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Like I said before doctrine come by here a little there a little.

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27c-And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate


In Luke 21:20, Jesus prophesies the impending destruction of Jerusalem, a consequence of His rejection and crucifixion. This event signifies not only physical devastation but also a spiritual estrangement between God and His people. Luke’s portrayal of Jesus as the Son of Man and the destruction of Jerusalem underscores the central theme of Jesus’s identity and mission. Furthermore, Luke’s focus on Jerusalem suggests that the impact of Jesus’s crucifixion extends beyond the physical Temple to encompass the entire city and its inhabitants. While the crucifixion of an ordinary man would not result in spiritual or a physical desolation, the crucifixion of Jesus, who is both fully human and fully divine, carries profound implications. It symbolizes the rejection and betrayal of God's chosen Messiah, leading to a deep rupture in the relationship between God and His people.

In all three Gospels, Jesus clearly identifies His crucifixion as the event representing the "abomination that causes desolation." This consistent message across the Gospels highlights the profound significance of His sacrifice in bringing about spiritual desolation and the subsequent destruction of Jerusalem. By presenting this message from different perspectives, Jesus ensures that His followers understand the deep implications of His crucifixion and its fulfillment of Messianic prophecy.

And perhaps there is another thing to consider. In Matthew and Mark, Jesus mentions the exact same phrase, but not in Luke. This subtle difference might offer additional insight into how each Gospel emphasizes different aspects of Jesus's message and mission. In Matthew and Mark, Jesus will mention the exact same phrase, but not in Luke:

... spoken of by Daniel the prophet,"​

In Matthew and Mark, Jesus refers to the phrase "spoken of by Daniel the prophet." While specific verses might resonate differently in each Gospel, the overarching message remains consistent: Jesus is fulfilling Messianic prophecy as foretold by Daniel. In Matthew's Gospel, Jesus's mention of Daniel likely emphasizes the prophecy of the Messiah as the Prince, aligning with Daniel 9:25c. This highlights Jesus's role as the promised King who belongs in the Temple, bringing salvation and establishing His kingdom. On the other hand, Mark's Gospel may direct attention to Daniel 9:26a, which speaks of the Messiah being "cut off" but not for Himself. This underscores Jesus's sacrificial death as the suffering servant who atones for the sins of humanity. Unlike a king, a servant would not typically be found within the Temple, yet Jesus's presence there as the ultimate sacrifice fulfills His role as the suffering servant. Essentially, God is looking at Jesus as a Prince in the restorative verse of 9:25c, but He sees Him as the Suffering Servant (Lamb of God) who will take away the sin of the world in the destructive verse in 9:26a,

And finally, there is another series of verses found in Matthew 24. There are a series of questions posed to Jesus, and He provides His disciples with some very difficult statements. There is one section of Chapter 24, verses 15 to 22, that, for the most part, are interpreted to be end-time events. Perhaps there is another interpretation where these verses, or part of them, speak to Jesus during His 3.5-year ministry (and therefore, 9:24–27).

15Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand). ….22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

These verses in Matthew Chapter 24 often evoke thoughts of the "great tribulation period." However, there's another interpretation to consider, one that aligns these events with the last week in Daniel’s seventy-weeks-of-years prophecy. Within this context, Jesus, identified as the "abomination that causes desolation," is crucified.

Once again, we might look back to the time when the Jews were in the wilderness. When Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, the millions were wondering how they were going to be fed, how are we going to get enough daily water within this desert. This was an impossible situation. But God would indeed provide Manna from heaven. When the people first saw the Manna on the ground, they wondered in amazement saying to each other, "What is this?", which is exactly what "Manna" means in Hebrew -- "What is it?" They were receiving the food of angels, [Psalm 78:24-25] which sustained them the entire time in the desert. But as time passed...the people got used to this miraculous provision, began to take it for granted, and even be bored with it, and, of course...the wonder of God's supernatural provision evaporated. Israel lost sight of the miracle that God was doing in their lives each and every day.

This scene will be repeated during the ministry of Jesus. Throughout His ministry, Jesus demonstrated divine authority through miraculous deeds and profound teachings. He healed the sick, restored sight to the blind, raised the dead, and performed extraordinary feats that testified to His identity as the promised Messiah. Despite these clear signs, many refused to acknowledge Him as their Savior. Thus, the crucifixion became an essential part of God's plan of salvation. It serves as a decisive moment, prompting individuals to reflect on Jesus's teachings, miracles, and fulfillment of prophecy.

The crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus captivated the world, igniting widespread discussion and debate. Did this man truly rise from the dead? This pivotal event compelled people to reexamine the Scriptures, seeking to understand the fulfillment of numerous messianic prophecies. In doing so, they encountered the profound truth of Jesus's identity and the salvation He offers to all who believe. Rather than completing the entire seven-year period set forth in Daniel’s seventy-weeks-of-years prophecy, the Lord chose to accept His own crucifixion willingly.

This act challenges each person to make a personal decision about their faith. Jesus became the sacrificial Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. The crucifixion marks a crucial moment, demanding that every individual determine if Jesus is their Savior and Lord. He did not come merely as a healer, magician, good man, or prophet; He came to save the world. Without the cross, there is no salvation. Jesus could have continued performing miracles for the full seven year period of the last week of the prophecy, or continued for 40 years; He still would not be accepted as their Messiah.

Jesus willingly became God’s sacrificial Lamb, embracing crucifixion for the sake of humanity. He is the one who shortened the days within the last week of Daniel’s seventy-weeks-of-years prophecy, emphasizing His central role in God's intricate plan of salvation. This narrative isn't focused on end-time events or prophecies, but on Jesus—the central figure who offers redemption to all. God’s plan of salvation is beautifully woven, with every thread in Daniel perfectly connected and sewn together. Even attempts to pull out threads by the little horn cannot destroy the image on this divine tapestry, unless one chooses to see it that way!

Jesus would willingly shorten those days (the last week in Daniel’s seventy-weeks-of-years prophecy); otherwise, no flesh would be saved.

The message within these verses (Matthew 24:15-22) are not end time events or prophecies, rather they speak directly to the times of the Messiah and His crucifixion. He knew “those days would have to be shortened” to fulfill His mission given to Him by His Father.
 
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God sent the armies to destroy Israel so how is that an abomination?
You are correct that God sent the armies.

Sending them was not an abomination.

Rather, they were His abominable pagan servants and agents chosen and sent to accomplish His purposes of judgment and destruction upon apostate Israel.
 

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People do not testify of Christ by chopping their own heads off.
They are beheaded by other people for testifying of Christ.People testify of Christ by spreading the gospel .Teaching of Jesus and his sacrifice .

Jesus never instructs anyone to chop their own heads off.Have you never read the gospel of Jesus Christ where he tells his followers they will be persecuted before he comes?


Mathew 10

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.





These people are not dying from chopping their own head off.
Jesus followers are instructed to preach the gospel right up to the day he comes..And he tells them they will be persecuted and killed for doing so.Jesus does not tell his followers to kill themselves.
Those beheaded have their heads removed after the Second Coming, not prior to the church being removed. This is after the final harvest, and after the 7th Trumpet. This is when Satan is in control, and men are being removed from the Lamb's book of life, and marked by God as past the point of redemption.

Salvation, the point of a "daily sacrifice" has been removed as an option. There is no Salvation by grace through faith. Having one's head removed is the only act of faith in Christ.

Daniel could not write "the free gift of Salvation" was removed. The Cross was still 500 years in the future. The closest thing to Salvation in the OT was the daily sacrifice. The daily sacrifice that Daniel knew about will not be re-instated at the Second Coming, to be removed. The only Atonement that can be stopped is the free gift of Salvation.
 

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If you do not mind, I would like to offer a new interpretation that is placed in my recent commentary on the Book of Daniel and it departs from any of "today's accepted interpretations." However, in a very recent response (page 49) IndianaRob had made such an interpretation!!

1) the "abomination," is none other than the rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah on the cross.
2) the "desolation" is the consequences of their decisions. As a result of their abominable act against their Messiah, He would "make desolate" Him from His people for the next 2000 years - until the "time of the Gentiles" is complete, and then He will return to them and remove their blindness from their eyes just as He did with Paul.

Look forward to all of your comments.....
Pretty sure from Revelation 13 that desolation is God giving over control to Satan, and not man rejecting God. It would be closer to God rejecting mankind.


The only means of Salvation is chopping one's head off.

For 42 months the empire of mystery Babylon will be utter wickedness. I suppose some will think abomination will be "wonderful" in their reprobate state. Not sure all humans will feel that way. Most of humanity will be gone by that time anyway. The earth will be desolate and empty for 3.5 years. God will have removed all grace and mercy. God will not be working at all in earthly affairs for any one's good. It will be all the twisted mind of Satan.
 

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Pretty sure from Revelation 13 that desolation is God giving over control to Satan, and not man rejecting God. It would be closer to God rejecting mankind.
Thanks. I believe that "today's accepted interpretations" are much closer to your thoughts than mine. I believe the AOD takes place at the time if Christ.

From the beginning of the world, God knew that Jesus would go to the cross. And He gave the Israelites the Leviticual Laws that would represent those practices that would be fulfilled by Him. Jesus would be the perfect sacrifice to remove our sins from the world. In Leviticus, the Temple, the lamb, the Sanctuary and the High Priest MUST all be found to be "clean" according to their law. The Passover festival could not take place if anyone of the elements in the ceremony was "found unclean,"

Jesus would take on the sin of the world and thus would be declared "unclean" and an "abomination" according to Levitical law. He was the one who "was standing in the holy place." and He was the one who was "standing where He ought not be found," in the verses of Matthew and Mark. And the second part of this phrase belongs to the Jews - it was their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah that would cause God to turn His back on them for the next 2000 years.... They would become "desolate" to their God.

As a result of their rejection, God would sent His disciples out into the Gentile world to offer them salvation through Jesus. This would become known as the "time of the Gentiles."


The only means of Salvation is chopping one's head off.
Because I have not studied Revelation, I cannot comment on this but from what little I have read, Revelation seems almost all symbolic.

For 42 months the empire of mystery Babylon will be utter wickedness. I suppose some will think abomination will be "wonderful" in their reprobate state. Not sure all humans will feel that way. Most of humanity will be gone by that time anyway. The earth will be desolate and empty for 3.5 years. God will have removed all grace and mercy. God will not be working at all in earthly affairs for any one's good. It will be all the twisted mind of Satan.
Again. I have not studied Revelation but I am aware there a more than one time where the time elements are mentioned of either 42 months or 3.5 years......

I believe one of them represents the 3.5 years when God will remove the blindness from the eyes of His people and they will go out once again into the world to preach the Good News before His return. This is necessary since only the Jews can fulfill or complete the final 4th Great Jubilee cycle. When the Messiah was crucified exactly 3.5 years of the last week of the prophecy, it left the 4th Great Jubilee cycle short by 3.5 years. The Messiah cannot arrive until it is completed by the Jews.
 

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Sigh!!!! Really?! The ONLY "mean" of Salvation in Christ is to have your head off?! Not faith in Jesus Christ and God's Grace?!
Not during the 42 months of mystery Babylon. Why do you think it is the time of the abomination of desolation without it being pure abomination and utter desolation? The daily sacrifices are removed, being symbolic of salvation no longer available. You all seem to white wash and sugarcoat Satan's mystery Babylon as if it was just another run of the mill, human dictatorship. There is no human imagination that can think up what this time will be like. This is not tribulation nor persecution.


In fact the two witnesses will be persecuting those with the mark.

"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth."

"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."
 

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The Messiah cannot arrive until it is completed by the Jews.
Daniel 9 was about God's promises to His people, not what Israel would do for God.

Daniel 9 will not be fulfilled until the Prince to come part finishes the last 3.5 years of the 70 weeks. Jesus is the 70th week.

Jesus did the first half as Messiah and that has been fulfilled. The second half as Prince is the whole point of the last 3.5 years, and includes the confirmation of the Atonement Covenant that Messiah instituted, and the time given over to Satan as the AOD.

The Second Coming will be Jesus as the Lion of Judah and King on a throne: Matthew 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

The Lamb of God, and Messiah were fulfilled by Jesus. The Cross did not cut off the week, nor was God seeking vengeance for what was planned from eternity before creation began. The vengeance was that the Jews declared His blood be on their hands and their children's hands. They insisted that He must die, and the shedding of innocent blood, not that God failed in His plan of redemption.

The Prince part was placed on hold as part of God's plan to bring in the fulness of the Gentiles. Gabriel placed an intended gap, between the Messiah and a return of the Prince. The last 2 millennia was already established in the text of Daniel 9 way before the Messiah was even born. We can only assume time is near the end. Only God knows and controls the time frames.

Those 69 weeks were over decades before Jesus was born. Only two people were even expecting the Messiah. Simeon and Anna, and they had waited decades to see the baby born. It would be another 30 or so years, before Jesus was baptized.

We are not waiting for the Messiah. We should be waiting for the Prince to come, and praying that the AoD is unnecessary. The harvest of lost souls is the only task given by God to the church. The body of Christ is such that each member does what they have been told from God with the ability each one has, and all work differently but together so that the church as a whole gathers a bountiful harvest.
 

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Daniel 9 was about God's promises to His people, not what Israel would do for God.
I agree. It was God's prophecy about the restoration of His people and His city back from Babylon. He revealed the start of the 70 weeks of years period, identified the 3 sections of the prophecy and what would be restored in each and by whom, He revealed the timing of His coming on the first day of the 70th week when He was baptized in the Jordan. And in the two "destructive" verses (26 adn 27), He revealed then revealed the destruction of the Temple / city / Sanctuary by the Romans in 70 AD, His destruction on the cross, and that there would be "desolation" poured out on His people for their rejection of Him.


Daniel 9 will not be fulfilled until the Prince to come part finishes the last 3.5 years of the 70 weeks. Jesus is the 70th week.
The "prince" (small p) represents the prince that will come after the people who will destroy the city in 70 AD. The Romans, under Titus would destroy everything but this "prince" who comes out of pagan Rome is the little horn who will come to full power around 530 AD.
Jesus did the first half as Messiah and that has been fulfilled. The second half as Prince is the whole point of the last 3.5 years, and includes the confirmation of the Atonement Covenant that Messiah instituted, and the time given over to Satan as the AOD.
The final week or the last 7 years of the prophecy was "set aside" by God for the Messiah to come and fuffill HIs mission given to Him by His Father (9:24). Jesus did complete or fufill His mission at the cross. The Jews fulfilled their obligations of restoring the physica elements after returning from Babylon. Jesus fulfilled His God given mission in the time allocated - last week. Consequently, each party fulfilled their respective obligations during the prophecy period of 70 weeks. However, because the Jews rejected their Messiah they were no longer in good standing or in covenant with their God. This meant the 4th and final Great Jubilee cycle which was to end at the end of the prophecy could not end..The counting of it stopped at the cross so it is short by exactly 3.5 years. This is / was not identified in the prophecy but it can not be completed until the Jews are once again back in good standing with their God. And this will only occur when they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior at the end of time.

As far as the confirmation of the Atonement / Sacrifice by Jesus, this too was fulfilled. When Stephan was being stoned, he looked up to see Jesus standing at the right hand of the Father... His sacrifice was indeed accepted and He will now be given dominion over everything.

Satan is not mentioned in Daniel and the only event that he will participate in is his complete destruction by God. There is no 7 year tribulation period where he will arrive... that is a RCC doctrine or interpretation coming out of the Reformation period.


So, the 70 year prophecy was for his people (Danie's) and his city - therefore it was for those Jews returning from Babylon. Those events took place and culminted at the cross. There is nothing remaining to fulfill or complete.

The Second Coming will be Jesus as the Lion of Judah and King on a throne: Matthew 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"
Agreed.
The Lamb of God, and Messiah were fulfilled by Jesus. The Cross did not cut off the week, nor was God seeking vengeance for what was planned from eternity before creation began. The vengeance was that the Jews declared His blood be on their hands and their children's hands. They insisted that He must die, and the shedding of innocent blood, not that God failed in His plan of redemption.

Well, I agree with you partly. Jesus did fulfill His 6 elements in 9:24. The cross did not cut off the week, it was the Messih who was "cut off" in the middle of the week." God was not seeking vengence but they were punished for rejecting Him. But of course, this was within His plan of salvation all along.
The Prince part was placed on hold as part of God's plan to bring in the fulness of the Gentiles.
This "prince" is the coming of the little horn (papacy) who would appropriate His church after the fall of pagan Rome. He would rule over His church and continue until he is destroyed without human hands at the time of the end.

Gabriel placed an intended gap, between the Messiah and a return of the Prince. The last 2 millennia was already established in the text of Daniel 9 way before the Messiah was even born. We can only assume time is near the end. Only God knows and controls the time frames.
There is absolutely nothing in Daniel that hints of a "gap theory." As mentioned, everything the Jews and the Messiah were entirely fulfilled before the end of the prophecy. As a result of the cross, a series of important events would obviously take place. His church would be started and spread throughout the world. It would eventually become the accepted religion of the pagan Roman Empire approximately 50 years after Constantine. Then pagan Rome would be slain and its body destroyed (7:11), and by the end of 530 AD, the little horn would rise to the top of the 4th beast kingdom. - this is the "prince of the people who is to come."

Those 69 weeks were over decades before Jesus was born. Only two people were even expecting the Messiah. Simeon and Anna, and they had waited decades to see the baby born. It would be another 30 or so years, before Jesus was baptized.
Jesus arrived at the Jordan to be baptized by John and was also anointed by His Father exactly on the 1st day of the 70 the week of the prohecy. He would begin His ministry and it would end exactly 3.5 years later on the cross. The Jews were awaiting thier Messiah but they were waiting for a KIng not a suffering servant. They did not recognize Him.

We are not waiting for the Messiah. We should be waiting for the Prince to come, and praying that the AoD is unnecessary. The harvest of lost souls is the only task given by God to the church. The body of Christ is such that each member does what they have been told from God with the ability each one has, and all work differently but together so that the church as a whole gathers a bountiful harvest.
There will certainly be a harvest of His people at the time of the end. This will happen when God deems the "times of the Gentiles" is over and He removes the blindness from the eyes of His people. They will recognize the "One they have pierced," and in sackcloth and ashes, they will preach the Good News to the world just as Paul had done after His Damascus experience. This will bring to an end the 4th and final Great Jubilee cycle and the return of the Messiah.
 

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Jesus would take on the sin of the world and thus would be declared "unclean" and an "abomination" according to Levitical law. He was the one who "was standing in the holy place." and He was the one who was "standing where He ought not be found," in the verses of Matthew and Mark. And the second part of this phrase belongs to the Jews - it was their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah that would cause God to turn His back on them for the next 2000 years.... They would become "desolate" to their God.
Jesus was crucified not on the holy place of the temple mount. But Golgotha. Mark 15:22. John 19:17-20. Golgotha was close to the city walls of Jerusalem, but outside of the city walls.

The abomination of desolation of Daniel 12:11-12 is time of the end. Daniel 12:9.
 

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Jesus was crucified not on the holy place of the temple mount. But Golgotha. Mark 15:22. John 19:17-20. Golgotha was close to the city walls of Jerusalem, but outside of the city walls.

The abomination of desolation of Daniel 12:11-12 is time of the end. Daniel 12:9.
I know He was but He was our Passover Lamb and would take on the sin of the world and would be considered “unclean” and “ abomination” in Levitical law.


Just because it says”end times” does not necessarily mean “true end times.”
Just like “tree” does not mean a literal tree all the time. If you unpack 1290 and 1335 they refer to His first coming and His second coming.
 

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Those beheaded have their heads removed after the Second Coming, not prior to the church being removed. This is after the final harvest, and after the 7th Trumpet. This is when Satan is in control, and men are being removed from the Lamb's book of life, and marked by God as past the point of redemption.

Salvation, the point of a "daily sacrifice" has been removed as an option. There is no Salvation by grace through faith. Having one's head removed is the only act of faith in Christ.

Daniel could not write "the free gift of Salvation" was removed. The Cross was still 500 years in the future. The closest thing to Salvation in the OT was the daily sacrifice. The daily sacrifice that Daniel knew about will not be re-instated at the Second Coming, to be removed. The only Atonement that can be stopped is the free gift of Salvation.
You don't really read the gospel about the time of the end ,do you.
Jesus spoke often about his followers being persecuted and killed at the time of the end.

Jesus doesn't tell his followers to chop their own heads off.He tells them they will be killed for testifying of himself which is why the saints in revelation are killed.


This is what Jesus said will take place before his second coming.

"till the Son of man be come."

Mathew 10
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.




These people who die before Jesus second coming are not cutting their own heads off.Theybare testifying of Christ. They are preaching the gospel as Jesus instructed them.They are delivered up to be killed by their own family members because they testify of Christ.If you don't believe these passages in Mathew 10,then I can provide more about these saints in other parts of the gospel.



Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.




You need to spend a bit more time reading the gospel if you want to learn what Jesus wants his followers to do and why they are killed.Jesus didn't cut off his own head and neither does anyone who follows him.
 
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Just because it says”end times” does not necessarily mean “true end times.”
Just like “tree” does not mean a literal tree all the time. If you unpack 1290 and 1335 they refer to His first coming and His second coming.
"time" is not used in a metaphorically way that "tree" can sometimes be, such as - family tree.

All of Daniel 12 is time of the end, the latter days. The person speaking in Daniel 12 is not Daniel, but a angel that came to visit Daniel in Daniel 10. And in Daniel 10:14, that angel said...

14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Then, in Daniel 11, the angel begins to tell Daniel about forthcoming kings and events. It is not until Daniel 11:35 that the time of reference turns to the time of the end.

Daniel 11:36 picks up about a king in the time of the end. The time of end subject matter continues through the remainder of Daniel 11 and into Daniel 12. Which all of Daniel 12 is all time of the end.

The abomination of desolation, and the time frames associated with it of 1290 days and 1335 days are all time of the end, the latter days.
 

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"time" is not used in a metaphorically way that "tree" can sometimes be, such as - family tree.

All of Daniel 12 is time of the end, the latter days. The person speaking in Daniel 12 is not Daniel, but a angel that came to visit Daniel in Daniel 10. And in Daniel 10:14, that angel said...

14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Then, in Daniel 11, the angel begins to tell Daniel about forthcoming kings and events. It is not until Daniel 11:35 that the time of reference turns to the time of the end.

Daniel 11:36 picks up about a king in the time of the end. The time of end subject matter continues through the remainder of Daniel 11 and into Daniel 12. Which all of Daniel 12 is all time of the end.

The abomination of desolation, and the time frames associated with it of 1290 days and 1335 days are all time of the end, the latter days.
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This "prince" is the coming of the little horn (papacy) who would appropriate His church after the fall of pagan Rome. He would rule over His church and continue until he is destroyed without human hands at the time of the end.
No, the only person mentioned in Daniel 9 was Jesus. Jesus is the Prince to come, small "p" or not.

Daniel 9:27 is the week of days of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet.

To confirm a Covenant is not creating one. It is making it strong at a time when it seems the weakest. That is time is during the days of the 7th Trumpet. At that point billions on earth have already been tossed alive into the LOF. The many are those still left on earth who may have a chance at redemption. They are still in the Lamb's book of life, that is why the Atonement Covenant is strengthened at that point. Unfortunately one will have to chop their head off as their testimony of faith.

Salvation is taken away as symbolized by the words "daily sacrifice". Satan will have full authority, and Jesus and the 144k retreat to heavenly Mount Zion, to return 42 months later on white horses at Armageddon.

Daniel 9:27 is not about Jesus as Messiah in the first century, but as Prince at the Second Coming. The Prince to come is the Second Coming. His people the Jews destroyed their own city. The Romans just removed the walls and were disgusted at the inside after months of civil infighting within the walls, while the Romans were camped outside. They had turned into cannibals eating their own dead. There was nothing left to salvage.
 

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You don't really read the gospel about the time of the end ,do you.
Jesus spoke often about his followers being persecuted and killed at the time of the end.

Jesus doesn't tell his followers to chop their own heads off.He tells them they will be killed for testifying of himself which is why the saints in revelation are killed.


This is what Jesus said will take place before his second coming.

"till the Son of man be come."

Mathew 10
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.




These people who die before Jesus second coming are not cutting their own heads off.Theybare testifying of Christ. They are preaching the gospel as Jesus instructed them.They are delivered up to be killed by their own family members because they testify of Christ.If you don't believe these passages in Mathew 10,then I can provide more about these saints in other parts of the gospel.



Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.




You need to spend a bit more time reading the gospel if you want to learn what Jesus wants his followers to do and why they are killed.Jesus didn't cut off his own head and neither does anyone who follows him.
Those verses concern the church prior to the Second Coming.

The beheaded are after the Second Coming, not the church prior to the Second Coming.


You need to establish when the Second Coming happens. Why do you have the church on the earth after the Second Coming?

The Second Coming is not the end. Jesus and the angels are on the earth before the end. The Second Coming already happened prior to any ending you address. The church is not on the earth all the way to any end.