The Rapture Cover-up

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Why are you saying things I never said?

Because JESUS and the Apostles emphatically said they are bound in sin/rebellion against the Gospel and CANNOT know their MESSIAH, as a nation, until.....Matt 23:37-39

and yet . . . thousands of Jews were the first believers. So maybe there is something for you to reconsider.

For pointing this out, you in a backhanded way imply I'm lying about you.

I'm already regretting responding to you, I had forgotten how quickly it gets personal . . . Anyway, I was just posting my agreement with @Timtofly .

Much love!

 

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Because JESUS and the Apostles emphatically said they are bound in sin/rebellion against the Gospel and CANNOT know their MESSIAH, as a nation, until.....Matt 23:37-39

Umm . . . Jesus did not say what you claim above, just check below. You are misquoting His words.


Matthew 23:33-39 KJV
33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35) That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Much love!

 

[Timtofly]

AGREE

Notice: JESUS gave to us the parable of the ten virgins

Notice what JESUS said thru the wise virgins: "GO BUY OIL for yourselves"

Notice it was too late for them = time had run out!!!

Sounds like it went from grace back to works. What were they too late for, grace?

If they could still show good works, that is not too late for redemption. Just too late to be part of the church.

That means the church was removed, and those "of works" were still on earth waiting for judgment.

So how is that your "end"?

Do you think both "of grace" and "of works" still work side by side on the earth, even though it said the wise were able to leave? Do you get a choice to stay anyways?

 

[David in NJ]

Do you know that God has promised to preserve His chosen nation Israel, and to save all those who remain when He returns? He warns them, be ready.

Much love!

He has preserved His Chosen Nation = the Israel of God = Galatians chapter 3 , 1 Peter 2:1-10

TWO Faithful Witnesses ATTEST to this!!!

You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,

“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
and

“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

 

[David in NJ]

Umm . . . Jesus did not say what you claim above, just check below. You are misquoting His words.


Matthew 23:33-39 KJV
33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35) That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Much love!

YEP - EXACTLY the SAME as i said!

the LORD, the Apostle Peter and the Apostle Paul AGREE that the Jewish nation on earth is Unredeemed = at present time and are in BONDAGE to SIN without any means of forgiveness under the law.

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic. For these are [g]the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

ONLY Jews & Gentiles who have been Redeemed by the Blood of Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach are SAVED and included in the Household of God.

 

[David in NJ]

Sounds like it went from grace back to works. What were they too late for, grace?

If they could still show good works, that is not too late for redemption. Just too late to be part of the church.

That means the church was removed, and those "of works" were still on earth waiting for judgment.

So how is that your "end"?

Do you think both "of grace" and "of works" still work side by side on the earth, even though it said the wise were able to leave? Do you get a choice to stay anyways?

What were they too late for, grace?

BINGO

And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’

 

[David in NJ]

and yet . . . thousands of Jews were the first believers. So maybe there is something for you to reconsider.

For pointing this out, you in a backhanded way imply I'm lying about you.

I'm already regretting responding to you, I had forgotten how quickly it gets personal . . . Anyway, I was just posting my agreement with @Timtofly .

Much love!

Your post has been reported for false accusations and continued insults.

If you cannot conduct yourself in the love of Christ when responding = DO NOT RESPOND

 

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Your post has been reported for false accusations and continued insults.

If you cannot conduct yourself in the love of Christ when responding = DO NOT RESPOND

Have you ever had occassion to go back and read your posts as if they were written to you by someone else? You may want to give that a try if you haven't yet.

Much love!

 

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YEP - EXACTLY the SAME as i said!

Perhaps you might underline the words in the passage that say what you claim.

I find those who misquote Scripture often fail to post that Scripture, and fail to point out where in the text it says what they claim. Of course, in such cases, they cannot.

So I challenge you to do so.

Much love!

 

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He has preserved His Chosen Nation =

I'm referring to ethnic Israel.

Jeremiah 31:31-37 KJV
31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

God has promised to preserve the nation of Israel. God keeps His promises.

Matthew 24:21-34 KJV
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25) Behold, I have told you before.
26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Elect = chosen, that is, the chosen nation, Israel.

This generation = the Israelites.

Jesus reiterates this promise. As does Paul, and Ezekiel, and others.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

I'm referring to ethnic Israel.

Jeremiah 31:31-37 KJV
31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

God has promised to preserve the nation of Israel. God keeps His promises.

Matthew 24:21-34 KJV
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25) Behold, I have told you before.
26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Elect = chosen, that is, the chosen nation, Israel.

This generation = the Israelites.

Jesus reiterates this promise. As does Paul, and Ezekiel, and others.

Much love!

From the beginning of my first or second post, i CLEARLY stated that (using your own word so we are on the same page) the "ethnic"
nation of Israel, according to the flesh, WILL BE RESTORED/SAVED as a nation = Matthew 23:37-39

FULLY AGREE with God's Promise to preserve the "ethnic" Jewish nation unto the Second Coming = Matthew 23:37-39
As a matter of fact they are in my household and others are my very close neighbors who come to my house almost daily.

God's Plan of Salvation for Jew & Gentile is the GOSPEL.

AGREE or DISAGREE

 

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From the beginning of my first or second post, i CLEARLY stated that (using your own word so we are on the same page) the "ethnic"
nation of Israel, according to the flesh, WILL BE RESTORED/SAVED as a nation = Matthew 23:37-39

FULLY AGREE with God's Promise to preserve the "ethnic" Jewish nation unto the Second Coming = Matthew 23:37-39
As a matter of fact they are in my household and are my very close neighbors who come to my house almost daily.

God's Plan of Salvation for Jew & Gentile is the GOSPEL.

AGREE or DISAGREE

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Did God cast away His people? That is, His chosen nation, Israel? No, declares Paul, citing himself as evidence.

Romans 11:25 KJV
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Romans 11:2-5 KJV
2) God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3) Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4) But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Much love!

 

[IndianaRob]

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Did God cast away His people? That is, His chosen nation, Israel? No, declares Paul, citing himself as evidence.

Romans 11:25 KJV
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Romans 11:2-5 KJV
2) God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3) Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4) But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Much love!

Umm Paul is saying exactly the opposite of what you said in Roman 11:1.

Paul is saying that just because God was done with the nation of Israel FOREVER, the nation who WERE NEVER God’s chosen people, he was not done with his chosen people just because they were Jews.

 

[David in NJ]

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Did God cast away His people? That is, His chosen nation, Israel? No, declares Paul, citing himself as evidence.

Romans 11:25 KJV
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Romans 11:2-5 KJV
2) God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3) Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4) But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Much love!

i LOVE Romans, especially chapters 9-11

Chapter 11 CONFIRMS the Prophecy of our Lord Jesus Christ which HE gave to the ethnic nation Israel = Matt 23:37-39

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

 

[David in NJ]

I'm referring to ethnic Israel.

Jeremiah 31:31-37 KJV
31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

God has promised to preserve the nation of Israel. God keeps His promises.

Matthew 24:21-34 KJV
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25) Behold, I have told you before.
26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Elect = chosen, that is, the chosen nation, Israel.

This generation = the Israelites.

Jesus reiterates this promise. As does Paul, and Ezekiel, and others.

Much love!

i responded to your post in 431

AGREE or DISAGREE with content of post 431 ?

 

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the nation who WERE NEVER God’s chosen people,

Deuteronomy 7:6-8 KJV
6) For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Much love!

 

[IndianaRob]

Deuteronomy 7:6-8 KJV
6) For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Much love!

Who are those holy special people?

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

 

[Timtofly]

paraphrase???

John 11:25-26 is a DIRECT quote from the Mouth of God

Here it is again:
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.
Do you (@Timtofly) believe this?”

Yes, Paraphrase. Some translations are not translations, but paraphrases of the Greek text. Can you not see the difference?

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

The KJV reads: though he were dead.

Your paraphrase reads: "though he may die"

"Though he were dead" could be interpreted as though he were spiritually dead in sin, yet shall he live.

"Though he may die" can only be interpreted as a physical death. One is already spiritually dead.

Besides the fact those verses contradict each other. One says you may die, the other says you won't die, so which is it?

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
Matthew 22:29-32

I agree that those currently in heaven are physically alive. God is not the God of those physically dead.

The OT redeemed were resurrected at the Cross. They are no longer physically dead.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, Paraphrase. Some translations are not translations, but paraphrases of the Greek text. Can you not see the difference?

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

The KJV reads: though he were dead.

Your paraphrase reads: "though he may die"

"Though he were dead" could be interpreted as though he were spiritually dead in sin, yet shall he live.

"Though he may die" can only be interpreted as a physical death. One is already spiritually dead.

Besides the fact those verses contradict each other. One says you may die, the other says you won't die, so which is it?

One says you may die, the other says you won't die, so which is it?

SIMPLE - just follow the detailed account of the physical death of Lazarus = John 11:1-14

Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. 2It was that Mary who anointed the Lord with fragrant oil and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick. 3Therefore the sisters sent to Him, saying, “Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick.”

4When Jesus heard that, He said, “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”

5Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6So, when He heard that he was sick, He stayed two more days in the place where He was. 7Then after this He said to the disciples, “Let us go to Judea again.”

8The disciples said to Him, “Rabbi, lately the Jews sought to stone You, and are You going there again?”

9Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” 11These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.”

12Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.”
13However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.
14Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.
15And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless let us go to him.”