attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[Lizbeth]

No offense here, I was defending the Catholic church/Pope but I'm not Catholic. We ha e peoole on this forum who have a vendetta against the Catholic Church/ Pope and are demonizing them - which is wrong! They are part of the Body of Christ.
Liberalism has entered into the Church, but I have faith God has got it all in check. His children will not be snatched out of His hand, so whoever remains corrupted, falls away and remain lost, are reprobate.

It is interesting you mention trumpets. People in various places on the world have heard a trumpet sound.

Jesus is our Lord and God and so we worship Him. But the rest of the unbelievers are not and they are under Satan's rule. When Jesus returns, He will destroy all of his human enemies and lock up Satan and his demons for 1000 years, THEN He will physically sit in David's throne _ in Jerusalem _ and rule the world of all believers. All will worship Him for 1000 years.
"Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death."
1 Cor. 1:24-26
The GT, the 1000 years reign, then Satan is once again released to do his final deeds and finally is destroyed ...
then the end comes ( including the second resurrection) and at that time, death and Hades ( and every soul in it) has been cast into the Lake of Fire and destroyed. Then He will hand over the kingdom to the Father.

Look around.....can't we see the restrainer is being taken away and the devil being allowed to work havoc as we speak? Jesus has been reigning and defeating enemies for over two thousand years...and His people have been reigning with Him...more than conquerors. These things are by faith not by sight. Death will be finally defeated at His return when He is done using it to defeat other enemies.

1Co 15:23-28

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



The end (of this world) is at the coming of Christ:



Mat 13:39

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:49
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Mat 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


2Pe 3:3

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (the context in this passage is clearly referring to the time leading up to the coming of Christ and judgment, which is this present age of grace…this now is the age of longsuffering in which souls may be saved before judgment at the coming of the Lord.)

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for NEW heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Jesus is reigning NOW from the right hand of the Father (the thousand year time of longsuffering when there are scoffers scoffing at the idea of His returning to judge the world is THIS age), from heavenly Jerusalem, not earthly Jerusalem, through the body of His true church, in process of putting all enemies under His feet. All things HAVE been put under His feet, but we do not yet (necessarily) SEE all things put under Him. The last enemy to be destroyed (death) will be at His coming, when He is done pouring out His wrath, and death and hell finally get cast into the lake of fire. And then He will hand the kingdom back to the Father so that God may be all in all...at His coming at the end of THIS age.

 

[Lizbeth]

The sense of being hidden was in context of prophecy. Futurists cannot see the antichrist that is working in plain sight right under their noses. They still think he's not come yet, and they won't be here anyway, so who cares?
Preterists are even worse. They think he's come and gone. SMH

Brother, what do you think about the principle of "to the Jew first then the Gentile".....not just the gospel but also "tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man who does evil, to the Jew first then the Gentile". This explains why Jesus (being a prophet in Israel) was prophesying of the destruction of Jerusalem at the same time He was prophesying of the end of the world. And the Ecclesiastes principle of there being nothing new under the sun....."what has been will be again". "And doubling unto her double".....two-fold judgment of Mystery Babylon...? Happened once in 70AD but will happen a second time. Remember Jesus cleansing the Father's house (den of thieves) twice with a whip..... once at the start of His ministry and a second time at the end of it...?

 

[amigo de christo]

I think that is a true statement. What's wrong with that?

Let's dissect it.
What are some common truths in all religions?

Love;
Compassion;
Kindness;
Respect;
Forgiveness;
Empathy;
God created everything;
The Golden rule;
Concepts of good and evil,
Belief in freedom of thought and expression;
Don't murder, lie, steal, covet, and honor yout parents.

The differences are that Jesus is a focal point of one religion only. And so we pray and worship to the God of the Bible. But many of God's truths have permeated the world regardless of where it is imbedded.

So, the Pope was merely implying that any of those truths above are equality valuable in all religions. There is only one truth about a specific act/behavior. He is just trying not to step on toes, play it neutral, look for commonality.
Of course if YOU stood among various religious groups in a gathering and spoke, your dialogue would be quite different, lol.
Maybe you should read: "How To Make Friends And Influence People".
There is a gift of evangelism ( Eph. 4:11).
I know I don't have it and I am absolutely sure you don't either. Apparently you think you have a gift of judging the human heart of those you don't even know or met based only on things you read and your misinterpretation of it.







No. Christians will not worship a false God, they won't be deceived. When the time comes, they will say no and persevere to the death if necessary. Many will take the mark of the Beast.

No sir . all that proves is satan can quoate truths and yet twists things to decieve this people
as though these other religoins are of GOD .
they have no truth in them . what these other religoins have are nothing more than
truths that perhaps JESUS said , Like good works and etc , BUT THEY DO NOT WORSHIP GOD OR CHIRST .
ITS ALL man made religion buddy . every other religoin , though it can quoate SOME of HIS teachings
DOES not KNOW HIM . we have nothing in common with darkness .
The devil himself is convincing people that just because all religoins
have a concept that does speak of love god and your nieghbor that it means they must be following GOD .
NO SIR . how often did even the jews quoate the law and yet KNEW NOT GOD .
THESE false religoins are the creations of men , NOT GOD .
but that is how satan has always worked . bring in some truths and use said truths to DECIEVE .
In other words these religions have only have concepts about what JESUS may have said in them .
BUT NOT THE TRUTH at all .
men do this all the time . HOW many times do you hear folks quoating sayings of JESUS and yet
THEY DO NOT FOLLOW HIM or even KNOW HIM . its the same with these false religoins .
Wanna know who first did this .
Satan did . look at the serpent . HE used a truth to decieve eve .
watch closely . HE lied when he said YE shall not die , but gave her a truth when he said YE shall become as gods
to know good and evil , AS GOD HIMSELF later even said , THEY have become as us .....
these religions may have some of HIS teachings , BUT THEY be false . WE have nothing in common with them .
WE have THE TRUTH for we have CHRIST . they have at most a few truths , BUT HAVE NOT THE TRUTH at all .
thus they are but the decieved leading the decieved .
Remember what i said a while back . HOW DO YOU GET all religoins to merge as one .
YOU FIND OUT what they have in common and focus on that . THAT IS HOW THEY DO THIS and you
are falling for it . Get out of it , do not support this pope or this move .

 

[amigo de christo]

Look around.....can't we see the restrainer is being taken away and the devil being allowed to work havoc as we speak? Jesus has been reigning and defeating enemies for over two thousand years...and His people have been reigning with Him...more than conquerors. These things are by faith not by sight. Death will be finally defeated at His return when He is done using it to defeat other enemies.

1Co 15:23-28

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



The end (of this world) is at the coming of Christ:



Mat 13:39

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:49
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Mat 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


2Pe 3:3

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (the context in this passage is clearly referring to the time leading up to the coming of Christ and judgment, which is this present age of grace…this now is the age of longsuffering in which souls may be saved before judgment at the coming of the Lord.)

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for NEW heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Jesus is reigning NOW from the right hand of the Father (the thousand year time of longsuffering when there are scoffers scoffing at the idea of His returning to judge the world is THIS age), from heavenly Jerusalem, not earthly Jerusalem, through the body of His true church, in process of putting all enemies under His feet. All things HAVE been put under His feet, but we do not yet (necessarily) SEE all things put under Him. The last enemy to be destroyed (death) will be at His coming, when He is done pouring out His wrath, and death and hell finally get cast into the lake of fire. And then He will hand the kingdom back to the Father so that God may be all in all...at His coming at the end of THIS age.

There is a love that cometh of GOD and another love that cometh of the world
there too is a peace that cometh of GOD and then a peace that cometh of man .
TOO many are too busy trying to preach the peace of man that reconciles man to man , BUT NOT TO GOD .
That peace ends in destruction . FOR THERE WILL BE NO PEACE unto the wicked .
THE peace that cometh of GOD would have preached the GOSPEL OF CHRIST . because by FAITH IN HIM
we have PEACE WITH GOD . but folks dont seem to grasp this .
I Told us they did this sister . did you see what ronald wrote to me . THEY DID THIS
they try and preach what THE RELIGOINS have in COMMON , in order to get us to focus on THAT
and to believe we serve the same GOD . its all a delusion .

 

[amigo de christo]

The sense of being hidden was in context of prophecy. Futurists cannot see the antichrist that is working in plain sight right under their noses. They still think he's not come yet, and they won't be here anyway, so who cares?
Preterists are even worse. They think he's come and gone. SMH

correct many look for this holly wood style anti christ
now as far as also preterism , Yeah heed no such thing either .
That which is of anti christ , that which is of anti christ , HAS LONG BEEN IN THIS WORLD
and has long been at work . unless folks want to call JOHN a liar .
This IS that which is of anti christ , which ye heard should come into the world , EVEN NOW , EVEN NOW
is it IN the WORLD . its been here and at work through men , through anti christs .
IT has grown massively worse and specially in these last hours . it unleashed a strong delusion
a love cloaked in wool , yet is of the world and not OF GOD , to MERGE this people .
Take a peek at what JESUS told the apostels
there would be many false prophets , many
Take a peek later in revelation at what john saw come out of the mouth of the false prophet , beast , dragon
What did HE say they were , spirits sent to decieve . ITS at work RIGHT NOW .
and its decieving the kings , presidents , a lot of christendom and the false religoins
to merge as one under what it calls love and its calls unity . ITS OF ANTI CHRIST brakelite , NOT OF GOD . its a delusion .

 

[Lizbeth]

There is a love that cometh of GOD and another love that cometh of the world
there too is a peace that cometh of GOD and then a peace that cometh of man .
TOO many are too busy trying to preach the peace of man that reconciles man to man , BUT NOT TO GOD .
That peace ends in destruction . FOR THERE WILL BE NO PEACE unto the wicked .
THE peace that cometh of GOD would have preached the GOSPEL OF CHRIST . because by FAITH IN HIM
we have PEACE WITH GOD . but folks dont seem to grasp this .
I Told us they did this sister . did you see what ronald wrote to me . THEY DID THIS
they try and preach what THE RELIGOINS have in COMMON , in order to get us to focus on THAT
and to believe we serve the same GOD . its all a delusion .

Yes I saw that post.......it all makes me very worried for him.....I answered it the best I could. He seems very Catholic at heart.....a person may come out of Egypt and still not have gotten the Egypt out of them. Or they can fall back.

 

[amigo de christo]

You're looking very superficially at things.....what ELSE do false religions do? Haven't you read that man's righteousness is as filthy rags....and that there is no one good but God....and that there is none righteous, no not one.....? If all these religions are pleasing to the Lord why do they and all of us need a Saviour? The best that man in the flesh can offer to the Lord is strange fire from the point of view of a HOLY God, not the pure and holy fire from heaven. Man has nothing of his own that meets God's holy standard. This is why even righteous Jews obeying the Law still needed to repent and receive the Messiah/Christ. That is the GOSPEL........which doesn't agree with what you and the Pope are saying. The Pope is trying to draw people to his institutional church, not to Christ, with his soft feminized kumbaya message.


Here again, I'm truly worried for you. How many times are we warned in scripture from cover to cover to not be deceived? Even Eve in the Garden got deceived and she was a type/figure for the church which was born out of the last Adam's side. People need to wake up and get their head out of the clouds and receive and learn the word of God.....this is not a drill. The first thing even Jesus warned of when the disciples asked Him about the end, was to "take heed that ye be not deceived".

exactly sister . People are falling for a ruse sister .
they think exactly the way , the way that seems right unto a man but its end be death .
too many are viewing things through a carnal mindset . they see certain truths in other religons
and thus they believe a lie .
Just cause one can lip some things JESUS said , DONT MEAN they know him .
because while all these false religons might have concepts within them that seem as the golden rule
ALL these false religoin DENY HE WHO SPOKE THAT GOLDEN RULE . making them FALSE .
nothing more than mans attempt to save his own self , his own filthy works .
Many can even quoate certain teachings of JESUS within christendom . But just cause a man can lip
some truths , STILL does not mean said man FOLLOWS THE TRUTH . its known as lip only .
The religoins of this world , every one of them cometh of man and of darkness . CEPT the GOD of abraham issac and jacob .
The torah contains THE TRUTH . and yet even many of the jews who claim to hold to torah
DENY the very law they claim , deny the very MOSES they claim to follow .
For they DENY HE whom even the law and prophets did did point too .
PLUS can no man be justified in the sight of GOD by the law . the law was added because of trangressions
UNTIL THE PROMISE CAME . many are going down a real bad road sister .
they wave the flag of a false broad path sin accepting path , of a love and of a peace THAT IS OF THE WORLD , NOT GOD .
The peace of GOD , IS THE GOSPEL OF GOD TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and be reconciled to GOD thus having PEACE WITH GOD . but there peace reconciles only the lost with the lost
to unify as one under what they all believe will usher in world peace , BUT IN TRUTH WILL USHER DOWN
SUDDEN DESTRUCTION from GOD , FOR THEY DENIED THE TRUE PEACE OF GOD . JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes I saw that post.......it all makes me very worried for him.....I answered it the best I could. He seems very Catholic at heart.....a person may come out of Egypt and still not have gotten the Egypt out of them. Or they can fall back.

Sister you made a good point . HE SEEMS catholic . BUT WHY IS THAT .
many seem the same way and yet still sit in protestant churches .
THE Reason so many sound like this catholic doctrine , is because THEIR LEADERS
sold this stuff right to them and convinced them to merge with and judge not .
WHEN WE GET UNequally yoked , what happens , WE FALL .
THIS came right from the catholic church . but they convinced the peoples to have unity witih all
and now as a result they convince them to have unity with even the false religoins .
THAT IS WHAT LEAVEN DOES and that what error does , BEGETS MORE AND MORE ERROR .
there is a good reason why The early church did correct error
there is a good reason why GOD and they said DO NOT BE UNEQUALLY YOKED together with unbelievers .
THERE IS GOOD reason as to why GOD said ALL THINGS HE SAID .
and its high time folks return to that bible and start LEARNING WHAT HE SAID for thesemlves .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes I saw that post.......it all makes me very worried for him.....I answered it the best I could. He seems very Catholic at heart.....a person may come out of Egypt and still not have gotten the Egypt out of them. Or they can fall back.

We see this with calvin and scores of others too . They may have come out of the RCC
but they sure took her with them in their journey .
Sometimes and often you can take the man out of the harlot but you just cant get the harlot out of them .
Now the cry to merge as one has been made
as they cried LET US HEAL THE WOUND . LET US HEAL THE WOUND
i could not help but to think of this passage in scripture , WHOSE DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALED .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Haven't you read that man's righteousness is as filthy rags....and that there is no one good but God....and that there is none righteous

Absolutely, but Jesus has imputed his righteousness into believers. And we have the Holy Spirit who does works of righteousness through us.
But listen, that was a true when Jesus said it, for He had not yet fulfilled His mission and mankind had not been forgiven. After He died and rose again, those who put their faith in Him were not dirty rags anymore. There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ. We were all dirty rags, then Christ cleansed us. Don't you believe that the Father now looks upon us as pure, without sin? This is our spiritual state. The flesh is reckoned dead, though we still sin, while in the flesh, it has already been forgiven.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Sister you made a good point . HE SEEMS catholic . BUT WHY IS THAT .
many seem the same way and yet still sit in protestant churches .
THE Reason so many sound like this catholic doctrine , is because THEIR LEADERS
sold this stuff right to them and convinced them to merge with and judge not .
WHEN WE GET UNequally yoked , what happens , WE FALL .
THIS came right from the catholic church . but they convinced the peoples to have unity witih all
and now as a result they convince them to have unity with even the false religoins .
THAT IS WHAT LEAVEN DOES and that what error does , BEGETS MORE AND MORE ERROR .
there is a good reason why The early church did correct error
there is a good reason why GOD and they said DO NOT BE UNEQUALLY YOKED together with unbelievers .
THERE IS GOOD reason as to why GOD said ALL THINGS HE SAID .
and its high time folks return to that bible and start LEARNING WHAT HE SAID for thesemlves .

Nice, this whole post is filled with false accusations.
I won't even dignify them with a response - we're done.

 

[amigo de christo]

Nice, this whole post is filled with false accusations.
I won't even dignify them with a response - we're done.

number one , i never said you WERE catholic . what i did say was true . many prostestants are now heavily
influenced by catholic doctrine and the agenda .
that is a fact .
And this sister never said you were one either . she said HE seems catholic . what i said is truth my friend .
Its very sad to see this happening within christendom .
I shall pray for you . But you are in danger my friend . And if i didnt care about you and others , i would not bother
trying to warn you all . But out of great love for all peoples , and i desire only good for them
i must and i shall continue to warn against this massive deceptoin which is all over and within even christendom .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Look around.....can't we see the restrainer is being taken away and the devil being allowed to work havoc as we speak?

Do you even know who the Restrainer is?
The Holy Spirit, who lives in us, is the Restrainer. When He is taken out of the way, the Church is raptured at that moment. We're still here, He is with us. You know when this happens, in a twinkling of an eye - then all he'll will break loose.
Anyways, since you are an Amillennialist, there is no need to continue - I don't commune well in your neighborhood.. Adios.

 

[Marvelloustime]

No sir . all that proves is satan can quoate truths and yet twists things to decieve this people
as though these other religoins are of GOD .
they have no truth in them . what these other religoins have are nothing more than
truths that perhaps JESUS said , Like good works and etc , BUT THEY DO NOT WORSHIP GOD OR CHIRST .
ITS ALL man made religion buddy . every other religoin , though it can quoate SOME of HIS teachings
DOES not KNOW HIM . we have nothing in common with darkness .
The devil himself is convincing people that just because all religoins
have a concept that does speak of love god and your nieghbor that it means they must be following GOD .
NO SIR . how often did even the jews quoate the law and yet KNEW NOT GOD .
THESE false religoins are the creations of men , NOT GOD .
but that is how satan has always worked . bring in some truths and use said truths to DECIEVE .
In other words these religions have only have concepts about what JESUS may have said in them .
BUT NOT THE TRUTH at all .
men do this all the time . HOW many times do you hear folks quoating sayings of JESUS and yet
THEY DO NOT FOLLOW HIM or even KNOW HIM . its the same with these false religoins .
Wanna know who first did this .
Satan did . look at the serpent . HE used a truth to decieve eve .
watch closely . HE lied when he said YE shall not die , but gave her a truth when he said YE shall become as gods
to know good and evil , AS GOD HIMSELF later even said , THEY have become as us .....
these religions may have some of HIS teachings , BUT THEY be false . WE have nothing in common with them .
WE have THE TRUTH for we have CHRIST . they have at most a few truths , BUT HAVE NOT THE TRUTH at all .
thus they are but the decieved leading the decieved .
Remember what i said a while back . HOW DO YOU GET all religoins to merge as one .
YOU FIND OUT what they have in common and focus on that . THAT IS HOW THEY DO THIS and you
are falling for it . Get out of it , do not support this pope or this move .

 

[Lizbeth]

Do you even know who the Restrained is?
The Holy Spirit, who lives in us, is the Restrainer. When He is taken out of the way, the Church is raptured at that moment. We're still here, He is with us. You know when this happens, in a twinkling of an eye - then all he'll will break loose.
Anyways, since you are an Amillennialist, there is no need to continue - I don't commune well in your neighborhood.. Adios.

What tripped up the Jews in the first century was that they were looking for a flesh and blood messiah to save them from their earthly enemies and set up the reign of his kingdom from earthly Jerusalem. That was what they believed and it caused them to reject Him because He would not take up that kind of mantle.....Jesus tried to correct their erroneous mindset, by telling them plainly that His kingdom comes not with our careful observation that we should say lo here it is or lo there, but His kingdom is within/among us, as well as that His kingdom is not of this world.

Nothing new under the sun brother. Unbelieving Israel is sadly still looking for an earthly kingdom to be ruled by an earthly messiah. And so are many Christians. Jesus warned us not to be deceived. This is why He said if anyone says to you lo here is Christ , or there He is , that we are not to follow or believe them.....because essentially His coming will not be like that of an earthly king.

 

[amigo de christo]

What tripped up the Jews in the first century was that they were looking for a flesh and blood messiah to save them from their earthly enemies and set up the reign of his kingdom from earthly Jerusalem. That was what they believed and it caused them to reject Him because He would not take up that kind of mantle.....Jesus tried to correct their erroneous mindset, by telling them plainly that His kingdom comes not with our careful observation that we should say lo here it is or lo there, but His kingdom is within/among us, as well as that His kingdom is not of this world.

Nothing new under the sun brother. Unbelieving Israel is sadly still looking for an earthly kingdom to be ruled by an earthly messiah. And so are many Christians. Jesus warned us not to be deceived. This is why He said if anyone says to you lo here is Christ , or there He is , that we are not to follow or believe them.....because essentially His coming will not be like that of an earthly king.

evidently it aint just unbelieving israel who still looking for an earthen kingdom to be ruled .
Look at what Christendom has long done . THEY KINGDOM IS EARTHLY . not above .
Many now have all hope in humanity to save this world
and have no desire for , no desire to come too , No desire to preach , HE WHO DOES save
and can deliver from the VERY WRATH that is soon to come upon this world .
The peace that cometh of man is a snare to the soul of all who sit under and hope and trust in man .
For that kingdom is ruled by darkness and is not above . That peace only does all
to reconcile man to man in hopes of world peace and safety , for power and control
The only peace that comes , COMES OF GOD and that peace cometh BY the preaching of the one true believe ye in JESUS gospel
whereby those who beleive NOW HAVE PEACE with GOD .
The peace that is established by and of man will always come with a lie and a promise .
GO to and behold what they sell to all religoins , AND THE LIE IS CLEARLY SEEN
as the DIRE NEED for said religoins to REPENT and BELIEVE ON CHRIST , is not said
but rather it is implied we all have the truth within us . That anti christ lie that denies the need to repent to beleive on JESUS as the CHRIST , is WHY the SUDDEN destruction of the Wrath of GOD himself and of the LAMB
will soon fall upon those who did this all for what they believed would bring them WORLD peace n safety .

 

[Brakelite]

Brother, what do you think about the principle of "to the Jew first then the Gentile".....not just the gospel but also "tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man who does evil, to the Jew first then the Gentile". This explains why Jesus (being a prophet in Israel) was prophesying of the destruction of Jerusalem at the same time He was prophesying of the end of the world. And the Ecclesiastes principle of there being nothing new under the sun....."what has been will be again". "And doubling unto her double".....two-fold judgment of Mystery Babylon...? Happened once in 70AD but will happen a second time. Remember Jesus cleansing the Father's house (den of thieves) twice with a whip..... once at the start of His ministry and a second time at the end of it...?

“1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. ”
Romans 3:1-2 KJV

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To Israel were given the oracles of God, but spurned their testimony. Who has that privilege today? What are we doing with it?
Judgment begins in the house of God. Are we exempt from judgement simply because we name the name of Jesus?

 

[Ritajanice]

Simply follow Christ . DID HE ever worry about what folks would call him . No . He simply spoke the truth .
LORD , dont you know this saying Offended them . Leave them be , said JESUS , they are blind leaders of the blind .
Every plant that MY FATHER has not planted shall be rooted up .
Worry not about what men shall say , JUST be quick to always correct the error and expose the dangers of any false doctrine .
Marvel not if the world hates you .

Hi Brother, just a question, how do we know that we speak Gods truth?

Let’s face it, so many of us here interpret scripture very differently don’t we?

 

[Brakelite]

Thanks for such a good reply.
Jesus did prophecy re 70AD....
He also seems to mix up teaching on this with the end of the world.
But I can't believe everything happened in 70AD...so no preterism for me.

This makes sense to me....and Israel as the catalyst...sure seems that way.



I agree with this too.
Hope I don't have to choose!


I don't understand the huge significance of the CC.
It's a dying church. It's always trying to figure out how to get the pews filled again, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen.
As to the persecutions of the dark ages being repeated - yes - I'm very worried about this. I now I'm not supposed to be and should only trust in God but the problem is that man is running part of the schedule down here on earth.
I'm attending a Catholic church right now and have been for quite a few years. I just don't see all this wrong stuff that Protestants are always posting...I don't understand the apparent hatred for this church.
I think it's like any other denomination...it gets some things right and some wrong. Isn't this true for any church?
We're just all trying to do our best. I don't see anything dark and scheming within the CC, and I see it from the inside.

Thanks for explaining the 3 types of ways to understand Revelation.
I just never thought it was important to study eschatology...maybe I was wrong?

If you have time, read through this thread...

Thread 'No Denomination named... Evidence Presented... You Decide' No Denomination named... Evidence Presented... You Decide

Naturally, as is common with all threads of this nature, there is disagreement. But read through my posts carefully. Discern how much it fits not only with prophecy, but with logic and reason. God expects us to reason with Him. He does not want us to leave our brains at the door of the church and trust in blind faith and the presumptions and assumptions of others.

 

[Brakelite]

Look around.....can't we see the restrainer is being taken away and the devil being allowed to work havoc as we speak? Jesus has been reigning and defeating enemies for over two thousand years...and His people have been reigning with Him...more than conquerors. These things are by faith not by sight. Death will be finally defeated at His return when He is done using it to defeat other enemies.

1Co 15:23-28

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



The end (of this world) is at the coming of Christ:



Mat 13:39

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:49
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Mat 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


2Pe 3:3

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (the context in this passage is clearly referring to the time leading up to the coming of Christ and judgment, which is this present age of grace…this now is the age of longsuffering in which souls may be saved before judgment at the coming of the Lord.)

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for NEW heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Jesus is reigning NOW from the right hand of the Father (the thousand year time of longsuffering when there are scoffers scoffing at the idea of His returning to judge the world is THIS age), from heavenly Jerusalem, not earthly Jerusalem, through the body of His true church, in process of putting all enemies under His feet. All things HAVE been put under His feet, but we do not yet (necessarily) SEE all things put under Him. The last enemy to be destroyed (death) will be at His coming, when He is done pouring out His wrath, and death and hell finally get cast into the lake of fire. And then He will hand the kingdom back to the Father so that God may be all in all...at His coming at the end of THIS age.

I have a somewhat different view of the restrainer. See what you think...

Thread 'The Restrainer. And the Restrained.' The Restrainer. And the Restrained.