it aint truth .
If you like i can bring examples . You are loved dear sister .

 

[Ritajanice]

When we use scripture and how we understand said scripture contradicts other places IN scrips ,

The thing is though Brother, we all understand said scripture very differently....we all get it wrong, we are all growing and maturing in the word.

This is what I’m trying to say,

well lets just say THAT IS HOW WE KNOW it aint truth .

Ah, I think I am starting to understand what you mean by examples, ..as you say, how we know it ain’t truth.

Do you mean by examples that it ain’t truth, because what we/ they say isn’t biblical?...it’s just their/ our testimony/ opinions/ beliefs.

If you like i can bring examples . You are loved dear sister .

You can bring examples my friend..that would be interesting, then we can see if everyone agrees with your examples/ each other’s examples......maybe start a thread on examples, ...it would be an interesting study, see where it takes us.

Brother I would love to do a study on examples with you, can I start a thread on examples ?

How would I head the topic if you are in agreement with it?

Maybe you could lead the study?...or at least lead me through the study, I’m only talking for myself not others, then I can question you through our study...anyway I will leave it in God’s hands.

 

[Brakelite]

The thing is though Brother, we all understand said scripture very differently....we all get it wrong, we are all growing and maturing in the word.

This is what I’m trying to say,

Ah, I think I am starting to understand what you mean by examples, ..as you say, how we know it ain’t truth.

Do you mean by examples that it ain’t truth, because what we/ they say isn’t biblical?...it’s just their/ our testimony/ opinions/ beliefs.



You can bring examples my friend..that would be interesting, then we can see if everyone agrees with your examples/ each other’s examples......maybe start a thread on examples, ...it would be an interesting study, see where it takes us.

Brother I would love to do a study on examples with you, can I start a thread on examples ?

How would I head the topic if you are in agreement with it?

Maybe you could lead the study?...or at least lead me through the study, I’m only talking for myself not others, then I can question you through our study...anyway I will leave it in God’s hands.

And that's precisely what this thread is about. Numerous different denominations, sharing some beliefs, differing in others, but not allowed to discuss them because it is deemed as attacking by the denomination whose doctrine is being criticised.
The result is that horrible compromising surrender of intellect, "agree to disagree".
In other words, imagine if you will 3 people standing at the gates of heaven, all disagreeing with one another on the nature and ministry of Christ, but only one is correct.. Jesus comes up and asks, so. Who do you say that I am? 3 answers. "Couldn't you work it out?"asks Jesus. "You all had bibles".
Um, we agreed to disagree. I think in such a scenario all 3 will be turned away. Not because they didn't understand what is truth, but because they couldn't be bothered going deep enough and persisting long enough to find it.

 

[Ritajanice]

And that's precisely what this thread is about. Numerous different denominations, sharing some beliefs, differing in others, but not allowed to discuss them because it is deemed as attacking by the denomination whose doctrine is being criticised.
The result is that horrible compromising surrender of intellect, "agree to disagree".
In other words, imagine if you will 3 people standing at the gates of heaven, all disagreeing with one another on the nature and ministry of Christ, but only one is correct.. Jesus comes up and asks, so. Who do you say that I am? 3 answers. "Couldn't you work it out?"asks Jesus. "You all had bibles".
Um, we agreed to disagree. I think in such a scenario all 3 will be turned away. Not because they didn't understand what is truth, but because they couldn't be bothered going deep enough and persisting long enough to find it.

Amen!!

I try to stay open minded Brother, took God a long time to open up this stubborn mind of mine.

Thank you again for your insightful post.

 

[Lizbeth]

The thing is though Brother, we all understand said scripture very differently....we all get it wrong, we are all growing and maturing in the word.

This is what I’m trying to say,

Understanding comes from the Lord, His Spirit, the mind of Christ. It's by faith...ie, spiritually discerned. And as we follow Jesus along the narrow way, paying the price to follow Him, we are "buying" truth as go along., ie, paying a price for it. (As the bible says to "buy the truth but sell it not." ) But yes, there are variables, on the best day things aren't always as neat and tidy as we would like. ( We can see how it was even in the early church with Paul especially always having to confront and deal with serious issues.) For one thing there is the matter of gifts and callings, and also that we only know in part, and for another as you mentioned there is the aspect of growth and the Lord will have us tweek and amend some things as we grow and gain new understanding. But then there is the reality that there is such a thing as outright deception and deceivers and false teachers etc, among the flock. We're in a war and war is a messy business.

In spite of the variables I believe we need to all at least be getting the foundation right, otherwise that would be falling away from sound doctrine, aka apostasy. And sadly that is what we are seeing too much of in our day.

Psa 11:3
If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

We can have some differences that we don't have to go loggerheads at, but when it comes to the foundational things, well that is when I believe we need to contend for the faith. And for me that is how I distinguish a false gospel from the true...by the foundation.

2Co 11:2-4

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

 

[amigo de christo]

Understanding comes from the Lord, His Spirit, the mind of Christ. It's by faith...ie, spiritually discerned. And as we follow Jesus along the narrow way, paying the price to follow Him, we are "buying" truth as go along., ie, paying a price for it. (As the bible says to "buy the truth but sell it not." ) But yes, there are variables, on the best day things aren't always as neat and tidy as we would like. ( We can see how it was even in the early church with Paul especially always having to confront and deal with serious issues.) For one thing there is the matter of gifts and callings, and also that we only know in part, and for another as you mentioned there is the aspect of growth and the Lord will have us tweek and amend some things as we grow and gain new understanding. But then there is the reality that there is such a thing as outright deception and deceivers and false teachers etc, among the flock. We're in a war and war is a messy business.

In spite of the variables I believe we need to all at least be getting the foundation right, otherwise that would be falling away from sound doctrine, aka apostasy. And sadly that is what we are seeing too much of in our day.

Psa 11:3
If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

We can have some differences that we don't have to go loggerheads at, but when it comes to the foundational things, well that is when I believe we need to contend for the faith. And for me that is how I distinguish a false gospel from the true...by the foundation.

2Co 11:2-4

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

The very foundation . I say again the very Foundation of the one true faith
has in large been removed from within the walls of a lot of churches .
Another jesus is getting preached . This other jesus will accept certain sins , other paths
and all the while this other version preached will use the word love and tolerance a lot . unity a lot .
When another image of CHRIST , of GOD is presented , THIS IMAGE In no way cometh of GOD
but of men through darkness who loved and made A LIE .
I dont think some people grasp the depths of how very subtile the serpent is and how he can add just a little leaven
here and there until the very image of GOD , of CHRIST has been completely altered .
Leaven leavens and error will always beget more error .
But long ago another image of GOD and of CHRIST was presented through the judge not seeker friendly
ways of man . Of those who were somehow convinced that the biblical version of CHRIST , His words
and that doctrine were just too darn offensive to grow a church and had to be toned down .
WHEN evanglism changes , The converts won are not being WON to CHRIST but rather to a wordly verison of SAID CHRIST .
Which , i repeat , IS NOT CHRIST .
This is why i keep reminding folks to simply get into the bible . The bible IS IN NO WAY
as complicated as clever men who desired a following , have made it out to be .
Its not . Sure we might not understand everything at once . But WITH THE LORD and IN TIME
things will clear up . IF ONLY ........................

 

[amigo de christo]

The thing is though Brother, we all understand said scripture very differently....we all get it wrong, we are all growing and maturing in the word.

This is what I’m trying to say,

Ah, I think I am starting to understand what you mean by examples, ..as you say, how we know it ain’t truth.

Do you mean by examples that it ain’t truth, because what we/ they say isn’t biblical?...it’s just their/ our testimony/ opinions/ beliefs.



You can bring examples my friend..that would be interesting, then we can see if everyone agrees with your examples/ each other’s examples......maybe start a thread on examples, ...it would be an interesting study, see where it takes us.

Brother I would love to do a study on examples with you, can I start a thread on examples ?

How would I head the topic if you are in agreement with it?

Maybe you could lead the study?...or at least lead me through the study, I’m only talking for myself not others, then I can question you through our study...anyway I will leave it in God’s hands.

Actually this does sound like a good idea my friend .
Open one up and tag me and others . Let us begin to do all to clear things up . This can easily be done .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen!!

I try to stay open minded Brother, took God a long time to open up this stubborn mind of mine.

Thank you again for your insightful post.

Just always remember if what I say or anyone else says contradicts other scrips
EVEN if we bring a scrip , Then something is off .
And this means we need to examine what we think we have learned .
One quick and easy example would be this .
Say for example the GOD head . Now of course i know that especially
in the earlier days of our walk this is not in any way understood fully .
But here is a bad example , watch this sister .
Say someone shows up and says JESUS is in no way GOD .
They bring a scrip showing us HOW he PRAYED TO GOD and said the FATHER Is greater than I .
Now that one scrip may make thier point seem to be valid .
UNTIL we read OTHER things JESUS said .
Now once we do we see the scrip this other person brought us , was completely misunderstood
to make THEIR POINT valid , when in truth their point is False .
And the other places in scrips can prove their point false .
Does that make sense .