The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

[WPM]

There it is folks.
He is unable to challenge me.
He is forced to go against the bible.
Keep making a fool of yourself.

You cannot address one single question because it exposes the nonsensical selective hyper-literal nature of your approach to parables and visions. To address these questions would expose your theology.

 

[WPM]

Maybe you like reframing the Bible since you demonstrate that regularly.
You can not honestly debate me

The Bible uses a 50% dynamic Bible. Once in mat 24, once in mat 25.
You, and your colleagues, are so busy perverting that , you miss what is said by me and the bible.

The Bible talks about 99 sheep and 1 that went astray? Does that mean only one percent of believers go astray? This is how nonsensical your reason this. It is ridiculous. You simply do not get it. All the time: none of you can answer this elementary question:

Show us any Scripture that teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by a tribulation period of any length, followed by a third coming of the Lord?

 

[rebuilder 454]

You cannot address one single question because it exposes the nonsensical selective hyper-literal nature of your approach to parables and visions. To address these questions would expose your theology.

With all that depth in your brilliant and thoughtful posts, I am almost compelled to jettison my bible.

Ever actually lay down the animosity and actually debate someone?

...will await your little troll reply with zero substance

 

[rebuilder 454]

I am going to start a opposite thread where you guys actually need to support your doctrine.

Yes, yes we all see you bring bizarre baloney to the table everytime Jesus checkmates your deal.
Yes ,we all see that.

 

[WPM]

You got a comprehension problem.
I am demonstrating that since "FEW" enter the kingdom, any of you that can read, should understand that the ones taken/ left can not possibly be half the earth's population.
Your ridiculous doctrine can not process such a BASIC FACT.
FACT, Jesus framed his coming with a half gathered group TWICE.( once in mat 24 , then in the SAME BREATH , I'm mat 25.
Please continue to challenge Jesus's words.
Go ahead show us how Jesus is mistaken.
Your deal is so false

...as you are demonstrating to all.

Pssssst...that means the half taken , are taken fron A SUB-GROUP.
Psssssst....that means that half left behind CANNOT POSSIBLY BE HALF OF EARTH'S POPULATION.

Amazing how your doctrine stumbles of a no-brainer.

You are all over the place and your responses. There is no consistency with your arguments. You change from one post to another as the holes in your argument are exposed.

Jesus is simply contrasting two different types of attitude and two different types of outcome relating to two different types of people that He encounters when He comes. There is no reason to read anything more into this parable. It is the same with the reference to one taken and one left. This is not suggest that 50% of believers make it and 50% do not. No. These are biblical generalities.

 

[WPM]

I am going to start a opposite thread where you guys actually need to support your doctrine.

Yes, yes we all see you bring bizarre baloney to the table everytime Jesus checkmates your deal.
Yes ,we all see that.

LOL. How about reading the Op? How about addressing the Op? You have avoided that for long enough. It proves Posttrib Amil. What are you scared of?

 

[WPM]

With all that depth in your brilliant and thoughtful posts, I am almost compelled to jettison my bible.

Ever actually lay down the animosity and actually debate someone?

...will await your little troll reply with zero substance

Yes, if it is a Scoffield Bible.

 

[WPM]

You got a comprehension problem.
I am demonstrating that since "FEW" enter the kingdom, any of you that can read, should understand that the ones taken/ left can not possibly be half the earth's population.
Your ridiculous doctrine can not process such a BASIC FACT.
FACT, Jesus framed his coming with a half gathered group TWICE.( once in mat 24 , then in the SAME BREATH , I'm mat 25.
Please continue to challenge Jesus's words.
Go ahead show us how Jesus is mistaken.
Your deal is so false

...as you are demonstrating to all.

Pssssst...that means the half taken , are taken fron A SUB-GROUP.
Psssssst....that means that half left behind CANNOT POSSIBLY BE HALF OF EARTH'S POPULATION.

Amazing how your doctrine stumbles of a no-brainer.
...more like a fall off of a heretical teter- toter

How are these 10 believers? Who told you that? Believers are prepared. They persevere to the end. They possess eternal life and shall never perish. This is what Pretrib produces! This is simply an earthly story to represent deep spiritual truth. It is talking about the two types of person that will be here when Jesus comes. There is absolutely nothing to do with a 50/50 breakdown when He appears. You're missing the whole import of the parable.

The parable of the 10 virgins has nothing to do with 50% being saved and 50% not within the Church. It has nothing to do with 50% or professors being genuine and 50% not. It has equally nothing to do with the percentage of society that will know Christ when He comes. This is a symbolic representation. This is not saying 50% of churchgoers, religious people, or humans are believers and 50% are unbelievers. That would be ridiculous and unscriptural.

The solemn side of this parable is the awful plight of the five foolish virgins who had no oil in their lamps. Like the wicked that were left in Noah’s day, the religious will cry when it is too late: “Lord, Lord, open to us.” The only problem is it is too late. The solemn cry will come from the Master, “Verily I say unto you, I know you not” (vv 11-12). This is exactly what Jesus says to the wicked at the final judgment. He isn't saying: ‘welcome to a 7 year tribulation period’ or ‘welcome to the Premil millennium for another chance’. Sadly, they are damned and doomed for all eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. In Pretrib theology it does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. It gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming. It is nothing to do with percentages. Many parables are like that. It is to do with believers and unbelievers. It is describing those that are ready and those that are not. The enlightened will get the thrust. Whether theologians want to apply this to the visible church or to all mankind makes little difference. That is not worth fighting over. It is the overall trust that Christ is pressing up - be prepared.

Obviously, those left behind are unbelievers! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out-and-out heathens, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.

 

[rebuilder 454]

How are these 10 believers? Who told you that? Believers are prepared. They persevere to the end. They possess eternal life and shall never perish. This is what Pretrib produces! This is simply an earthly story to represent deep spiritual truth. It is talking about the two types of person that will be here when Jesus comes. There is absolutely nothing to do with a 50/50 breakdown when He appears. You're missing the whole import of the parable.

The parable of the 10 virgins has nothing to do with 50% being saved and 50% not within the Church. It has nothing to do with 50% or professors being genuine and 50% not. It has equally nothing to do with the percentage of society that will know Christ when He comes. This is a symbolic representation. This is not saying 50% of churchgoers, religious people, or humans are believers and 50% are unbelievers. That would be ridiculous and unscriptural.

The solemn side of this parable is the awful plight of the five foolish virgins who had no oil in their lamps. Like the wicked that were left in Noah’s day, the religious will cry when it is too late: “Lord, Lord, open to us.” The only problem is it is too late. The solemn cry will come from the Master, “Verily I say unto you, I know you not” (vv 11-12). This is exactly what Jesus says to the wicked at the final judgment. He isn't saying: ‘welcome to a 7 year tribulation period’ or ‘welcome to the Premil millennium for another chance’. Sadly, they are damned and doomed for all eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. In Pretrib theology it does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. It gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming. It is nothing to do with percentages. Many parables are like that. It is to do with believers and unbelievers. It is describing those that are ready and those that are not. The enlightened will get the thrust. Whether theologians want to apply this to the visible church or to all mankind makes little difference. That is not worth fighting over. It is the overall trust that Christ is pressing up - be prepared.

Obviously, those left behind are unbelievers! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out-and-out heathens, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.

Paul classified believer as carnal and spiritual.
Jesus classified believers as hot and lukewarm.
Paul said in 1 cor there are those at the bema seat that have works of wood,hay and stubble.
Paul said they are saved as through fire. They are saved but their works are burned up.
You claim none of that is true.

The Bible proves you are way off again
The bible describes all 10 virgins as being pure, undefiled, with the Holy Spirit, and having light.
In your mind and doctrine, you NEED that to be reframed and perverted to fit your deal.

....and I proved believers are CLASSIFIED in that exact category as carnal vs spiritual.
The 5 foolish were in fact carnal
Hands down disproves your entire basis and twisting of the parable.
Actually you change the components shamelessly

 

[WPM]

Paul classified believer as carnal and spiritual.
Jesus classified believers as hot and lukewarm.
Paul said in 1 cor there are those at the bema seat that have works of wood,hay and stubble.
Paul said they are saved as through fire. They are saved but their works are burned up.
You claim none of that is true.

The Bible proves you are way off again
The bible describes all 10 virgins as being pure, undefiled, with the Holy Spirit, and having light.
In your mind and doctrine, you NEED that to be reframed and perverted to fit your deal.

....and I proved believers are CLASSIFIED in that exact category as carnal vs spiritual.
The 5 foolish were in fact carnal
Hands down disproves your entire basis and twisting of the parable.
Actually you change the components shamelessly

Congratulations on once again avoiding every single point that I made. That is what you do. That is what you have to do. All you can do is keep repeating what you've been taught. Sad!

 

[rebuilder 454]

You are all over the place and your responses. There is no consistency with your arguments. You change from one post to another as the holes in your argument are exposed.

Jesus is simply contrasting two different types of attitude and two different types of outcome relating to two different types of people that He encounters when He comes. There is no reason to read anything more into this parable. It is the same with the reference to one taken and one left. This is not suggest that 50% of believers make it and 50% do not. No. These are biblical generalities.

Then jettison "worthy vs unworthy" from the Bible.
In heaven, some will receive crowns.
Some will not.
You have no concept of worthy ones vs unworthy ones.
To you, all is the same.
Maybe you can change that somehow, as that is THE BASIS Jesus is using.

That us the difference between you and me.
I am able to ,and regularly pray, what Jesus told me to pray.
Jesus said in my Bible( probably not in yours,) to pray to be counted Worthy to escape the things about to come upon the Earth ,and stand before the son of man. That's what Jesus told me to pray (that I would be counted Worthy).
That is because the Unworthy ones do not go in the rapture.
The Rapture is for the bride, not for carnal ,weak, faithless Christians, that are not waiting for Jesus, but waiting for something else.
So why would any post-tribulation rapture adherent pray any of that, that Jesus said to pray?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Congratulations on once again avoiding every single point that I made. That is what you do. That is what you have to do. All you can do is keep repeating what you've been taught. Sad!

I just showed you what you are unlearned about.
That carnal believers are still believers.
3 SEPARATE PLACES IN THE BIBLE!!!!

DIRECTLY REFUTING YOUR IGNORANCE THAT ALL BELIEVERS ARE PREPARED.
I JUST SHOT DOWN YOUR FOLLY AND YOU ARE OBLIVIOUS.

YOUR IGNORANT RESPONSE IS "you avoided every point I made"
No...you got owned and exposed that you do not have any idea what you are talking about.
You do not at all know your Bible ,and get owned by those that do.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Congratulations on once again avoiding every single point that I made. That is what you do. That is what you have to do. All you can do is keep repeating what you've been taught. Sad!

You should get your buddies to hit the like button to group all of you into such ignorance.
You get owned regularly, and they belly up to that slop with you, not even realizing I owned you and embarrassed you.
The lot of you are just plain ignorant of the bible.

Solution = check out what you are proclaiming.
You don't, and get owned every time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Maybe you like reframing the Bible since you demonstrate that regularly.
You can not honestly debate me

LOL. You can't be serious. You don't even know how to debate. You make all kinds of claims, but don't exegete any scripture. You do nothing to explain what you're saying. You are in completely over your head here. Your arguments couldn't be weaker if you tried. No one takes you seriously here with your endless babbling.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Congratulations on once again avoiding every single point that I made. That is what you do. That is what you have to do. All you can do is keep repeating what you've been taught. Sad!

It's all he ever does. His arguments are completely incoherent and he is completely incapable of addressing any of our points. I can't take him seriously at all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You should get your buddies to hit the like button to group all of you into such ignorance.
You get owned regularly, and they belly up to that slop with you, not even realizing I owned you and embarrassed you.
The lot of you are just plain ignorant of the bible.

Solution = check out what you are proclaiming.
You don't, and get owned every time.

Can you tell me why you are so delusional? Your arguments are completely incoherent and are the weakest arguments I've ever seen on any topic in my life. And you think you owned him? LOL. You're not living in reality. You are in completely over your head here. You are in way over your depth. You have no debate skills whatsoever. Please get out of your dream world and join reality so you can realize that you need to stop making a fool of yourself.

 

[WPM]

You should get your buddies to hit the like button to group all of you into such ignorance.
You get owned regularly, and they belly up to that slop with you, not even realizing I owned you and embarrassed you.
The lot of you are just plain ignorant of the bible.

Solution = check out what you are proclaiming.
You don't, and get owned every time.

I do not know why your mom allows you online unsupervised.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I do know why your mom allows you online unsupervised.

She indeed has her hands full...well at one time...pre Jesus.
I asked her one time about all the bad stuff I did.
She blew me away.
She said " oh son, I only remember the good things"
She was a jewel.
A true Godly woman that loved her redeemer.
Above all, she wanted to be like Him.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Can you tell me why you are so delusional? Your arguments are completely incoherent and are the weakest arguments I've ever seen on any topic in my life. And you think you owned him? LOL. You're not living in reality. You are in completely over your head here. You are in way over your depth. You have no debate skills whatsoever. Please get out of your dream world and join reality so you can realize that you need to stop making a fool of yourself.

Try real hard to post any little thing of substance.
I usually never talk to you.
You should do some exercises
Like opening a Bible.

 

[WPM]

Then jettison "worthy vs unworthy" from the Bible.
In heaven, some will receive crowns.
Some will not.
You have no concept of worthy ones vs unworthy ones.
To you, all is the same.
Maybe you can change that somehow, as that is THE BASIS Jesus is using.

That us the difference between you and me.
I am able to ,and regularly pray, what Jesus told me to pray.
Jesus said in my Bible( probably not in yours,) to pray to be counted Worthy to escape the things about to come upon the Earth ,and stand before the son of man. That's what Jesus told me to pray (that I would be counted Worthy).
That is because the Unworthy ones do not go in the rapture.
The Rapture is for the bride, not for carnal ,weak, faithless Christians, that are not waiting for Jesus, but waiting for something else.
So why would any post-tribulation rapture adherent pray any of that, that Jesus said to pray?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9 says: “if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain ‘shall be caught up’ [Gr. harpazō] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”

The coming of Christ is a destructive day will catch the wicked unexpected and unprepared but the righteous waiting and ready. We are caught up before the wicked are destroyed with "sudden destruction" and 'none escape'. We are going to be rescued just before the wrath of God is poured out and everyone left behind suffers "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape."

The Greek word aifnídios is only found in one other passage in Scripture – Luke 21:33-36. Here it is also identified with the unexpected nature of the second coming, where Christ declares: “Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares [Gr. aifnídios meaning suddenly]. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”

So, "they (the wicked) shall not escape" the "sudden destruction" that accompanies Christ's return, but we (the redeemed) are "accounted worthy to escape." It will come upon the rebel "unawares." This is describing the same climactic event. It is the end. Men are either ready or caught unexpectedly; they are caught up or caught on. They are either saved or lost. It is now eternal bliss or eternal torment.

Christ is exhorting His listeners here to be ready for His return, and warning that He will pour out His wrath upon all mankind who are not prepared, ready and rescued. This is the time when the heavens and the earth shall pass away.

The phrase "all these things" (that Pretribbers keep getting tripped up on every time this is discussed) is not everything the Left Behind novels have taught them (including some imaginary future 7-year trib), it is talking about the total destruction and removal of the wicked and current corrupted creation. Read what the text is actually saying.