The Rapture - At Any Hour

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But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24:43-44

As for the times and the seasons of all of that....

It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. - Acts 1:7

And as far as who goes and who stays...

And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:3-4

But this will be a pretty good indication...

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. - 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24:43-44


Jesus described the tribulation which takes place before his coming in Mathew 24.You skipped the tribulation in mathew 24 .First comes the tribulation.

Mathew 24
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


Then after this tribulation Christ comes.

Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

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And the sad part is, some of that has rubbed off on me as well since I have been known to use LOL a time or two in some of my posts. But mostly directed to those that have been dishing it out, because, in my mind, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it as well. IOW, I'm for the underdog, I'm somewhat opposed to bullies that think they are better than everyone else, smarter than everyone else, etc.

I might not be book smart but I am street smart. Had to literally live on the streets homeless a time or two in my life. There were a few times if it weren't for my street smarts, I wouldn't even be here right now. All the book smarts in the world would not have delivered me out of some of those situations I found myself in at times.
LOL followed by a smart or degrading comment is more or less calling someone a dumb ass without using those words. It’s for weak minded people.
 

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Here’s a good hit that lines up perfectly with the most famous hour in the Bible.

Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Depending on how you might interpret the following, the following then gives us the timing of when this is meaning.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
 
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Depending on how you might interpret the following, the following then gives us the timing of when this is meaning.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
It’s appointed to man once to die and then the judgement. I would say that verse is Jesus coming to meet us when it’s time to leave this world.
 

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Jesus described the tribulation which takes place before his coming in Mathew 24.You skipped the tribulation in mathew 24 .First comes the tribulation.

They asked Jesus 3 questions during the private briefing and he answered them all, but not in chronological order.
 

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There sure is lots of naysaysers who always come out when the rapture is discussed. It reeks of the demonic.

Not a cloud in the sky right now so you might have one more day to prepare. It could be tomorrow!
 

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There sure is lots of naysaysers who always come out when the rapture is discussed. It reeks of the demonic.

Not a cloud in the sky right now so you might have one more day to prepare. It could be tomorrow!
You do realize that the world is ending right now don’t you? It’s happening right in front your eyes. Millions of Christians around the world took the death shot and have died or have been maimed for life and many more will die from it in the coming years

Jesus didn’t rapture them and he didn’t stop them from taking the death shot.
 

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They asked Jesus 3 questions during the private briefing and he answered them all, but not in chronological order.
The persecution of the saints is always before Christ comes. The saints are not persecuted and killed after he comes.


Mathew 10
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
 

tailgator

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This says a lot about the people who would not lay down their life to follow the lamb.


Mathew 16
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.




Peter seems to have changed his perspective after recieving he holy spirit.He went on and lost his life for Christ.
 

tailgator

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The persecution of the saints always comes before the time of the end no matter where you read about it.The gospel,Daniel,Revelation all agree.

Daniel 11:33-35
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.
 

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Just because you don't know what I'm saying doesn't necessariliry mean others don't as well.
It's very likely the case.

The point I was making is simple.
Then try explaining it simply.

When Jesus returns He rewards faithful servants with authority over things.
Yeah, so?

Are we to believe they maintain this authority throughout eternity then, even after 1 Corinthians 15:28 has been fullfilled?
Sure, why not? Is this your argument, that this authority given is temporary? You think this is a strong argument?

What do you think, that 1 Cor 15:24-28 describes the thousand years? No chance of that. Jesus will have delivered the kingdom to the Father at that point, so how could it relate to a thousand year earthly kingdom of Christ on earth?

What would they need authority over at that point?
Scripture simply doesn't tell us much about what things will be like in eternity. That's no reason to assume that there won't be levels of authority at that point. The angels have different levels of authority now, so I imagine it will be similar to that.

Do you dispute that that parable in Luke 19 involves the literal bodily return of Christ in the end of this age?
No. Why would I?

So what if it's a parable? Parables can't involve actual truths, such as the leaving and returning and receiving a kingdom per the parable, that these are actual truths?
Why are you asking me this as if I said that parables can't involve actual truths, which I never said? You're always imagining things for some reason. It's very strange.

That we are to take those events in the literal sense. Otherwise, we might as well all be full Preterists since there is no such as a literal bodily return in the future per that view.
LOL. I have no idea why you're saying these things to me as if I said we can't use parables to help determine the truth of things, which I never did.

BTW, are you making fun out of the way I post by saying no one ever understands what I'm saying?
I'm not saying no one ever understands what you're saying, but I think that is the case fairly often. Surely, not every time you post by any means. But, you sometimes have trouble getting to the point and being clear. You have said as such yourself before, so why be so defensive about it now?

And if you are and everyone else is as well, thus me being the laughing stock around here, I'm through posting on this board then.
Calm down. I'm not saying you're never clear. But, in this case and some other times, you're not. Again, you have said before you are able to communicate better verbally than on here, so that's just the way it is. So, try to be more clear then about what you're saying in this case. And don't act like you are being clear because you're not.

Pretty much every post I make that you address, you can't help laughing out loud about something I said.
It's not just in response to you only. Any time I see someone say something I believe is ridiculous, I respond in that way. If you don't like it then you can either just ignore me or stop saying ridiculous things. It's your choice.

You were obviously being a phony when I knew you over at BibleForums. I don't ever recall you acting in that manner towards others even when you disagreed with them. I suspect the reason is because the Mods would not have let you get away with it if you had.
I'm sure they probably would not have, but I was not being a phony. I was posting according to what was allowed on that forum. If I see something I think is ridiculous then I laugh at it. I like to show how ridiculous things are that people say on here. People are constantly trying to make scripture say what they want it to say and, in my opinion, they deserve to be called out on it and ridiculed when they do that.
 

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He uses LOL waaaay too much. Just ignore him. I understand your posts just fine, I just don’t agree with them.
I laugh when I find something to be funny and ridiculous. Such as most of the things you say on this forum. Yeah, just ignore me then. Or stop saying ridiculous things like saying people are resurrected immediately after death and other nonsense that isn't remotely taught in scripture. It's your choice.

Also, I highly doubt that you actually understood what he said in his post.
 

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I laugh when I find something to be funny and ridiculous. Such as most of the things you say on this forum. Yeah, just ignore me then. Or stop saying ridiculous things like saying people are resurrected immediately after death and other nonsense that isn't remotely taught in scripture. It's your choice.

Also, I highly doubt that you actually understood what he said in his post.
LOL!!!
 
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Good one! Glad you have a sense of humor.
Yeah I’m not a jerk contrary to popular opinion but I also posted that for a reason. I sent you a message and you completely understood what I meant but probably no one else understood it .

The Bible is written the same way.
 

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We are still waiting.
As Jesus said, only the Father knows the day and hour of his second coming.

I think the best thing we can do is to always be ready. While serving in God's will and without fear of what is to come.
 
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Yeah I’m not a jerk contrary to popular opinion but I also posted that for a reason. I sent you a message and you completely understood what I meant but probably no one else understood it .

The Bible is written the same way.
Do people call you a jerk often? Anyway, we should just go back to not talking to each other. It works better that way. You know that I think your beliefs are ridiculous, but there's no reason for me to keep pointing that out. So, I'll take the blame for that. I just don't like putting people on my ignore list.
 
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I've felt that I've understood your posts that I've read . . .

Much love!
So, in that case, maybe you can tell me why he concludes that rewards given when Christ comes have to be temporary rather than eternal? I didn't see where he explained why that has to be the case.
 

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So, in that case, maybe you can tell me why he concludes that rewards given when Christ comes have to be temporary rather than eternal? I didn't see where he explained why that has to be the case.
Which post was that?

Much love!