Is the first resurrection physical or spiritual?
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Spiritual Israelite
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The rest of the dead are contrasted with the dead believers who have part in the first resurrection, so they are unbelievers.
Tell me where Paul indicated that any believers will be bodily resurrected at any other time besides at the second coming of Christ. I can't seem to find that here where Paul gives the order of resurrections.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Maybe you think Paul didn't know what he was talking about? And perhaps you don't care about interpreting a verse or passage in such a way that contradicts other scripture? It seems so.
Spiritual Israelite
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How can you know if something you don't understand is false or not? That's ridiculous reasoning. You can't refute what you don't even understand.
You said …
Spiritual Israelite said:
What about anyone who would die during the supposed future thousand years?(end quote)
And I said….
Stewardofthemystery said:
You must have missed this verse….
Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished”
So it goes without saying the rest of the dead refers to those who were not of the first resurrection. Doh!
But if you are con-fused about when the thousand years starts, then of course you will be con-fused about when the 2 separate resurrections occur.
That's not Amil that's Premil! And the book or series they seem most fond of is called "Left Behind"! The doctrine of Amil comes from THE BOOK called the Word of God, the Bible!
Spiritual Israelite
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I know what you said, Straw Man King. You're not even addressing what I said. The rest of the dead do NOT include believers. Hello? They are contrasted with dead believers who have had part in the first resurrection.
Why did Paul not include those who would die during a supposed future thousand years and later be resurrected after that in his order of resurrections in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23?
Yes, John sees alive souls who had been martyred for their faith during this time, symbolized a thousand years. Then he writes of "the rest of the dead", those who also lived and died during this same period of time, symbolized a thousand years. They won't live again until this time symbolized a thousand years is finished.
Next John writes of others who shall be "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with him a thousand years." Notice these faithful saints, like the martyred saints, and the rest of the dead ALL live and reign with Christ during this same period of time symbolized a thousand years.
Finally John writes of what shall come to pass after this time symbolized a thousand years has expired. Satan shall be loosed to go about gathering together Gog (antichrist) & Magog (antichristian party). IOW all who follow after him, those who NEVER live and reign with Christ during this time symbolized a thousand years. As soon as Satan and his minions think to have victory over the saints of Christ who are still alive, fire shall come down from God out of heaven and devour them.
Then all the DEAD, those who throughout this period of time symbolized a thousand years never had part in the first resurrection through Christ, never lived and reigned with Him during their lifetimes, shall be called to stand before the GWTJ to give account according to what is found written in the books and the book of life. Then all of the DEAD shall be cast into the lake of fire, "This is the second death."
Revelation 20:7-15 (KJV) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Well for someone who doesn't care to understand false doctrine, you have a pretty good way of explaining the false doctrine of Premillennialism! You seem not to be able to discern doctrine taken FROM the Word of God, and doctrine forced INTO the Word of God. If you cared about that which is false, it should bother you greatly that Premillennialism forces contradiction and confusion into the Word of God!
Prove from the Word of God that these dead saints arose physically! What makes you believe the holy city they appeared to many in is physical Jerusalem and not the holy city, new Jerusalem located in heaven? They are "the spirits of just men made perfect" before God in heaven. That's why John writes he saw dead saints alive in heaven as living souls.
Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
I think it came from the book of assumptions.
A pride filled heart certainly would ASSUME that which they know next to nothing about!
How many times do you have to be shown that NONE shall be bodily resurrected immortal until this time symbolized a thousand years have finished?
Then why don't you know the truth? It's not because you cannot! It's because you will not believe the TRUTH! Your PRIDE has darkened your ability to see truth. That's why you don't often address the problems repeatedly shown that your doctrine encounters! You would rather think yourself RIGHT, then to embrace TRUTH!
Spiritual Israelite
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Premil comes from the book of fairy tales. It's a fairy tale about a pointless period of time when there is peace on earth for a thousand years only for Satan to ruin it all in short order as if he is all powerful.I think it came from the book of assumptions.
Wick Stick
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Can do. Just read the verse that follows...
Matthew 27:54
Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
As the passage says, the centurion and those with him "saw the earthquake, and those things that were done". IOW the things they witnessed on the very day that Christ was crucified, which caused them great fear saying, "Truly this man was the Son of God." But the verse says "came out of the graves AFTER His resurrection." Christ did not resurrect from the grave until three days later. How could they have witnessed saints physically coming out of the graves after Jesus' resurrection three days later, since according to the text they were "watching Jesus"?
Matthew 27:53-54 (KJV) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Mark 15:39 (KJV) And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Scriptural Context in Matthew 27:50-53
Matthew 27:50-53 (KJV):
“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
This passage explicitly states that “many bodies of the saints which slept arose” after Jesus’ resurrection. The term “bodies” indicates a physical resurrection rather than a mere spiritual experience.
2. Understanding the Term “Bodies”
The Greek word for “bodies” in this context is σῶμα (sōma), which consistently refers to a physical body in the New Testament. For example, it is used in:
1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV): “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” This distinction underscores that the resurrection involves the physical body, supporting the idea that the saints arose in their physical forms.
3. The Nature of Resurrection
John 11:25-26 (KJV):
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
This passage affirms the concept of physical resurrection for those who believe in Christ. It highlights the belief that those who have died will be raised to life.
4. Confirmation of Physical Resurrection in Other Scriptures
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (KJV):
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
This passage supports the idea of a physical resurrection of the dead in Christ, as it speaks of the dead rising first, indicating that they will rise in their physical bodies.
5. Post-Resurrection Appearances
Acts 1:3 (KJV):
“To whom also he showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.”
This confirms that after His resurrection, Jesus appeared physically to many people. The implication is that the saints who arose also had physical forms when they appeared to others in the holy city.
J.
There is no doubt there shall be a physical, bodily resurrection of the dead. Scripture tells us when this resurrection shall be. Christ says all the dead shall be bodily resurrected in the hour that is coming.
John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Paul, speaking of those who are both still alive as well as those who have died in Christ, says they shall be resurrected immortal & incorruptible when the last trump sounds.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
John again says that when there should be time no longer in the days of the voice of the seventh angel.
Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
You've shown a clear understanding of the natural body of mankind using 1Cor 15, but you make no mention of the "spiritual body" that Paul also says, " there is a spiritual body."
The body sown in death is NOT the body that shall be but bare grain, because God gives a body that has pleased Him. And that which is bare grain that shall again become a complete living soul (body + spirit), but not before the last/seventh trumpet sounds the hour that is coming. Bare grain is defined as nude, naked, without covering. As spiritual body we who die in Christ are still living souls but without human form. As we were a natural body of believers before death, so too after death we do not cease being the spiritual body of Christ in heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:37-38 (KJV) And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
Until the change comes that which is a spiritual body will no longer be as the earth, natural body, but shall be a heavenly body that is not flesh and blood (that cannot inherit the Kingdom of God) but as "they that are heavenly". As we first bear the image of the earthy man, after our natural body has breathed its last, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Christ says in Mt. 22:30 ..."but are as the angels of God in heaven."
1 Corinthians 15:46-50 (KJV) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
None who are of the body of Christ shall be made perfect (immortal & incorruptible) until time shall be no longer when the last trumpet sounds the hour that shall come when we shall all (believers) be bodily resurrected (raised if still alive at His coming) in perfection together.
Hebrews 11:39 (KJV) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Hebrews 11:40 (KJV) God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
The fact that Jesus physically showed Himself alive after resurrecting from the grave, was to prove that He had defeated death for any who live and die in Him. No others shall be bodily resurrected immortal before the hour that is coming, when the last trumpet sounds, and time given this earth whereby mankind MUST be saved shall be no longer. That includes those saints in the first century who came out of their graves, without mention of them being resurrected.
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