Biblical Authority

[GodsGrace]

You are sadly mistaken. I have done no different than you or any other person within or without this forum. I have expressed my opinion on the Word of God and His plan of salvation for mankind.

I am not trying to change your mind ... that is the responsiblity of the Holy Spirit. He will provide all the power and wisdom to teach the Word of God and to walk in His ways and obey His commands. He will never fail.

There are some 1.4 BILLION Catholics around the world, and they follow the teachings and the gospel preached by the papacy. And like every individual on the planet, each of us have a choice on who to worship. I choose to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and His Messiah, Jesus. One God, and there is no other.

As I mentioned twice, you are certainly entitled to your own opinion - and each of us will be judged by the same God at the time of the resurrection. Best wishes.

And you think God will judge us by what denomination we belong to?
And you think I'm Catholic because I believe that Matthew 16 is referring to Peter being the stone?
And that I'm wrong in believing Jesus gave Peter keys....when it plainly states that?

And, again, I didn't state AN OPINION,,,I showed you WHY Matthew 16 is referring to Peter.
Because you don't agree with what is plainly stated does not mean it's an OPINION of mine.
I'd say it's the truth.

 

[GodsGrace]

You are sadly mistaken. I have done no different than you or any other person within or without this forum. I have expressed my opinion on the Word of God and His plan of salvation for mankind.

I am not trying to change your mind ... that is the responsiblity of the Holy Spirit. He will provide all the power and wisdom to teach the Word of God and to walk in His ways and obey His commands. He will never fail.

There are some 1.4 BILLION Catholics around the world, and they follow the teachings and the gospel preached by the papacy. And like every individual on the planet, each of us have a choice on who to worship. I choose to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and His Messiah, Jesus. One God, and there is no other.

As I mentioned twice, you are certainly entitled to your own opinion - and each of us will be judged by the same God at the time of the resurrection. Best wishes.

And since you've stated that you're of the reformed faith....
could you please explain WHAT you believe to be God's Plan of Salvation?

Thanks.

 

[CTK]

And since you've stated that you're of the reformed faith....
could you please explain WHAT you believe to be God's Plan of Salvation?

Thanks.

With all due respect, I think this was already attempted and it did not turn out well. I would rather not "do this" with you. Thank you.

 

[GodsGrace]

With all due respect, I think this was already attempted and it did not turn out well. I would rather not "do this" with you. Thank you.

Yes.
Talk is cheap.
You should be ready to back up what you state.
There IS NO PLAN OF SALVATION for the reformed believers.

And the Pope teaches the same gospel every other denomination teaches...except for the reformed...
they have no gospel.

And God will not judge us by the denomination we belong to but by this:
BELIEF IN GOD
OBEDIENCE TO GOD

And because someone exegetes a verse in some way that makes you believe they're Catholic....
does not make them Catholic.

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

See. That was very easy....

Your welcomed.
Learn to love your fellow Christians.
John 13:35
35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Bruce, that's a good question. My question is, if it is erroneously interpreted, is it still God's word? Or do interpretations not matter? Let me give you an example. The Baptists claim that infant Baptism is invalid. The Lutherans claim it is valid. Both groups read the same Bible and claim to be led by the same Holy Spirit in their interpretation of the Bible, but come up with contradictory interpretations. They cannot both be right, can they? The Holy Spirit is not the spirit of confusion or contradicion. So, where does the buck stop? What assurance can be obtained that anyone's interpretation is correct? How can we account for 30 or 40 thousand different-believing denominations? Is getting God's word 100% correct important, or does it not matter? Something to ponder.

There are disputable matters of different interpretations and applications of the Scriptures for which there may be different sets of supporting Bible passages on which Christian need to agree to disagree. I believe that such is the case with infant versus adult baptism. Romans 14 has several principles about dealing with such differences. However, Christians must agree on the basic doctrines such as the Trinity, Jesus' divine and human natures, the significance and historicity of his death and resurrection, and the inspiration of the Bible. Those are clear truths on which we need to agree.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Part 2

Certainly true but God prophesied about that as well. Jesus Himself stated that before He returned to His Father. But God also went into great detail about the coming of the little horn who would sit atop the 4th beast kingdom that would come to be known as the papacy / papal Rome AFTER pagan Rome was slain (7:11).

Well, we can leave out those denominations that call themselves Christians but are clearly not like the Mormons, etc. But more importantly, the RCC is literally the greatest deceiver since the cross! They profess Jesus but do not do what He commanded nor do they obey Him. They worship Him in vain!!!!


They have broken the first 4 of God’s commandments, they have claimed equality with God, they preach a very different gospel. They do not claim that salvation comes only through the faith in Jesus… this list could go on for days YET, you and some 1.4 BILLION people follow this “god on earth.” They have corrupted His Word and His Testimony. This is so far from the teachings of His apostles who were sent out to preach the Good News.

We have the Scriptures that are the inerrant Word of God- both the OT and the NT. Jesus certainly sent His disciples out into the Jews and Gentiles to preach the God News but He did not send them out to build a “church organization,” that would corrupt His Word and Testimony, set up THEIR OWN KINGDOM, murder anyone that did not accept THEIR false teachings, and so on.

If it's been going on a long time it must mean that there is some truth to it.
The CC teaches the same gospel every other denomination teaches...except for the reformed, they truly teach a different gospel.
In fact, in that theology there is NO gospel.
No they don’t. Take a simple test- on one side of the paper place the 10 commandments, then the teachings of Jesus, His thoughts on salvation, traditions and false teachings.
On the other side of the paper, write down their 10 commandments, their teachings on salvation, their rules and practices, their claim of infallibility, that Mary is a co-mediator, she was sinless, she was sent to heaven without dying. Purgatory, indulgences, priests can forgive sin, sacraments, on and on. Then tell me who the little horn of Daniel is. They do not follow in the ways of Jesus, they disobey His commands, but they do mention His name … they do claim He is the Son of God, but they also claim divinity, ability to change God’s laws, idols, etc. They worship Jesus in name only. They demand to be worshipped!





This is a perfect set of verses that speak to the little horn of Daniel (papacy / papal Rome). There afe more than a few Christian denominations the call themselves Christian, that believe in Jesus but they certainly do not follow His Words and His Testimony.

Many might agree that the Mormons, the SDA's, the Jehovah Witnesses, etc., are Christian churchs, yet their beliefs and practices are so not in line with what Jesus has commanded us to do. Well, there is no larger church that has moved even farther away from His teachings and the Words of God that the RCC.

Think about it: If any one of those churches claimed the head of their church was divine, equal to God, could forgive sins, change God's laws and commands, institute a different way of salvation where their treachings and their traditions superceded the Scriptures, created saints to be worshipped and prayed to, salvation only though their church, etc,, would you join that church? Of course you would not and these are only a sample of what they profess and practice against the Word of God....

If someone comes along as says they are the Christ........

The Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses put themselves outside of the Christian faith from their beginnings by rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity; most cults do because of their leaders' authority. The Roman Catholic Church, however, still believes in the Triune God, but I differ sharply with them, since they have established a tradition that is separate from and unsubstantiated by the Bible.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

OK Anthanasius
I'll try again because you seem like a nice guy.

I'm not here to discuss OSAS, which, BTW, is not biblical,

What I asked you is this:
IF we have TWO differing opinions, and I repeat OPINIONS....
HOW can we know which of the two opinions is correct?

We need to examine the Bible passages in context that support both positions and decide which has the stronger support. Then, we need to agree to disagree about these less important issues and concentrate on the basic ones on which we do agree.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Yes.
Talk is cheap.
You should be ready to back up what you state.
There IS NO PLAN OF SALVATION for the reformed believers.

And the Pope teaches the same gospel every other denomination teaches...except for the reformed...
they have no gospel.

And God will not judge us by the denomination we belong to but by this:
BELIEF IN GOD
OBEDIENCE TO GOD

And because someone exegetes a verse in some way that makes you believe they're Catholic....
does not make them Catholic.

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

See. That was very easy....

Your welcomed.
Learn to love your fellow Christians.
John 13:35
35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

With all due respect for your opinions, why do you dismiss the "reformed" believers as having "no gospel"? I'm Reformed and Calvinistic; please explain your claim so that we can discuss it. I'm just curious how you came to that conclusion, which you state so definitely, when I know that it's not true.

 

[Behold]

The Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church,

The "Church" the Lord "founded" is every single member of the "body of Christ".

The "CHURCH", is everyone who has become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".

The "Church" is everyone who has called on the Name of Jesus by Faith, and God has received their faith and "counted it as (Christ's) Righteousness", on their Behalf.

Who is "the Church"?
Its not some "Mary obsessed" group that believes and teaches that Mary is helping Jesus bring souls into Heaven.
Its not some "Mary obsessed".. ."Water baptism obsessed"..."Church Fathers" obsessed group, that doesn't realize that Peter had a wife, and The Pope won't allow this regarding the "Mary Cult's" Priests.

So, who are the "CHURCH"? They are every single born again believer who has become a "new Creation in Christ".

 

[MatthewG]

@Augustin56 I don't desire to entertain any longer. Thank you.

 

[GodsGrace]

We need to examine the Bible passages in context that support both positions and decide which has the stronger support. Then, we need to agree to disagree about these less important issues and concentrate on the basic ones on which we do agree.

Problem is:
We're not supposed to be divided this way...
It's not what Jesus wanted.
I won't post any verses unless you care to discuss.

If it's the Holy Spirit that is guiding....
why don't we all agree?
This is my current problem facing Christianity, as I see it.

 

[GodsGrace]

With all due respect for your opinions, why do you dismiss the "reformed" believers as having "no gospel"? I'm Reformed and Calvinistic; please explain your claim so that we can discuss it. I'm just curious how you came to that conclusion, which you state so definitely, when I know that it's not true.

Oh. I'd be more than happy to reply.

But I'm not sure of how this forum is moderated as to derailments.
I'd like to ask @JohnDB if it's OK to reply to you or if we should move this to a thread I started yesterday
in the theology section titled: Is The Reformed Faith Biblical?

Later...

 

[JohnDB]

Oh. I'd be more than happy to reply.

But I'm not sure of how this forum is moderated as to derailments.
I'd like to ask @JohnDB if it's OK to reply to you or if we should move this to a thread I started yesterday
in the theology section titled: Is The Reformed Faith Biblical?

Later...

That would be better....
This thread is supposed to be centered on who or what has the ultimate authority....the Scriptures or the various Churches.

It's a logical fallacy to "appeal to authority" or to use "no higher authority" when its something outside of scriptures....except when you take scripture out of context to form a meaning unintended. (Which is what exercise you will see occur demonstrated by pro Calvin denominations)

So....where if it was going to stay within the confines of scriptural authority or Church authority....it would be fine. But it never does.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

The "Church" the Lord "founded" is every single member of the "body of Christ".

The "CHURCH", is everyone who has become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".

The "Church" is everyone who has called on the Name of Jesus by Faith, and God has received their faith and "counted it as (Christ's) Righteousness", on their Behalf.

Who is "the Church"?
Its not some "Mary obsessed" group that believes and teaches that Mary is helping Jesus bring souls into Heaven.
Its not some "Mary obsessed".. ."Water baptism obsessed"..."Church Fathers" obsessed group, that doesn't realize that Peter had a wife, and The Pope won't allow this regarding the "Mary Cult's" Priests.

So, who are the "CHURCH"? They are every single born again believer who has become a "new Creation in Christ".

Amen!!

 

[GodsGrace]

With all due respect for your opinions, why do you dismiss the "reformed" believers as having "no gospel"? I'm Reformed and Calvinistic; please explain your claim so that we can discuss it. I'm just curious how you came to that conclusion, which you state so definitely, when I know that it's not true.

Bruce, I'm going to tag you into the Reformed thread I started....
and will reply to you there.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Bruce, I'm going to tag you into the Reformed thread I started....
and will reply to you there.

What "Reformed thread"?? Where is it?

 

[GodsGrace]

What "Reformed thread"?? Where is it?

Bruce, I already tagged you in and you should have received a MENTIONED alert.

However, this is where the thread is.....
If you want to discuss OK, because the people there right now don't even seem to know their own faith (the calvinists, I mean).

GG

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