IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?

[GodsGrace]

Bible Verses about Rebirth​

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• Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
  2 Corinthians 5:17creationJesus
• Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
  John 3:3kingdomunderstanding
• Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
  1 Peter 1:23Word of God
• For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
  1 John 5:4faithGodovercoming
• Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.
  1 Peter 1:3hoperesurrectioneaster
• Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
  Philippians 1:6Jesussecond coming
• That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
  John 3:6Spirit
• Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
  Titus 3:5salvationHoly Spiritmercy
• Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
  John 3:5kingdombaptismSpirit
• As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby.
  1 Peter 2:2salvationfoodWord of God
• Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
  1 John 4:7loveneighborfriendship

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ The Beginning (Genesis 1:1–2; Hebrews 11:1–3) 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it. The Witness of John 6There came a man who was sent from God. His name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify about the Light, so that through him everyone might believe.8He himself was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. 9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.

The above verses have nothing to do with the reformed faith.
All Christians believe we're joined to God in a spiritual way....
It certainly isn't physical, right?


Please stick to the subject or post your spiritual verses on a different thread.
Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Bruce-Leiter

Hi Bruce,
Let's discuss the gospel and how there is no gospel in the reformed faith.

What does gospel mean?
It means THE GOOD NEWS.

Jesus sent out the Apostles to teach nations everything they learned from Jesus.
Matthew 28:19

What do you suppose the Apostles preached to the nations?
What was the good news that they brought to the world regarding Jesus and His message?
The good news is that we can be with God eternally if we follow His directions on how to become born of His spirit.
They taught persons HOW to be born again...

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


What is the good news in calvinism?

 

[Christian Soldier]

In post no. 1349 of a different thread @Christian Soldier posted the following in reply to a post of mine:

You are entitled to your opinion, just as the rest of the 8 billion people are. Just remember, your opinion is only one, so I can chose to believe yours or any one of the other 8 billion opinions out there.

This is why I chose to believe what God said, so with all due respect to ourself. I must reject your opinion and believe what God said, because you're opinion is in direct opposition to God's Word.

I see you follow the crowd, while turning your back towards God. You have placed your faith in 1500 years Roman Catholicism, while denying Gods Word. My Bible describes a great Harlot who deceives the whole world, you have come under Her strong delusion. So you're willing to trample over the blood of Christ to follow Her.

You have made your position clear and stated that "you don't want to know the truth" so I don't want to waste my time trying to share the truth with someone who hates it so mush that they have slammed the door shut on it. I will pray for you, but that's all I can do, unless God quickens you from the dead and opens your eyes.

This was my post no. 1340 to which Christian Soldier replied above:

Christian Soldier,
your post was right above a reply of mine so I coudn't help seeing it.
I say this because I also hesitate to argue about reformed theology, although, as far as I'm concerned, it would be a very important discussion for the simple reason that reformed theology changes the nature of God....no other denomination does this.

I'm not going to look at your chart because I don't know what arminianism is and don't care to learn.

I would like to say this to you.....
My feeling is that ANY theology that was INVENTED in the near past cannot be a correct theology.
I bring the JWs and the Mormons to mind.

HOW could anything that was not seen for 1,500 years possibly be correct?

Were theologians dumb before this?
And I sure hope you don't bring up Augustine...even the CC has abolished his ideas which were accepted back then for very specific reasons. No other ECF believed in destination or the absence of free will.

Just a thought...

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Christian Soldier:
You've made personal statements and you don't even know me.
So please stick to the topic at hand.

I do NOT post my personal opinion of this forum about the Christian faith.
What I post is what the NT teaches and what every other denomination believes to be true...
except for the reformed.
All denominations teach the gospel of Jesus Christ...the good news.
In reformed theology there is NO good news, except of course for those few lucky ones that God chose,
and for no reason that any of them can determine except that it's God's pleasure.

I don't place my faith in 1,500 years of Roman Catholicism (as you call it).
What I said is this --- I'll repeat:

It's difficult to understand how anyone could follow a teaching that came about 1,500 years after Jesus ascension...
like for instance the JWs or the Mormons.

I went on to say that no one in the early church believed in either predestination or the absence of free will.
I also said that I hoped you wouldn't bring up Augustine....a manachaen that converted to Catholicism after 10 years of being a gnostic.

If you don't care to reply, that's fine with me.
But don't believe that YOU have the truth.

Unless two believe the same exact doctrine, we cannot know what the truth is.
There is one way....to understand the bible as an entire concept and not pick and choose verses that SEEM to agree with
your unbiblical theology.

Perhaps, one day, God will open YOUR eyes and introduce you to a God that cares for His creation,
a God that is loving, merciful, and just.

And get rid of your hatred....
it's rather harmful to your soul and spirit.

Thank you for attempting to justify your Arminian theology, as I stated earlier, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The big problem with your comment, "there is only one way..... to understand the bible as an entire concept", is that it's not true at all. The truth is the Church has found 45,000 different ways to interpret the bible and your way is only one of those.

The Church has disintegrated into 45,000 different Christian denominations, each of these has their own unique interpretation and like you, they all claim to have found the true interpretation, while accusing the rest of holding to false interpretations. Can you see how pathetic this argument of yours is.

There is nothing plain and straight forward in the bible, it's full of symbolic and parabolic language and it seems to be full of contradictions. So it's very difficult to understand, and only those who are ignorant of these issues would say something as silly as "there's one way to understand the bible". If that were true, we would have 45,000 opposing interpretations and denominations.

I can see that you're not a Minister or Pastor or Teacher or Theologian or Bible Scholar, and you're just a garden variety Church goer who has followed your Arminian Minister. So you're not equipped to debate this topic, due to your lack of knowledge. You have already admitted that you don't know what you believe but you're ready to defend it, I find that quite sad. You epitomize the broken state of the Church.

Jesus said, "the world will known you by the love you have for one another". He said that to the Church, so the world should be able to see Christians loving each other, but what we have instead is a deep hatred of different denominations. You might have heard of the bloody war, in which tens of thousands of Christians butchered each other when Martin Luther Protested against your true Church , which ruled for 1500 years.

The Protest is still ongoing and the the Church is bitterly divided to this day and you're not willing to consider the possibility that your denomination could be wrong. Satan loves people who are closed minded, He uses them to destroy the Church and there is no shortage of willing servants.

 

[Johann]

@Bruce-Leiter

Hi Bruce,
Let's discuss the gospel and how there is no gospel in the reformed faith.

What does gospel mean?
It means THE GOOD NEWS.

Jesus sent out the Apostles to teach nations everything they learned from Jesus.
Matthew 28:19

What do you suppose the Apostles preached to the nations?
What was the good news that they brought to the world regarding Jesus and His message?
The good news is that we can be with God eternally if we follow His directions on how to become born of His spirit.
They taught persons HOW to be born again...

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


What is the good news in calvinism?

I thought Calvinists are welcomed on this Forum-but if you want to start a war you stand alone.

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

What a wonderful story.

You both have Jesus in common.
Lovely.

HOW did you come to know Jesus?
HOW did you decide to follow Him?

And if you did NOT decide to follow Him,
HOW do you know you're really saved?

I came to only know Jesus, when I became Born Again by divine revelation, do you know what that means?

I didn’t decide to follow Jesus, he chose me to follow him, if you have been Born Again by the Spirit, then you have no choice but to follow Jesus....do you also understand that a Born Again was chosen by God for his purpose and plan, we Glorify the Father, we don’t glorify ourselves on how we invited God unto our heart, that would be impossible, plus it’s not biblical...only Gods Spirit can bring our spirit from death into spiritual life ...we are spirit children when we become Born Again, we are no longer worldly children, we belong to Jesus, no one that the Father gives to Jesus can ever be taken away from him, why, because we are joined to Jesus in our spirit...if this makes no sense to you then please say....no point in arguing over it, we are at different levels of understanding...

do you understand what it means to be Born Again in your spirit?

How would you know that your spirit is Born Again?

How do I know I am Born Again and saved from eternal damnation, well, only the Holy Spirit can testify that with our spirit, when he births our spirit into his Spirit, it’s a supernatural/ divine act that only God can do...all according to “ His Will”...no one by their own will gets to be Born Again.

No disrespect, your questions don’t make sense above to be honest.

We must be Born Again in our spirit, reading and studying a Bible all day long doesn’t make one’s spirit Born Again, as I’ve already explained many times,..we become Born Again just as the written word explains how we are Born Again...by “ Divine Revelation “...

Tell me also...how would you know that you are Born Again?

 

[Ritajanice]

The above verses have nothing to do with the reformed faith.
All Christians believe we're joined to God in a spiritual way....
It certainly isn't physical, right?

Physical?...have you seen me type that we are joined to God in a physical way?

We are spirit children yes?

How do we know we are spirit children?...

Please stick to the subject or post your spiritual verses on a different thread.
Thanks.

We are Born Again, our spirit is Born Again, by the Living word of God, not by the written word, reading scripture all day long doesn’t birth your spirit into God’s Spirit, although it could happen “ while reading” the Bible, no one knows when God will give birth to our spirit, that is a supernatural/ divine act that only Gods “ Living “ Spirit can do...do you understand that ?

 

[Ritajanice]

You like to carpet bomb.
Conversations don't work that way.

I quote scripture...do you understand the scripture that I post?

Maybe if you communicated with me first, do you understand what I type?...that will certainly help to know that?...wether you understand me or not...I speak in the spirit...do you know what speaking in the spirit means?

Show me ONE VERSE or two where it's stated that you must be born again FIRST and THEN you get faith.

God says we must be Born Again, our spirit must be Born Again....where does your faith come from if not by divine revelation?

God says you must be Born Again to “ see” the Kingdom Of God...do you know what that means?

How can we see the Kingdom?....what does God gift us when our spirit is Born Again?


Do you understand this scripture...?

Heirs with Christ
…15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies withour spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.…

Show me in scripture where you don’t need to be Born Again first?...to “ know” God?....where in us do we know God?

What in us needs to be Born Again, then we know God?...we know 100% that we are His children?

How do you know that you are Gods child 100%?

Read his word ,where he states without his Spirit we are none of his?

Tell me, how can you have faith in God without him birthing your spirit into his?

How did “ you” come to faith?

Faith is a gift from God, Biblical , when we become Born Again by divine revelation we then have the faith to believe in God “ in our spirit “ ..our spirit must be Born Again, ...

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, that’s how our spirit becomes Born Again...by Gods Almighty supernatural power..being Born Again by Gods Spirit is “ mind blowing “...is it not?

Isn’t it mind Blowing to know that you belong to the Spirit Of God?

Your verses on the spirit mean absolutely nothing to this thread.
If you believe Calvinism to be biblical, you're going to have to show how using scripture that means something and just 1 or 2 verses so the other member could reply --- in this case, me.

 

[Ritajanice]

Ephesians 2:8 is an interesting verse....
On the one hand it proves that we have been saved through faith...
so
faith must come before salvation.
And, yes, the reformed just don't see this.

Belief initially comes first, we must initially believe in Jesus, even then God brings us to believe in the Son, ...

Can you please explain what you mean that faith must come before salvation?

What do you mean by salvation and what does saved mean?

You seem to put the cart before the horse, we must be Born Again before our spirit is saved....our spirit is Born Again right?

Just trying to understand you..

But then, they'll use it to show that faith is a gift.
Well, actually faith is a gift....
It's something that God offers to us...the gift of salvation.

This is the point though....
If God makes the OFFER
and we ACCEPT...
then it's a gift.

But if God chooses who will be saved....then faith is not a gift anymore, but something God forces on the person.

Of course salvation is by MEANS OF FAITH....
But some ears do not want to hear....

We are saved through God given faith.....human faith is no faith....faith in the Spirit of God ....one must know the Spirit of God, that can only happen by divine revelation just as his word says.we must be birthed by His Living Spirit....?

Please explain how you know that God is who he says he is?

How can you give God your faith without knowing him in your spirit first?
How does that work?

We must be Born Again then we see the Kingdom Of God, then we have faith,because we know him in our spirit by divine revelation.


How can you have faith in God without him birthing His Spirit into ours?

You can’t possibly know that God truly exists unless our spirit is Born Again....Born Of The Spirit, plus it’s Biblical.

Being Born Again is an experience, it comes by divine “ Living “ revelation, by the Living Spirit Of God...His Witness the Living Holy Spirit....

Where is your faith planted?....who plants the seed?....who brings our spirit supernaturally/ divinely Alive in Christ?

Our spirit must be brought from death to spirit life in Jesus?

Romans 8:2​

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2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Bruce-Leiter

Hi Bruce,
Let's discuss the gospel and how there is no gospel in the reformed faith.

What does gospel mean?
It means THE GOOD NEWS.

You must be Born Again to understand the good news in one’s spirit.

Jesus sent out the Apostles to teach nations everything they learned from Jesus.
Matthew 28:19

What do you suppose the Apostles preached to the nations?
What was the good news that they brought to the world regarding Jesus and His message?
The good news is that we can be with God eternally if we follow His directions on how to become born of His spirit.
They taught persons HOW to be born again...

How to become Born Of God’s Spirit?..follow directions?

The written word describes how we become Born Again...it doesn’t explain how the Spirit gives birth to our spirit.....seriously, no wonder I don’t understand you...there is nowhere in the NT that gives us instructions on how to become Born Of The Spirit...only God can perform that act by divine revelation....

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

We must be Born Again you keep putting the horse before the cart...

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Yes, God brings us to repentance plus he brings us to initially believe in Jesus, then by His will, will give birth to our spirit, if he chooses to do so by divine revelation.

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

He will, but ,we must be Born Again before any of that can happen.

I don’t think you understand the significance and importance of our spirit being Born Again..our spirit is brought from spiritual death into spiritual life by the power of the Living Spirit, that I believe is the part you don’t understand.imo.

What is the good news in calvinism?

You tell us?

 

[Windmill Charge]

other denominations of the Protestant theology have left this unbiblical belief system behind

Strange how often this strawman argument appears.

For someone who claims to have studied theology you cannot see Calvin, Know, Jonathan Edwards, John Brainards deep reliance upon scripture as a foundation to their theological views.

We don't have to like other theological views, but as followers of he who is the ultimate truth we do have to be honest and truthful I our appraisals of views we do not agree with.

 

[GodsGrace]

Thank you for attempting to justify your Arminian theology, as I stated earlier, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I don't know what Arminian theology is CS.
I know what mainline Christianity teaches....that would be every denomination except those that are reformed.
They understand scripture in their very own special way.

The big problem with your comment, "there is only one way..... to understand the bible as an entire concept", is that it's not true at all. The truth is the Church has found 45,000 different ways to interpret the bible and your way is only one of those.

The Church has disintegrated into 45,000 different Christian denominations, each of these has their own unique interpretation and like you, they all claim to have found the true interpretation, while accusing the rest of holding to false interpretations. Can you see how pathetic this argument of yours is.

Here's what's pathetic CS.....
If what you state above is true and we're each allowed to have our own belief system...
it means THERE IS NO TRUTH.

Also, I'll have to say ditto to your last statement.
YOU also hold others to a false interpretation.

There is nothing plain and straight forward in the bible, it's full of symbolic and parabolic language and it seems to be full of contradictions. So it's very difficult to understand, and only those who are ignorant of these issues would say something as silly as "there's one way to understand the bible". If that were true, we would have 45,000 opposing interpretations and denominations.

BINGO!
No truth is possible for Christian Soldier.

I can see that you're not a Minister or Pastor or Teacher or Theologian or Bible Scholar, and you're just a garden variety Church goer who has followed your Arminian Minister. So you're not equipped to debate this topic, due to your lack of knowledge. You have already admitted that you don't know what you believe but you're ready to defend it, I find that quite sad. You epitomize the broken state of the Church.

Never said I was a Minister, Pastor or Theologian or bible scholar.
I also don't have an arminiun minister.
And, excuse me, I'm equipped to discuss this topic far more than it seems that YOU are.

When a person cannot support his beliefs, he will also resort to personal attacks.
Exactly what you are doing now.

Jesus said, "the world will known you by the love you have for one another". He said that to the Church, so the world should be able to see Christians loving each other, but what we have instead is a deep hatred of different denominations. You might have heard of the bloody war, in which tens of thousands of Christians butchered each other when Martin Luther Protested against your true Church , which ruled for 1500 years.

The hate is coming from you my dear man....
not from me.
I've posted specific topics and will use scripture to back it up...
YOU OTOH, are here only to talk, talk that means nothing to this thread.

The Protest is still ongoing and the the Church is bitterly divided to this day and you're not willing to consider the possibility that your denomination could be wrong. Satan loves people who are closed minded, He uses them to destroy the Church and there is no shortage of willing servants.

Are you willing to consider that YOUR denomination could be wrong?
Are YOU willing to consider that it didn't come about for 1,500 years after Christ?
Did you ever wonder why?
You're in the company of the JWs and the Mormons.

If you reply use scripture to make your points...
otherwise don't bother...
You're very insulting and do not even follow your own belief about loving other Christians.

 

[GodsGrace]

I thought Calvinists are welcomed on this Forum-but if you want to start a war you stand alone.

J.

1. It's up the the owner of this site to decide what can be discussed and who is welcomed or not.
It certainly is not up to me.

2. I'm happy to stand for the character of the God of the bible, the creator of the universe,
whose character is defamed by Calvinist teachings.
The reform have made God to be:
Unloving
Unmerciful
Unjust

3. I'm not alone. All other denominations are on "my side"....the side of biblical truth.

4. This is not a war. It's a discussion as to why the Reformed faith is not biblical.
You don't have to be here if you don't want to be here.

 

[GodsGrace]

I came to only know Jesus, when I became Born Again by divine revelation, do you know what that means?

I didn’t decide to follow Jesus, he chose me to follow him,

Could you provide some scripture please that states that God will choose whom He will save?
Thanks.

if you have been Born Again by the Spirit, then you have no choice but to follow Jesus....do you also understand that a Born Again was chosen by God for his purpose and plan, we Glorify the Father, we don’t glorify ourselves on how we invited God unto our heart, that would be impossible, plus it’s not biblical...only Gods Spirit can bring our spirit from death into spiritual life ...we are spirit children when we become Born Again, we are no longer worldly children, we belong to Jesus, no one that the Father gives to Jesus can ever be taken away from him, why, because we are joined to Jesus in our spirit...if this makes no sense to you then please say....no point in arguing over it, we are at different levels of understanding...

do you understand what it means to be Born Again in your spirit?

How would you know that your spirit is Born Again?

How do I know I am Born Again and saved from eternal damnation, well, only the Holy Spirit can testify that with our spirit, when he births our spirit into his Spirit, it’s a supernatural/ divine act that only God can do...all according to “ His Will”...no one by their own will gets to be Born Again.

No disrespect, your questions don’t make sense above to be honest.

We must be Born Again in our spirit, reading and studying a Bible all day long doesn’t make one’s spirit Born Again, as I’ve already explained many times,..we become Born Again just as the written word explains how we are Born Again...by “ Divine Revelation “...

Tell me also...how would you know that you are Born Again?

The above is rambling and does not interest me.

 

[GodsGrace]

Physical?...have you seen me type that we are joined to God in a physical way?

We are spirit children yes?

How do we know we are spirit children?...

We are Born Again, our spirit is Born Again, by the Living word of God, not by the written word, reading scripture all day long doesn’t birth your spirit into God’s Spirit, although it could happen “ while reading” the Bible, no one knows when God will give birth to our spirit, that is a supernatural/ divine act that only Gods “ Living “ Spirit can do...do you understand that ?

Did I say we are joined to God in a physical way?
You should read what members write.

I'm not going to spend the little time I have here to correct what you've misunderstood.

ALL your posts are about how we're spiritually joined to God.
SPIRITUALLY....right.

Do you think you're the only person that knows this?

address the topic or quit.

 

[GodsGrace]

I quote scripture...do you understand the scripture that I post?

Maybe if you communicated with me first, do you understand what I type?...that will certainly help to know that?...wether you understand me or not...I speak in the spirit...do you know what speaking in the spirit means?

God says we must be Born Again, our spirit must be Born Again....where does your faith come from if not by divine revelation?

God says you must be Born Again to “ see” the Kingdom Of God...do you know what that means?

How can we see the Kingdom?....what does God gift us when our spirit is Born Again?


Do you understand this scripture...?

Heirs with Christ
…15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies withour spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.…

What does the above verse have to do with reformed faith??

Show me in scripture where you don’t need to be Born Again first?...to “ know” God?....where in us do we know God?

What in us needs to be Born Again, then we know God?...we know 100% that we are His children?

How do you know that you are Gods child 100%?

Read his word ,where he states without his Spirit we are none of his?

Tell me, how can you have faith in God without him birthing your spirit into his?

How did “ you” come to faith?

Faith is a gift from God, Biblical , when we become Born Again by divine revelation we then have the faith to believe in God “ in our spirit “ ..our spirit must be Born Again, ...

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, that’s how our spirit becomes Born Again...by Gods Almighty supernatural power..being Born Again by Gods Spirit is “ mind blowing “...is it not?

Isn’t it mind Blowing to know that you belong to the Spirit Of God?

No comment.
You're not responding to the topic.

 

[GodsGrace]

You must be Born Again to understand the good news in one’s spirit.

How to become Born Of God’s Spirit?..follow directions?

The written word describes how we become Born Again...it doesn’t explain how the Spirit gives birth to our spirit.....seriously, no wonder I don’t understand you...there is nowhere in the NT that gives us instructions on how to become Born Of The Spirit...only God can perform that act by divine revelation....


We must be Born Again you keep putting the horse before the cart...

Yes, God brings us to repentance plus he brings us to initially believe in Jesus, then by His will, will give birth to our spirit, if he chooses to do so by divine revelation.

He will, but ,we must be Born Again before any of that can happen.

I don’t think you understand the significance and importance of our spirit being Born Again..our spirit is brought from spiritual death into spiritual life by the power of the Living Spirit, that I believe is the part you don’t understand.imo.

You tell us?

I don't see any scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

Strange how often this strawman argument appears.

Why is it a strawman?
It's a fact.
If 98% of persons see blue
and 2% see green

I'd question WHY the other 98% see blue.

For someone who claims to have studied theology you cannot see Calvin, Know, Jonathan Edwards, John Brainards deep reliance upon scripture as a foundation to their theological views.

Correct.
The bible does NOT agree with Calvin, Knox, Edwards, Sproul, MacArthur, John Piper or any other Calvinist preacher or theologian.

This is what we're here to discuss.

For instance, could you post some scripture that supports the idea that man has no free will?

We don't have to like other theological views, but as followers of he who is the ultimate truth we do have to be honest and truthful I our appraisals of views we do not agree with.

No WC.....there can only be ONE TRUTH.

1. Either God would like everyone to be saved
or
God will choose who He wants to save and based on nothing at all.

2. Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient and plentiful enough to save everybody ever born that wants to be saved,
or
He died offering a limited sacrifice only for those that God chose to be saved.

3. Man was born sinful and stained with original sin
or
Man is so totally depraved that he cannot turn to God unless God forces him to with irrisistable grace.

4. Calvinism states that man is UNABLE to seek after God
or
As the bible states time and time again, man is ASKED to seek after God.

5. Man can know HOW to become saved because God desires all men to be saved
or
There is no need for man to know the NT because it is GOD that is going to either choose the person or not choose the person.


There's much more.
So do you notice that the above are not compatible?

A person believes the first or the second statement.

Both statements cannot be correct.

If you think they're both correct then THERE IS NO TRUTH IN THE BIBLE.

 

[Ritajanice]

I don't see any scripture.

Why must our spirit be Born Again by the Spirit Of God?

1 Peter 1

King James Version

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1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Did I say we are joined to God in a physical way?
You should read what members write.

I'm not going to spend the little time I have here to correct what you've misunderstood.

Then what’s the point of the discussion?

According “ to you” I misunderstand, misunderstanding what?

1 Peter 1​

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King James Version​

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1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

ALL your posts are about how we're spiritually joined to God.
SPIRITUALLY....right.

Indeed our spirit must be Born Again by divine revelation....otherwise where does your faith come from?

Do you think you're the only person that knows this?

address the topic or quit.

Address the topic, I am , we must be Born Again in our spirit, before we can believe that God truly exists, then we can walk in faith, because we have been birthed in the Spirit?

 

[GodsGrace]

Why must our spirit be Born Again by the Spirit Of God?

1 Peter 1​

​

King James Version​

​

​

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

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