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Scripture repeatedly teaches that all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns. Since all believers will have immortal bodies when He comes again (1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54) and all unbelievers will be killed, that does not leave any mortals to populate the earth for a supposed thousand year earthly kingdom, as premillennialists believe.

Here are the passages which clearly teach that no mortals will survive the second coming of Christ.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

In this passage Jesus teaches that heaven and earth will pass away unexpectedly when He comes, which lines up with 2 Peter 3:7,10-12. Obviously, no mortals can survive that. And that is why He said that just as all who were not on the ark and were oblivious to the coming wrath of God were all destroyed "so shall also the coming of the Son of man be". Those who are oblivious to the wrath that will come down when Jesus comes again will all be destroyed just as they were all destroyed by the flood in Noah's day. No unbelievers will survive His second coming just as none survived the flood. That is clearly what Jesus taught here.

Jesus taught the same thing in this passage:

Luke 17:26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.

Throughout this passage Jesus compares what will happen to believers and unbelievers at His second coming. He taught that just as the flood killed all unbelievers on earth in Noah's day and just as the fire and brimstone killed all unbelievers in Sodom in Lot's day "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.". So, Jesus said it will be just like that when He comes which means that all unbelievers will be killed when He comes just as what happened in Noah's day and Lot's day. Jesus referred to the example of Lot's wife. Anyone whose love for the things of this world exceeds their love for Christ will be destroyed. Everyone will either be taken or left behind and killed just as Noah was taken on to the earth and those left out of the ark were all killed. And just as Lot was taken out of Sodom and those who were left in Sodom were all killed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Paul taught the same thing as Jesus. No unbelievers will survive Christ's second coming. He will take vengeance on all "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ". He doesn't make any exceptions there. All unbelievers will be killed without exception on that day. And why wouldn't it be that way? What would make it so that any unbelievers would survive? Jesus said "he who is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). If someone is not with Him then they are against Him. All who are against Him will be killed on the day He returns. There is no reason to think there would be any exceptions.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

We know that Jesus will come as a thief in the night (Matt 24:42-44, Revelation 16:15), so this passage is talking about the day Christ returns which Paul called "the day of the Lord" which he did in 2 Thessalonians 2:2 as well. Jesus said that no one knows the day or hour of His second coming (Matt 24:36, Matt 25:13), so Him coming like a thief in the night simply refers to the unexpected nature of His second coming. Remember, in 2 Thess 1:7-9 Paul teaches that Jesus will take vengeance on "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" when He returns. So, that is who Paul is talking about in 1 Thess 5:2-3. Paul said that "sudden destruction" will come upon unbelievers when Christ comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night and "they shall not escape". Premil says some of them will somehow escape, but Paul gave no such indication at all.

Peter left no doubt about whether or not any mortals can escape the "sudden destruction" that will occur on the day of the Lord by being specific about what will cause that "sudden destruction". What he wrote about it made it clear as to why Paul said "they shall not escape".

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The context of the above passage is obviously in relation to the second coming of Christ. Peter talked about how scoffers come in the last days and mockingly ask "Where is the promise of his coming?". They think that He'll never come and His wrath won't come down on them. But, as Peter pointed out, they willingly ignorant of how God once flooded the earth and destroyed it with water in Noah's day. He compared the destruction that will occur when Christ comes to the flood just as Jesus did. And, Jesus as Jesus did in Matthew 24:35-39, Peter indicated that the heavens and earth will be destroyed when Jesus comes. And it will be by fire. How can any mortals survive that? Especially when you look at how he described that destruction in detail here:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Clearly, no mortals can survive the burning up of the entire earth as Peter described.

Again, Paul taught that the day of the Lord is the day that Jesus returns. I think most premils would agree with that when it comes to 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, but they mostly seem to suddenly not agree with that anymore when it comes to 2 Peter 3:10-12, which does not make any sense. How can those 2 passages be talking about different events when they both talk about the day of the Lord that will come as a thief in the night?

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

How can Revelation 20 describe something that follows Revelation 19 chronologically when Rev 19:17-18, like those other scriptures, teaches that all unbelievers are killed when Christ returns?

Amillennialists like myself often get falsely accused of spiritualizing literal scripture. But, as you can see in this post, I backed up my claims with nothing but literal, straightforward scriptures. We should use these scriptures as the foundation for our doctrine and use them to help us interpret more difficult scriptures found within highly symbolic books like Zechariah, Isaiah and Revelation.
 

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This is not true.
There will be plenty of mortals in the world but not so much in the kingdom.if heaven.

But if you don't now where the kingdom of heaven is ,then there would t be much sense in discussing the mortals outside of the kingdom.
 

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This is not true.
There will be plenty of mortals in the world but not so much in the kingdom.if heaven.

But if you don't now where the kingdom of heaven is ,then there would t be much sense in discussing the mortals outside of the kingdom.
If you want to be taken seriously, then please address what I said in my post. Back up your claims with scripture, please.
 

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If you want to be taken seriously, then please address what I said in my post. Back up your claims with scripture, please.
The things you posted have to do with Christs kingdom .Not the world.

Mathew 13
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


It's the people in Jesus's kingdom that are consumed .The ones who do not become immortal.

Now I would agree that people in Egypt will be consumed even though most of Egypt is outside the kingdom.Egypt will also be desolate for 40 years,but after 40 years mortals will live in Egypt again
Mortals will continue living outside the kingdom after Christ comes and resurrects his saints .Mortals will continue to live outside Christs kingdom for 1000 years after Christ comes .After a 1000 years mortals will invade Christs kingdom and fire will come down out of heaven from God and devour those mortals .



Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


There was nothing immortal about the nations outside Christs kingdom who come against the kingdom.Thats why they are consumed.The only people who are immortal are the resurected saints on such a second death has no power.They can't die again.
 
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It's very simple.


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6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Mortal

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

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The things you posted have to do with Christs kingdom .Not the world.

Mathew 13
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


It's the people in Jesus's kingdom that are consumed .The ones who do not become immortal.
Did you not bother reading the parable that the text in Matthew 13:41-42 is based on? Apparently not.

Read the parable in Matthew 13:24-30 and then look at what Jesus said each part of the parable represents in this passage:

Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

So, the tares who are cast into the fire are NOT in Jesus's kingdom. They are NOT "children of the kingdom". Instead, they are "children of the wicked one". If you would have just taken the time to read the parable itself and the rest of Jesus's explanation of the parable, you would have seen that. So, Jesus was not saying they were in the kingdom, He is saying they are separated from those who ARE in His kingdom. That may not be clear in the text of Matthew 13:40-43, but it's clear when you actually read the parable and read the description of what each part of the parable represents in Matthew 13:36-39.
 

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It's very simple.


Immortal

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Mortal

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Can you please address what I said in the original post? Do you care whether or not your beliefs line up with the scriptures I posted in that post? If you think I'm misinterpreting those passages, then show me how you think they should be interpreted.
 
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Did you not bother reading the parable that the text in Matthew 13:41-42 is based on? Apparently not.

Read the parable in Matthew 13:24-30 and then look at what Jesus said each part of the parable represents in this passage:

Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

So, the tares who are cast into the fire are NOT in Jesus's kingdom. They are NOT "children of the kingdom". Instead, they are "children of the wicked one". If you would have just taken the time to read the parable itself and the rest of Jesus's explanation of the parable, you would have seen that. So, Jesus was not saying they were in the kingdom, He is saying they are separated from those who ARE in His kingdom. That may not be clear in the text of Matthew 13:40-43, but it's clear when you actually read the parable and read the description of what each part of the parable represents in Matthew 13:36-39.

Here are the good seed in the kingdom after they have been resurected from the dead.They live and reign with Christ in his kingdom.They are
Immortal

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.




Here are alot if mortals who live outside of Christs kingdom who invade the kingdom of heaven and fire comes down from heaven and devours those mortals.


Mortal

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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Can you please address what I said in the original post? Do you care whether or not your beliefs line up with the scriptures I posted in that post? If you think I'm misinterpreting those passages, then show me how you think they should be interpreted.
I'm posting scripture.My beliefs are based on scripture.

I'm showing you the difference between the immortals who live on earth and the mortals who come against the immortals.The immortals do not suffer a second death.The mortals are consumed.

This takes place 1000 years after Christ comes and raises the immortals from their graves.


It's very simple.


Immortal

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Mortal

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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Scripture repeatedly teaches that all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns. Since all believers will have immortal bodies when He comes again (1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54) and all unbelievers will be killed, that does not leave any mortals to populate the earth for a supposed thousand year earthly kingdom, as premillennialists believe.

Here are the passages which clearly teach that no mortals will survive the second coming of Christ.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

In this passage Jesus teaches that heaven and earth will pass away unexpectedly when He comes, which lines up with 2 Peter 3:7,10-12. Obviously, no mortals can survive that. And that is why He said that just as all who were not on the ark and were oblivious to the coming wrath of God were all destroyed "so shall also the coming of the Son of man be". Those who are oblivious to the wrath that will come down when Jesus comes again will all be destroyed just as they were all destroyed by the flood in Noah's day. No unbelievers will survive His second coming just as none survived the flood. That is clearly what Jesus taught here.

Jesus taught the same thing in this passage:

Luke 17:26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.

Throughout this passage Jesus compares what will happen to believers and unbelievers at His second coming. He taught that just as the flood killed all unbelievers on earth in Noah's day and just as the fire and brimstone killed all unbelievers in Sodom in Lot's day "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.". So, Jesus said it will be just like that when He comes which means that all unbelievers will be killed when He comes just as what happened in Noah's day and Lot's day. Jesus referred to the example of Lot's wife. Anyone whose love for the things of this world exceeds their love for Christ will be destroyed. Everyone will either be taken or left behind and killed just as Noah was taken on to the earth and those left out of the ark were all killed. And just as Lot was taken out of Sodom and those who were left in Sodom were all killed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Paul taught the same thing as Jesus. No unbelievers will survive Christ's second coming. He will take vengeance on all "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ". He doesn't make any exceptions there. All unbelievers will be killed without exception on that day. And why wouldn't it be that way? What would make it so that any unbelievers would survive? Jesus said "he who is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). If someone is not with Him then they are against Him. All who are against Him will be killed on the day He returns. There is no reason to think there would be any exceptions.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

We know that Jesus will come as a thief in the night (Matt 24:42-44, Revelation 16:15), so this passage is talking about the day Christ returns which Paul called "the day of the Lord" which he did in 2 Thessalonians 2:2 as well. Jesus said that no one knows the day or hour of His second coming (Matt 24:36, Matt 25:13), so Him coming like a thief in the night simply refers to the unexpected nature of His second coming. Remember, in 2 Thess 1:7-9 Paul teaches that Jesus will take vengeance on "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" when He returns. So, that is who Paul is talking about in 1 Thess 5:2-3. Paul said that "sudden destruction" will come upon unbelievers when Christ comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night and "they shall not escape". Premil says some of them will somehow escape, but Paul gave no such indication at all.

Peter left no doubt about whether or not any mortals can escape the "sudden destruction" that will occur on the day of the Lord by being specific about what will cause that "sudden destruction". What he wrote about it made it clear as to why Paul said "they shall not escape".

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The context of the above passage is obviously in relation to the second coming of Christ. Peter talked about how scoffers come in the last days and mockingly ask "Where is the promise of his
Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

How can Revelation 20 describe something that follows Revelation 19 chronologically when Rev 19:17-18, like those other scriptures, teaches that all unbelievers are killed when Christ returns?

Amillennialists like myself often get falsely accused of spiritualizing literal scripture. But, as you can see in this post, I backed up my claims with nothing but literal, straightforward scriptures. We should use these scriptures as the foundation for our doctrine and use them to help us interpret more difficult scriptures found within highly symbolic books like Zechariah, Isaiah and Revelation.
Like I said before,What you are writing about is about what takes place in the kingdom.
99 percent of the bible is about Israel and the surrounding countries which are all destroyed on the day of the Lord.

The world is not destroyed on the day of the Lord when the Lord comes to Jerusalem.
Israel and ten Muslim nations are destroyed .That's about it .This is the kingdom to be destroyed on the day of the Lord.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.







The nations outside of this kingdom are not destroyed on the day of the Lord.
 
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Here are the good seed in the kingdom after they have been resurected from the dead.They live and reign with Christ in his kingdom.They are
Immortal

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.




Here are alot if mortals who live outside of Christs kingdom who invade the kingdom of heaven and fire comes down from heaven and devours those mortals.


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9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Maybe you missed what I said. Please address the actual scriptures I posted in my original post. You apparently think I misinterpreted them? So, show me exactly how you interpret those scriptures. So far, you're not doing that. I showed how the tares are NOT in Christ's kingdom. You think they will get to live on the earth when He comes at the end of the age. Wrong. Instead, it shows that they will be cast into the fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth at that time. You are ignoring that.
 

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Like I said before,What you are writing about is about what takes place in the kingdom.
No, it isn't. You're ignoring the parable itself and what jesus said about it in Matthew 13:36-39. He said the tares are not children of the kingdom lie you are claiming, but instead are "children of the wicked one". Why are you ignoring this?

99 percent of the bible is about Israel and the surrounding countries which are all destroyed on the day of the Lord.
Nonsense. How can you not know that the NT is mostly about Jesus and His church and not about Israel?

The world is not destroyed on the day of the Lord when the Lord comes to Jerusalem.
How does that line up with this passage:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

How do you interpret this passage?
 

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I'm posting scripture.My beliefs are based on scripture.
You're not specifically addressing the scriptures I brought up at all. Why not? Would you rather just cherry pick scriptures that you think support your doctrine while ignoring the rest? Am I asking too much for you to actually show me how you interpret the scriptures I posted in my original post? Show me how you interpret them if you think I'm not interpreting them correctly. Why do you want to talk about any scriptures except for those? I can't take you seriously if you keep avoiding those scriptures which all talk about what happens on the day Christ returns.
 

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On the day of the Lord,the king of the north goes forth to destroy and annihilate many.One of the countries he destroys is Egypt.

Daniel 11:
42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape.
43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission.
44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.


No one will live in Egypt for 40 years.But after 40 years,mortals return to Egypt


Ezekiel 29
10 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia.

11 No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years.

12 And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.

13 Yet thus saith the Lord God; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered:

14 And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom.



The rest of Africa is just fine. The entire middle east is laid waste on the day of the Lord,But the nations below Egypt are not destroyed.
 
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No, it isn't. You're ignoring the parable itself and what jesus said about it in Matthew 13:36-39. He said the tares are not children of the kingdom lie you are claiming, but instead are "children of the wicked one". Why are you ignoring this?


Nonsense. How can you not know that the NT is mostly about Jesus and His church and not about Israel?


How does that line up with this passage:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

How do you interpret this passage?
As I posted.

The children of he wicked one are cast out of Jesus's kingdom.

Mathew 13
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



You keep saying hey are not in Jesus's kingdom but Jesus says they are cast out of his kingdom.
They get burned up.

Jesus didn't say everyone outside of his kingdom are cast out of his kingdom.Just the people in his kingdom who sin and do evil.

I've posted scripture after scripture of his kingdom being burned up .The mortals outside of his kingdom are not destroyed.Just the ones in his kingdom.
 
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You're not specifically addressing the scriptures I brought up at all. Why not? Would you rather just cherry pick scriptures that you think support your doctrine while ignoring the rest? Am I asking too much for you to actually show me how you interpret the scriptures I posted in my original post? Show me how you interpret them if you think I'm not interpreting them correctly. Why do you want to talk about any scriptures except for those? I can't take you seriously if you keep avoiding those scriptures which all talk about what happens on the day Christ returns.
I'm showing mortals being of consumed 1000 years after the Lord comes and resurrects his saints from their graves.
Mortals which you say don't exist
 

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As I posted.

The children of he wicked one are cast out of Jesus's kingdom.

Mathew 13
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
But, in Matthew 13:36-39 the children of the wicked one are contrasted with the children of the kingdom. So, you're not understanding that they are not in His kingdom or else it would say that they too were children of the kingdom. But, they are not. So, what it means when it says they are cast out of His kingdom is not that they are in His kingdom and then cast out of it. That would contradict what He had just said before that. Instead, it means they are cast out from the presence of His kingdom.

Remember, it says the wheat and tares would grow together until the harvest (end of the age). So, the kingdom of Christ exists on the earth with the kingdom of the wicked one at the same time. So, all it means when He said the angels "will weed out of His kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil" is that the children of the wicked one will be separated from the children of the kingdom. To think that the children of the wicked one are in Jesus's kingdom is insane and utter nonsense. Think about it.

You keep saying hey are not in Jesus's kingdom but Jesus says they are cast out of his kingdom.
You are misinterpreting what that means. Think about it! You are saying that children of the wicked one are in Jesus's kingdom! What?!!! No way is that true. You are apparently ignoring that the children of the wicked one are contrasted with the children of the kingdom. Only the children of the kingdom are in His kingdom. That should be obvious. The children of the wicked one are not in His kingdom. That's crazy talk to say the children of the wicked one are in Christ's kingdom. No, they are in the wicked one's kingdom.

The way it's worded is throwing you off, but when you take everything He said into consideration it should be clear that it's only talking about separating the children of the wicked one from the children of the kingdom and not saying it's casting the children of the wicked one out of Christ's kingdom as if they are in His kingdom. No wicked people are in His kingdom. Think!

They get burned up.

Jesus didn't say everyone outside of his kingdom are cast out of his kingdom.Just the people in his kingdom who sin and do evil.

I've posted scripture after scripture of his kingdom being burned up .The mortals outside of his kingdom are not destroyed.Just the ones in his kingdom.
You're not addressing any of the other scriptures I brought up in the original post. Why not? Can you show me how you reconcile those with your doctrine? Or do you prefer to cherry pick scripture that you accept while ignoring the scriptures that you don't accept? I'm getting that impression from you because no matter how many times I ask you to address those scriptures, you won't do it.
 

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I'm showing mortals being of consumed 1000 years after the Lord comes and resurrects his saints from their graves.
Mortals which you say don't exist
What do I need to do to get you to actually specifically address what I said in my original post? I'll try one last time. Please address those scriptures. If you don't then I'll know that you don't want to be taken seriously. Can you at least tell me how you interpret this passage:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 

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You're not specifically addressing the scriptures I brought up at all. Why not? Would you rather just cherry pick scriptures that you think support your doctrine while ignoring the rest? Am I asking too much for you to actually show me how you interpret the scriptures I posted in my original post? Show me how you interpret them if you think I'm not interpreting them correctly. Why do you want to talk about any scriptures except for those? I can't take you seriously if you keep avoiding those scriptures which all talk about what happens on the day Christ returns.
You said this.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

How can Revelation 20 describe something that follows Revelation 19 chronologically when Rev 19:17-18, like those other scriptures, teaches that all unbelievers are killed when Christ returns?



Revelation 19:17-18 doesn't say everyone in the entire world is destroyed.As I said.Its talking about what happens when Christ recieves his kingdom.

Revelation 20 is about what takes place after Christ receives his kingdom.He reigns in his kingdom with the saints he resurrects for 1000 years and then the mortals outside his kingdom comes against his kingdom and those mortals are all destroyed.



The fact that you don't know where Christs kingdom is is your greatest weakness.You don't know where Christ and the resurected saints will be reigning when the nations outside of his kingdom invades his kingdom.You dont know where God says he will cause this in the old testament.God said he would cause revelation 19 and 20 in the same chapter in the old testament.lol
You can't tell the difference between revelation 19 and 20.You can't tell the difference between them who keep God's judgments and them who don't.
 
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You said this.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

How can Revelation 20 describe something that follows Revelation 19 chronologically when Rev 19:17-18, like those other scriptures, teaches that all unbelievers are killed when Christ returns?



Revelation 19:17-18 doesn't say everyone in the entire world is destroyed.As I said.Its talking about what happens when Christ recieves his kingdom.
Yes, it is saying that. Everyone except for believers, of course, who do not ever experience His wrath. It says "all people, free and slave, great and small" to show that there are no exceptions when it comes to unbelievers. Whether they are free or slave, great or small, or anything in between, they will be destroyed.

Tell me, does Paul make any exceptions in the following passage as it relates to which of Christ's enemies will be destroyed when He comes?

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Does this indicate that any of "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" will survive Christ's return? I don't believe so. What do you think?

Revelation 20 is about what takes place after Christ receives his kingdom.He reigns in his kingdom with the saints he resurrects for 1000 years and then the mortals outside his kingdom comes against his kingdom and those mortals are all destroyed.
He received His kingdom long ago already upon His resurrection and His ascension to the right hand of the Father.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Can you see here how at His resurrection and ascension He was given authority as King over "all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named" with "all things under his feet" while being made "head over all things to the church"? Why do you act as if He is not King of His kingdom yet when scripture says He has been King over His kingdom for a long time already.

Do you not think you are in His kingdom? Is He not your king right now?

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The fact that you don't know where Christs kingdom is is your greatest weakness.
You have a strange understanding of what a fact is. His kingdom is on heaven and one earth and all of His people are in it. Just as scripture teaches. So, don't tell me I don't know where it is. It does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36). You don't seem to know that we are in His kingdom now and that is YOUR greatest weakness.

You don't know where Christ and the resurected saints will be reigning when the nations outside of his kingdom invades his kingdom.You dont know where God says he will cause this in the old testament.God said he would cause revelation 19 and 20 in the same chapter in the old testament.lol
You can't tell the difference between revelation 19 and 20.You can't tell the difference between them who keep God's judgments and them who don't.
You don't know anything. And you clearly are not able to back up anything you say with scripture. And you clearly are not able to refute any of my interpretations of the scriptures I posted in the original post. I'm trying to get you to address them and you are very hesitant to do so and I know why that is.
 
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