It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[Davidpt]

This is rich coming from you. You are possibly the most overly sensitive person on the entire forum and you're telling others to lighten up. Talk about a lack of self awareness.

I already suffer from low self esteem the way it is. And it is not helping when someone is telling me, no one understands what you are talking about. You make no sense. You think you are being logical but you are not. You're never logical about anything, you only think you are. Things like that, I am sensitive about, I admit it. I don't care if others disagree with me about something. But to keep telling me no one understands what I'm saying, that's it's all just basically gibberish, is a bit too much for me to deal with. If that's the way someone feels about my posts, just keep that part to yourself. Then just ask me to clarify what I was meaning, otherwise it is making it personal by pointing out in public that no one understands what I'm saying. As if any one person can speak for everybody to begin with.

 

[WPM]

@MA2444 and @Douggg and @Ronald D Milam

are UNWILLING to yield their hearts to the TRUTH of God's words

They seek honor from one another. In doing so they CHANGE scripture to prop up the idol of pre-trib rapture.

They RUN and HIDE from 3 grade school level questions because they KNOW it completely deflates their ego worship of pre-trib.

3 simple questions by the Word of the LORD spoken in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

#1 - What location is JESUS leaving when He comes for the rapture?

#2- Who is HE bringing with Himself?
a.) "the dead in Christ" or
b.) previously raptured saints

#3 - Which occurs FIRST?
a.) the Resurrection or
b.) the Rapture

@WPM
They are intentionally avoiding/ignoring is what COWARDS do = they run because they know they cannot STAND UP to the CHALLENGE/FIGHT

The second error they commit is to divert away from the TRUTH by misrepresenting scripture in hope that they can mesmerize you just as they themselves have been mesmerized.

There is a reason why people avoid what the text says. It cuts across what they have been taught. They are in love with a doctrine, not the truth.

 

[David in NJ]

Today's Poem for God's lambs

Hey everyone, listen to me
for I have a doctorate of divinity

Come sit at my feet
because you know it will be neat
you're not as smart as me
i have a doctorate of divinity

pre-trib, pre-trib watch the words change
from truth to a lie, oh how strange
that you would believe me
simply because i have a doctorate of divinity

Now pad my pockets as i am needy
of all your money, let's not be greedy
after all, i am much smarter then the minority
simply because i have a doctorate of divinity

There is a reason why people avoid what the text says. It cuts across what they have been taught. They are in love with a doctrine, not the truth.

Yo bro, u spekin truth ya kno

 

[David in NJ]

I already suffer from low self esteem the way it is. And it is not helping when someone is telling me, no one understands what you are talking about. You make no sense. You think you are being logical but you are not. You're never logical about anything, you only think you are. Things like that, I am sensitive about, I admit it. I don't care if others disagree with me about something. But to keep telling me no one understands what I'm saying, that's it's all just basically gibberish, is a bit too much for me to deal with. If that's the way someone feels about my posts, just keep that part to yourself. Then just ask me to clarify what I was meaning, otherwise it is making it personal by pointing out in public that no one understands what I'm saying. As if any one person can speak for everybody to begin with.

David,
you are much smarter then many who only follow what they are told by the 'smart people'

You may like 'Today's Poem' in Post 1,163

 

[MA2444]

How about address the Op? That is what this thread is all about. Why are you avoiding these relevant passages? What are you scared of? Why would anyone want to write a commentary on multiple passages that make absolutely no mention to the Church, a rapture, a 7-year trib or a 3rd coming? That is ridiculous! This sums up the Pretrib derailment tactics.

I'll take that as a No from you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you going to be able to stay on topic?
Are you going to be able to work and play well with others? (Without any insults)

Of course. Are you?

Are you willing to step outside the book of Revelation?

I always do. That's what I often try to get pretribs to do, so it's strange for you to ask me this question.

I suggest the Book of Daniel. The way it would have to work with you is start at chapter 1 in Daniel and both of us exegete the verses, verse by verse.
I feel if we do this you may gain some understanding into the pre trib doctrine and how it fits in together as a truth.

I have no interest in taking that approach to determining the truth about the rapture as I don't believe that is necessary. But, if you exegete the verses, I'll take part in discussing it.

But, I prefer to base my doctrine on clear, straightforward scriptures rather than basing it mainly on passages from the most highly symbolic and difficult to interpret books in scripture. I use what I see taught in those straightforward scriptures like John 5:28-29 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 to help understand more difficult scripture. And I believe the NT sheds light on the OT, so I try to allow the NT to interpret the OT for me as much as possible. You seem to do these things the other way around. So, our approach couldn't be more different.

If all you gonna do is laugh and reject it and start talking crap, then I'm not interested.

It's ironic for you to say this to me because you laugh and talk crap as much as anyone here. But, yes, I can refrain from any of that.

What can you say that would make me want to reason with you considering the pattern you have shown in the past?

Your pattern is no better, but you'll just have to take my word for it.

(here comes the question lol)

Not sure what this means.

 

[WPM]

I'll take that as a No from you.

You were not asking me. I simply reminded you of what the thread is all about. Address the Op. You (and your fellow Pretribbers) have ducked around it for long enough.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I already suffer from low self esteem the way it is. And it is not helping when someone is telling me, no one understands what you are talking about. You make no sense. You think you are being logical but you are not. You're never logical about anything, you only think you are. Things like that, I am sensitive about, I admit it.

Well, I'm sorry for saying that then. The thing that bothered me that you did was that you were in an argument with pretribs and refuting pretrib and you decided to get some digs in at Amil in the process for no good reason. And you definitely were not coming across as if you had low self esteem at all. You were coming across arrogantly as if you had killed two birds (pretrib and Amil) with one stone with your arguments despite them not even being clear arguments, in my opinion. But, I definitely don't have any intention of trying to make you feel bad about yourself.

I don't care if others disagree with me about something. But to keep telling me no one understands what I'm saying, that's it's all just basically gibberish, is a bit too much for me to deal with.

Are you completely innocent here, though? You were being rather prideful with your claim that you were refuting pretrib and Amil at the same time.

If that's the way someone feels about my posts, just keep that part to yourself.

Can you not act as if you have 100% proven Amil to be false then, please? I don't take well to that kind of thing at all. Especially when I couldn't at all see how you supposedly did that.

Then just ask me to clarify what I was meaning, otherwise it is making it personal by pointing out in public that no one understands what I'm saying. As if any one person can speak for everybody to begin with.

Okay, I will. And I ask you to stop acting as if you have 100% proven something to be false when you give your opinions.

 

[WPM]

Of course. Are you?


I always do. That's what I often try to get pretribs to do, so it's strange for you to ask me this question.



I have no interest in taking that approach to determining the truth about the rapture as I don't believe that is necessary. But, if you exegete the verses, I'll take part in discussing it.

But, I prefer to base my doctrine on clear, straightforward scriptures rather than basing it mainly on passages from the most highly symbolic and difficult to interpret books in scripture. I use what I see taught in those straightforward scriptures like John 5:28-29 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 to help understand more difficult scripture. And I believe the NT sheds light on the OT, so I try to allow the NT to interpret the OT for me as much as possible. You seem to do these things the other way around. So, our approach couldn't be more different.


It's ironic for you to say this to me because you laugh and talk crap as much as anyone here. But, yes, I can refrain from any of that.


Your pattern is no better, but you'll just have to take my word for it.


Not sure what this means.

There is zero chance he will address relevant second coming or "rapture" passages. To go there would force him to abandon his error.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You were not asking me. I simply reminded you of what the thread is all about. Address the Op. You (and your fellow Pretribbers) have ducked around it for long enough.

He wants to prove a pretrib rapture using the book of Daniel which makes no sense to me at all. The rapture is not mentioned anywhere in the book of Daniel. But, I guess he realizes he can't prove a pretrib rapture using NT scripture.

 

[WPM]

I already suffer from low self esteem the way it is. And it is not helping when someone is telling me, no one understands what you are talking about. You make no sense. You think you are being logical but you are not. You're never logical about anything, you only think you are. Things like that, I am sensitive about, I admit it. I don't care if others disagree with me about something. But to keep telling me no one understands what I'm saying, that's it's all just basically gibberish, is a bit too much for me to deal with. If that's the way someone feels about my posts, just keep that part to yourself. Then just ask me to clarify what I was meaning, otherwise it is making it personal by pointing out in public that no one understands what I'm saying. As if any one person can speak for everybody to begin with.

No Posttribber here wants to hurt or belittle you. But will you stop belittling Amils and NOSAS in your posts, especially when these are not the topic of conversation? Both of these truths seem to bother you.

 

[David in NJ]

He wants to prove a pretrib rapture using the book of Daniel which makes no sense to me at all. The rapture is not mentioned anywhere in the book of Daniel. But, I guess he realizes he can't prove a pretrib rapture using NT scripture.

The Book of Daniel will be their undoing just as Matthew chapter 24 and 1st & 2nd Thessalonians

They are very AFRAID of me because ALL their men of 'divinity' does not stand a chance against what the LORD is doing.

 

[MA2444]

I have no interest in taking that approach to determining the truth about the rapture as I don't believe that is necessary. But, if you exegete the verses, I'll take part in discussing it.

But, I prefer to base my doctrine on clear, straightforward scriptures rather than basing it mainly on passages from the most highly symbolic and difficult to interpret books in scripture.

See? I can't talk to you. If we cant do this 50/50 then get bent.

I stopped reading your post right here. What your saying is as long as you have control of the narrative and what is discussed. No thank you.

 

[MA2444]

There is zero chance he will address relevant second coming or "rapture" passages. To go there would force him to abandon his error.

You can get bent too.

And the Book of Daniel is highly symbolic you all say. For your information is might be the most literal and accurate book of the bible. The book proves itself and it proves the Bible is true because of the accuracy of the prophecies contained therein.

 

[MA2444]

The Book of Daniel will be their undoing just as Matthew chapter 24 and 1st & 2nd Thessalonians

They are very AFRAID of me because ALL their men of 'divinity' does not stand a chance against what the LORD is doing.

And you too.

Come let us reason together, but according to our rules? Bwahahahahaha!

That is a great one Brother! Very funny!

God bless all you amils but I'm out of a study with you, lol.

 

[WPM]

You can get bent too.

And the Book of Daniel is highly symbolic you all say. For your information is might be the most literal and accurate book of the bible. The book proves itself and it proves the Bible is true because of the accuracy of the prophecies contained therein.

We are all watching with bated breath! So, will you first of all outline all the passages in Daniel that mention the Church, a rapture, a 7-year trib or a 3rd coming?

 

[MA2444]

We are all watching with bated breath! So, will you first of all outline all the passages in Daniel that mention the Church, a rapture, a 7-year trib or a 3rd coming?

Oh yeah, here ya go....

 

[WPM]

See? I can't talk to you. If we cant do this 50/50 then get bent.

I stopped reading your post right here. What your saying is as long as you have control of the narrative and what is discussed. No thank you.

LOL. Who do you think you're fooling? You were never going to exegete anything. The next time you do it will be your first. You are incapable of that. All you have is avoidance and insults.

 

[MA2444]

LOL. Who do you think you're fooling? You were never going to exegete anything. The next time you do it will be your first. You are incapable of that. All you have is avoidance and insults.

I will with anyone else except you three.

Hey! You picked up a new memeber of your congrgation, pastor. Now you have a congregation of Two!

Woo-Hoo! Maybe they'll send you a dollar!

 

[WPM]

I will with anyone else except you three.

Hey! You picked up a new memeber of your congrgation, pastor. Now you have a congregation of Two!

Woo-Hoo! Maybe they'll send you a dollar!

More avoidance. More insults.