Is the first resurrection physical or spiritual?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Which proves Amil is false doctrine.

Great response. Just as convincing as the rest of your weak arguments.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Chapter 10 discusses the seventh trumpet, and Chapter 11 discusses the judgment. Your interpretation overlooks a change in subject and ignores much other information.

Please expand on whatever it is you're saying here. You know that Revelation 11:15-18 is about the seventh trumpet, right?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Please expand on whatever it is you're saying here. You know that Revelation 11:15-18 is about the seventh trumpet, right?

Yes, I know that Revelation 11:15-18 describes the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet. What other information do we gather from these verses?

14 The second woe is past; behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,

The second woe is past . . .
Earlier in the book we learn that there will be three woes. As of the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet, Two of the woes are in the past. If the Seventh Trumpet indicates the end of time and the beginning of eternity, there is no room left for the third woe. Therefore, the Seventh Trumpet does not announce the end of time and the beginning of eternity.

The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord . . .
Contrary to the Amil picture of a current realized kingdom, the voices in heaven clearly indicate that the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of our Lord after the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet.

What I meant to say earlier is to highlight the fact that Chapter 11 pictures Israel in the land and worshiping at a temple again, which is what have been saying all along in this thread. The second "woe" is the beast persecution of Israel and the murder of the two witnesses. That hasn't happened yet.

The closer we look, Amillennialism becomes an empty box.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes, I know that Revelation 11:15-18 describes the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet. What other information do we gather from these verses?

14 The second woe is past; behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,

The second woe is past . . .
Earlier in the book we learn that there will be three woes. As of the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet, Two of the woes are in the past. If the Seventh Trumpet indicates the end of time and the beginning of eternity, there is no room left for the third woe. Therefore, the Seventh Trumpet does not announce the end of time and the beginning of eternity.

You know that the seventh trumpet is the third woe, right? At the seventh trumpet, there are things that happen in real time before eternity is ushered in. I believe the seventh trumpet is the same as the last trumpet referenced in 1 Cor 15:51-52. So, the resurrection of the dead and changing of our bodies occurs at that point. And I believe destroying those who are destroy the earth is a reference to Jesus destroying His enemies at that time. Then eternity is ushered in and the judgment of the dead and rewards for believers occurs at that point. There's no indication there of a bunch of things happening for some number of years after the seventh trumpet sounds.

The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord . . .
Contrary to the Amil picture of a current realized kingdom, the voices in heaven clearly indicate that the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of our Lord after the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet.

Amils don't deny that the full manifestation of the kingdom of God is yet to come. But, we also don't deny that we're in it spiritually now as "the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Romans 14:17). You are showing your lack of understanding of Amil yet again.

What I meant to say earlier is to highlight the fact that Chapter 11 pictures Israel in the land and worshiping at a temple again, which is what have been saying all along in this thread. The second "woe" is the beast persecution of Israel and the murder of the two witnesses. That hasn't happened yet.

This shows once again your lack of attention to detail. Do you understand that the second woe is the sixth trumpet? That is described here:

Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. 13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. 17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Revelation 10 and Revelation 11:1-13 are NOT a continuation of the description of the sixth trumpet/second woe. Your lack of recognizing the parallels or recapitulations in the book of Revelation is a major reason why you misinterpret it.

The closer we look, Amillennialism becomes an empty box.

Maybe your false representation of it is, but not in reality.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You know that the seventh trumpet is the third woe, right?

Where does it say that? I haven't found an answer to that question.

Amils don't deny that the full manifestation of the kingdom of God is yet to come. But, we also don't deny that we're in it spiritually now as "the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Romans 14:17). You are showing your lack of understanding of Amil yet again.

I understand that Amils confuse the spiritual kingdom with the physical kingdom. Revelation is not talking about a spiritual kingdom. All we need to do is paraphrase the passage, using the word "spiritual" to discover the problem.

The [spiritual] kingdom of the world has become the [spiritual] kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

Does that make sense to you? Not to me.

Do you remember the temptations of Christ? Satan tempted Jesus with the kingdoms of the world, offering them to him. All Jesus needed to do was bow down to Satan. Instead, Jesus receives the kingdoms of the world at the Seventh Trumpet, which will inaugurate the Millennial kingdom.

This shows once again your lack of attention to detail. Do you understand that the second woe is the sixth trumpet?

Yeah. What about it?

Revelation 10 and Revelation 11:1-13 are NOT a continuation of the description of the sixth trumpet/second woe. Your lack of recognizing the parallels or recapitulations in the book of Revelation is a major reason why you misinterpret it.

Correct me then.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You didn’t reply on Numbers 5, the law of jealousies. It’s key I think. You spoke of types, or shadows? Do you see Christ in Numbers 5?

Yes it is a type/shadow of the jealous Husband, as God is a jealous God. And His wife who is supposed to be faithful. I believe it is connected to the law, because the curse of the law is the oath the children of Israel took to obey all the law as written. If you look at the word oath in the Hebrew it means to bind one’s soul with a curse. Notice what it says…

“Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;”

In the old days when people made an oath they would place their hand under their thigh when making a vow or swearing to an oath. I believe that is why it shows the thigh rotting. I believe the belly swelling from the bitter water is also connected to the adding the dirt (flesh) to the Holy water and in turn making it bitter.

Both Ezekiel and John confessed when they ate the words of God it was sweet in their mouths but bitter in their bellies. I believe this has a connection to the bitter water causing the belly of the woman to swell if she was unfaithful.

I wrote a study about the curse of the law if you want to read it I can post it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where does it say that? I haven't found an answer to that question.

You don't think that the seventh trumpet is the third woe? It doesn't say that explicitly, I suppose, but it's clear that's the case when you see that the 3 woes correspond to the final 3 trumpets.

Revelation 9:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

You can see here that the fourth angel sounds and then it says "Woe, woe, woe" in relation to the final three trumpets. So, the first woe corresponds to the fifth trumpet, second woe to the sixth and third woe to the seventh.

I understand that Amils confuse the spiritual kingdom with the physical kingdom.

Premils barely even acknowledge the existence of the spiritual kingdom, if at all.

Revelation is not talking about a spiritual kingdom.

Sure, it is. Edit: It does in Revelation 20, which is what I thought you were talking about, rather than Revelation 11:15.

All we need to do is paraphrase the passage, using the word "spiritual" to discover the problem.

The [spiritual] kingdom of the world has become the [spiritual] kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

My goodness, are you really this ignorant of what Amils believe? We do not say that is describing the spiritual kingdom we're in now. We believe Jesus will return at the seventh trumpet in the future, so that is describing when the kingdom of God will be fully manifested on the (renewed, new) earth.

Does that make sense to you? Not to me.

Me neither. How in the world could you think that I believe the seventh trumpet already sounded? How can we have a discussion regarding premil vs. amil if you don't have any understanding of amil? That makes it impossible.

Yeah. What about it?

The sixth trumpet/second woe is described in Revelation 9:13-21 and not Revelation 10 and 11.

Correct me then.

Already did. You won't receive correction and you know it, so don't act otherwise.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The closer we look, Amillennialism becomes an empty box.

I picture it more like a broken cistern, or a well without water.

Jeremiah 2:13
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, brokencisterns, that can hold no water.

2 Peter 2:17
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

 

[Davidpt]

Yes, I know that Revelation 11:15-18 describes the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet. What other information do we gather from these verses?

14 The second woe is past; behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,

The second woe is past . . .
Earlier in the book we learn that there will be three woes. As of the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet, Two of the woes are in the past. If the Seventh Trumpet indicates the end of time and the beginning of eternity, there is no room left for the third woe. Therefore, the Seventh Trumpet does not announce the end of time and the beginning of eternity.

The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord . . .
Contrary to the Amil picture of a current realized kingdom, the voices in heaven clearly indicate that the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of our Lord after the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet.

What I meant to say earlier is to highlight the fact that Chapter 11 pictures Israel in the land and worshiping at a temple again, which is what have been saying all along in this thread. The second "woe" is the beast persecution of Israel and the murder of the two witnesses. That hasn't happened yet.

The closer we look, Amillennialism becomes an empty box.

Wouldn't it be something if the events pertaining to the 7th trumpet involve far more than we realize? IOW, the final days of this age, followed by the millennium, followed by satan's little season, followed by the great white throne judgment, are all wrapped up in the days of the 7th trumpet? I'm not saying this is the case. I'm saying it would be something if it is the case.

So I then decided to do some Googling just to see if anyone else has ever thought along these lines before.

I did encounter this link below.

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The seventh trumpet, as the last one (1 Cor. 15:52), comprises both negative and positive things. The negative things are the wrath of God, which consists of the last plagues of the seven bowls (15:1; 16:1-21) as the last woe to the dwellers on the earth (8:13; 9:12; 11:14), and the destruction of the destroyers of the earth, which transpires at the Lord’s coming back to earth (17:14; 18:1-2; 19:19—20:3). The positive things are the eternal kingdom of Christ, which is the kingdom in its manifestation (11:15, 17); the judgment of the dead, which occurs before the resurrection of the saints (v. 18); and the giving of rewards to the prophets and to the saints, which transpires at the judgment seat of Christ (2 Cor. 5:10) after the resurrection and rapture of the saints (1 Cor. 15:23, 52; 1 Thes. 4:16-17), and at the throne of Christ’s glory (Matt. 25:31-34), to those who feared God’s name (14:6-7). Hence, the seventh trumpet comprises all things from the end of the great tribulation to eternity future: the last plagues of the seven bowls (ch. 16); the resurrection and rapture of the saints; the rewarding of the saints; the coming back of Christ to the earth; the destruction of the great Babylon (17:1—19:6); the marriage of the Lamb (19:7-10); the destruction of Antichrist, the false prophet, Satan, and their followers (19:11—20:3); the millennial kingdom (20:4-6); the final judgment upon the earth and Satan (20:7-10); the final judgment of the dead (20:11-15); and the new heaven and new earth with the New Jerusalem for eternity (21:1—22:5).

Life-Study of Revelation

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Keeping in mind here that I'm not basing my thoughts on what this article says. I didn't even know about this article until just recently. IOW, before I even saw this article, it already crossed my mind, what if the the days of the 7th trumpet are involving far more than we realize? Food for thought if nothing else.

 

[Wick Stick]

I keep hearing the Amils say the first resurrection is spiritual, and that Jesus’ resurrection IS the first resurrection.

So here is the question, was Jesus’ resurrection spiritual or physical?

I’m going to let Paul answer this question for you, I will highlight the important parts that will give you the answer.

1 Corinthians 15:12-54​

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King James Version​

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12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.”

So was Jesus physically resurrected, or spiritually resurrected. And is Paul talking about a physical bodily resurrection for those who sleep in Christ, or a spiritual resurrection as Amils propose? You decide. Peace

The first resurrection was the resurrection of the martyrs, and it was physical. That was the whole point - the ones who gave up their physical lives, received a new physical life - fair recompense.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I picture it more like a broken cistern, or a well without water.

Jeremiah 2:13
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, brokencisterns, that can hold no water.

2 Peter 2:17
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

Glad you are having fellowship with the guy who denies the deity of Christ. I hope you are enjoying that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Wouldn't it be something if the events pertaining to the 7th trumpet involve far more than we realize? IOW, the final days of this age, followed by the millennium, followed by satan's little season, followed by the great white throne judgment, are all wrapped up in the days of the 7th trumpet? I'm not saying this is the case. I'm saying it would be something if it is the case.

So I then decided to do some Googling just to see if anyone else has ever thought along these lines before.

I did encounter this link below.

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The seventh trumpet, as the last one (1 Cor. 15:52), comprises both negative and positive things. The negative things are the wrath of God, which consists of the last plagues of the seven bowls (15:1; 16:1-21) as the last woe to the dwellers on the earth (8:13; 9:12; 11:14), and the destruction of the destroyers of the earth, which transpires at the Lord’s coming back to earth (17:14; 18:1-2; 19:19—20:3). The positive things are the eternal kingdom of Christ, which is the kingdom in its manifestation (11:15, 17); the judgment of the dead, which occurs before the resurrection of the saints (v. 18); and the giving of rewards to the prophets and to the saints, which transpires at the judgment seat of Christ (2 Cor. 5:10) after the resurrection and rapture of the saints (1 Cor. 15:23, 52; 1 Thes. 4:16-17), and at the throne of Christ’s glory (Matt. 25:31-34), to those who feared God’s name (14:6-7). Hence, the seventh trumpet comprises all things from the end of the great tribulation to eternity future: the last plagues of the seven bowls (ch. 16); the resurrection and rapture of the saints; the rewarding of the saints; the coming back of Christ to the earth; the destruction of the great Babylon (17:1—19:6); the marriage of the Lamb (19:7-10); the destruction of Antichrist, the false prophet, Satan, and their followers (19:11—20:3); the millennial kingdom (20:4-6); the final judgment upon the earth and Satan (20:7-10); the final judgment of the dead (20:11-15); and the new heaven and new earth with the New Jerusalem for eternity (21:1—22:5).

Life-Study of Revelation

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Keeping in mind here that I'm not basing my thoughts on what this article says. I didn't even know about this article until just recently. IOW, before I even saw this article, it already crossed my mind, what if the the days of the 7th trumpet are involving far more than we realize? Food for thought if nothing else.

A classic case of making scripture say what you want it to say. There is no indication of such in the actual description of the seventh trumpet whatsoever. It says the mystery of God is finished at the seventh trumpet (Rev 10:7). But, nothing is finished at the seventh trumpet according to premil.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes it is a type/shadow of the jealous Husband, as God is a jealous God. And His wife who is supposed to be faithful. I believe it is connected to the law, because the curse of the law is the oath the children of Israel took to obey all the law as written. If you look at the word oath in the Hebrew it means to bind one’s soul with a curse. Notice what it says…

“Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;”

In the old days when people made an oath they would place their hand under their thigh when making a vow or swearing to an oath. I believe that is why it shows the thigh rotting. I believe the belly swelling from the bitter water is also connected to the adding the dirt (flesh) to the Holy water and in turn making it bitter.

Both Ezekiel and John confessed when they ate the words of God it was sweet in their mouths but bitter in their bellies. I believe this has a connection to the bitter water causing the belly of the woman to swell if she was unfaithful.

I wrote a study about the curse of the law if you want to read it I can post it.

Do you see Christ in Numbers 5?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Glad you are having fellowship with the guy who denies the deity of Christ. I hope you are enjoying that.

Well you say the first resurrection is past, and I still talk to you.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Do you see Christ in Numbers 5?

I see it more about the judgement of the wife, like a test to see if she be defiled or not. Notice the man is not tested, it is the wife.

29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;

30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.

31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

 

[jeffweeder]

The closer we look, Amillennialism becomes an empty box.

Stewardofthemystery said:

I picture it more like a broken cistern, or a well without water.

Jeremiah 2:13
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, brokencisterns, that can hold no water.

2 Peter 2:17
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.


You really think we Amills are forsaken to the outer darkness FOREVER?

Amill gets its water (information) from the NT, and they quote the teachings of Jesus, Paul, Peter, John Etc to then make it's argument for the millennium.

Premills gets its info from OT scriptures and their own ideas of what it means.

Fact of the matter is Jesus is the author of Amillennialism, evident by his teaching of the climactic and abrupt nature of his second coming.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I see it more about the judgement of the wife, like a test to see if she be defiled or not. Notice the man is not tested, it is the wife.

29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;

30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.

31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

How can she be clean, free (called no adulterous) and conceive seed? What is the seed?

 

[Douggg]

So was Jesus physically resurrected, or spiritually resurrected. And is Paul talking about a physical bodily resurrection for those who sleep in Christ, or a spiritual resurrection as Amils propose? You decide. Peace

The resurrection of Jesus and the coming resurrection of the rapture/resurrection event will be physical, i.e. the redemption of our bodies to complete our salvation.

Our souls have been spiritually redeemed when we believe upon Jesus, His death, and resurrection as atonement for our sins.

In 1Thessalonains5:9-11 is the rapture/resurrection event. Salvation in verse 9 is referring to completion of our salvation by the physical redemption of our bodies.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
er, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Amill gets its water (information) from the NT,

Last time I checked Rev. 20:4-6 is in the NT.
Amil doctrine reminds me someone who described a place to another, who in turn described a place to another, neither having ever been there themselves, they had only read about it in a book.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

How can she be clean, free (called no adulterous) and conceive seed? What is the seed?

She is clean if she did not commit adultery. I suppose you could say the seed is a type/ shadow of Christ being formed in the wife.