That's right!
As for the Day of the Lord, I'm not certain enough to say when it starts and when it ends, but midway through the 70th week at the 7th trumpet seems a likely beginning point to me.
Much love!
To what does the APOSTASIA refer
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As for the Day of the Lord, I'm not certain enough to say when it starts and when it ends, but midway through the 70th week at the 7th trumpet seems a likely beginning point to me.
Much love!
No matter how large your font, I will in fact continue to believe the Bible with all my heart, and I will continue to faithfully share with you such things as I believe the Holy Spirit leads me to share with you.
It's not for me to convince you of anything. It's for me to humbly present truth to you, for you to receive gain.
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Thank you for sharing your low opinion of me. You do me much disservice in doing so, but does that stop you? Apparently not. Is your opinion reflective of reality? Not in the least, as far as I'm concerned. Is it our call in Christian service to bad-mouth others? I don't think so.
The fact is, you have no clue about my relationship with God, and how tightly I hold to His Word. None whatsoever. Only that I disagree with you over certain non-essentional points in Scripture.
So for that, you label me for the world to see, "Hey everyone, this fellow is hard hearted, resisting against Scripture!"
Bravo! Well done!
You do understand, don't you, that your words actually show what is in your heart, not mine.
I'm curious . . . what do you think such words add to this discussion?
Much love!
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The wise love correction. It gives a gift you cannot receive otherwise.
"For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives" (Hebrews 12:6, NKJV).
This is one of my most dear promises!! It shows God loves me even when when I'm out there somewhere, enough to bring me back into the Way.
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You posted the entire thing and cherry picked the wrong part of it as evidence of your belief and when I correct you, suddenly the whole thing is opinion not to be trusted?
You are the one who posted it.
There are some who are more serious minded, and of a gentler heart. Not to many, it's important to set the best example we can!
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Spiritual Israelite
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What you're saying only applies to unbelievers. You're not looking at the whole story.
The day of Christ and the day of the Lord are the same thing and refer to the day Christ returns in the future. It is a day of light for Christ's people who will be gathered to Him in the air on that day. Just read 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9. Those who are not in spiritual darkness will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air on the day of the Lord, which IS His second coming, and those in spiritual darkness will have "sudden destruction" come upon them on that day from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). Since we are in the light, we WILL escape His wrath (1 Thess 5:4-9).
What you're saying only applies to unbelievers. You're not looking at the whole story.
Another gospel according to Spiritual Israelite.
That can't be correct, though. The middle of the 70th week is the beginning of great tribulation. According to Matthew 24:29 and the 6th seal in Revelation 6, to name a few, the day of the Lord follows great tribulation not parallels it. We can even see this in the OT as well.
Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce ange
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven(Matthew 24:29)---the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine(Isaiah 13:10)
Let's break it down even more.
and the moon shall not give her light(Matthew 24:29)---and the moon shall not cause her light to shine(Isaiah 13:10)
Then there is this to compare.
Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place(Isaiah 13:13)---and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken(Matthew 24:29)
It can't get any clearer. The DOTL is after great tribulation not during it.
And where does Matthew 24:29 undeniably place the day of the Lord? Here of course---Immediately after the tribulation of those days
and guess what? No way is immediately after the tribulation of those days meaning during those tribulation of days. In this case, the tribulation of those days meaning great tribulation. After does not mean during, it means after. The DOTL is immediately after great tribulation. There is no denying it. Therefore, Scripture nor Jesus is wrong. Only someone that would deny what the Scriptures say and what Jesus said, is wrong, not them.
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David in NJ
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Just returned home from work/family responsibilities.
i promised another Brother to answer some pre-trib questions
Will return here soon - SHALOM
David in NJ
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marks, you are playing the hypocrite here - for it is you changing scripture to prop up pre-trib
TRUE humbleness is not in soft speech but is in the heart of a man who submits to God's words of TRUTH, which you REJECT.
JESUS, PAUL & JOHN rebuke your stubbornness and false humility.
#1. JESUS - Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.
And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
#2. Apostle PAUL - Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
#3. Apostle JOHN - Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
the LORD HIMSELF and 2 GODLY WITNESSES/APOSTLES rebuke your error LOUD and CLEAR
are you going to submit to CHRIST on this???
Nor have you researched your own.
ADD - Avoidance, Distraction, Denial - as expected.
Thanks for the confirmations.
We have a different view of a non-essential doctrine. Let's not make it more than it is. I fear your flesh is being triggered, therefore this is not healthy, and I'm not going to continue. I suggest you let this go likewise.
Much love!
David in NJ
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You have your own view, which contradicts SIMPLE grade school grammar of the Holy Scriptures.
Print out Post #235 and lay it before the LORD in your prayer closet and wait on HIM until HE reveals to you what you need to do.
David in NJ
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I'll make it simple, what do pre-tribs believe the APOSTASIA means?Nor have you researched your own.
ADD - Avoidance, Distraction, Denial - as expected.
Thanks for the confirmations.
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