Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[rebuilder 454]

Right, the second coming will be like that. Do not try to take away from the words elsewhere that tell us of being gathered in the air with Him. Not should you dare trying to add to the bible by suggesting that only the return to earth of Jesus exists and that the gathering of the dead and living believers before this does not exist.

WE ALL believe the second coming is the gathering in heaven to the horses that decend in battle AFTER THE GT.
Both sides believe that.

The difference is in trying to change the rapture verses.
That is what you must do.
No way to wiggle out of it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

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“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Yes
Thank you for showing us the second coming can't be the rapture

 

[rebuilder 454]

What does oil represent in the Bible?
Does it ever represent the Holy Spirit.?

Is the white horse coming at the rapture?

Crickets.
.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Your joking right?

Let me ask for clarity: you are saying JESUS has 2 Second Comings which then makes it a Second and a Third Coming?

YES to a 3rd Coming after the pre-trib rapture? or NO?

It was all broken English. And made no sense. I just guessed that he was agreeing with you

 

[David in NJ]

Crickets.
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How did they get in your house?

It was all broken English. And made no sense. I just guessed that he was agreeing with you

OK - i hope so!

 

[David in NJ]

Right, the second coming will be like that. Do not try to take away from the words elsewhere that tell us of being gathered in the air with Him. Not should you dare trying to add to the bible by suggesting that only the return to earth of Jesus exists and that the gathering of the dead and living believers before this does not exist.

i am not understanding where you are leading or expressing here.

Let me ask for clarity: you are saying JESUS has 2 Second Comings which then makes it a Second and a Third Coming?

YES to a 3rd Coming after the pre-trib rapture? or NO?

 

[David in NJ]

Crickets.
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They make good bait for fishing.

 

[David in NJ]

i SEE the Ecumenical police removed a statement of fact from my post.

Dear Moderators, please read Proverbs 30:5-6 and KNOW that pre-trib rapture cannot be found coming out of the Mouth of God.
ie - it does not exist anywhere in Scripture

The phrase 'pre-trib' rapture is calling the LORD a 'fibber'(ok/better) because JESUS says that HE is Coming "Immediately AFTER the Tribulation"
Matthew chapter 24 and JESUS said this as well MORE then once = John 16:33

The Apostles Paul and John said that JESUS Coming is AFTER the Antichrist = 2 Thessalonians and 1 John
James said that the LORD returns AFTER Tribulation and Great Suffering

How many of God's Witnesses must you hear from???

Holy Spirit REVIVAL begins when we submit to God's words and walk in them.

Ecumenicalism is opposing God's words so that we all get along!

This is why the LORD Jesus Christ said this: Revelation 22:18-19

 

[David in NJ]

Right, the second coming will be like that. Do not try to take away from the words elsewhere that tell us of being gathered in the air with Him. Not should you dare trying to add to the bible by suggesting that only the return to earth of Jesus exists and that the gathering of the dead and living believers before this does not exist.

Do not try to take away from the words elsewhere that tell us of being gathered in the air with Him.

i NEVER would and NEVER did

Not should you dare trying to add to the bible by suggesting that only the return to earth of Jesus exists

i NEVER did and NEVER would

and that the gathering of the dead and living believers before this does not exist.

There is not one scripture that states a gathering of "dead and living believers" BEFORE His Coming

If you know of one - Please post that verse(s)

 

[Atarah]

I don't hear many, or anyone, talk about the purpose of the rapture. It we could identify its purpose we might find it easier to identify its timing and those it affects.

 

[David in NJ]

I don't hear many, or anyone, talk about the purpose of the rapture. It we could identify its purpose we might find it easier to identify its timing and those it affects.

Purpose = God's Purpose for His Elect who are alive and remaining at His Coming

Now you can ask = Why is it necessary for the Resurrection followed by the Rapture?

 

[dad]

We can leave it at that.
You have ceased.
Most do.

No we cannot leave it at you saying most believers will not be resurrected. Of course you could provide no bible support.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't hear many, or anyone, talk about the purpose of the rapture. It we could identify its purpose we might find it easier to identify its timing and those it affects.

Good question. In the case of pre-trib, there is no apparent point to it. Especially when it comes to having any reason to meet Jesus in the air. If the pre-trib rapture was true, then why meet Jesus in the air instead of just meeting Him in heaven where pre-trib says we go after meeting Him in the air? It makes no sense.

But, in the case of post-trib, we meet Him in the air because Christ's wrath comes down on the entire earth at that time (Luke 21:33-36, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12) and we are not appointed to His wrath (1 Thess 5:9).

 

[dad]

I don't hear many, or anyone, talk about the purpose of the rapture. It we could identify its purpose we might find it easier to identify its timing and those it affects.

How about to get His people, alive or dead out of here before that time when He wraps things up on earth? How about a rescue? How about a marriage supper?

 

[dad]

Let me ask for clarity: you are saying JESUS has 2 Second Comings which then makes it a Second and a Third Coming?

YES to a 3rd Coming after the pre-trib rapture? or NO?

First the Rapture. Yes. Then the return of Jesus (with us) To earth. I am not sure where you got a third coming?

 

[dad]

WE ALL believe the second coming is the gathering in heaven to the horses that decend in battle AFTER THE GT.
Both sides believe that.

OK

The difference is in trying to change the rapture verses.
That is what you must do.
No way to wiggle out of it.

What rapture verse (or verse you confused with a rapture verse) are you talking about? Your dreams force you to fantasize that other people who are not confused must be 'wiggling' Face it

 

[dad]

i NEVER would and NEVER did

So what are you doing?

i NEVER did and NEVER would


There is not one scripture that states a gathering of "dead and living believers" BEFORE His Coming

If you know of one - Please post that verse(s)

Since we are not here for the wrath of God, and the last years are the wrath of God, that means before.

 

[David in NJ]

First the Rapture. Yes. Then the return of Jesus (with us) To earth. I am not sure where you got a third coming?

Ok @dad , i am a dad also.

How bout we dads submit to the BIG DAD UP ABOVE who said:

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

In these words of the LORD, single out the verse that says "we who are alive and remain shall be caught up"
What verse is it?
a.) verse 16
or
b.) verse 17

 

[David in NJ]

So what are you doing?

Since we are not here for the wrath of God, and the last years are the wrath of God, that means before.

Please review and answer Post 518 and then i will respond, in His Grace, to your question in your Post 517

 

[dad]

Ok @dad , i am a dad also.

How bout we dads submit to the BIG DAD UP ABOVE who said:

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

In these words of the LORD, single out the verse that says "we who are alive and remain shall be caught up"
What verse is it?
a.) verse 16
or
b.) verse 17

The dead in Christ arise first, and then we that are alive. All in a twinkling of an eye

1 Cor 15:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.