Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

But not equally!

What do you mean by "not equally"? Are you trying to say that because there aren't as many* women in those jobs you listed as there are men in those jobs that somehow that MEANS something? Of the 15+ million people in manufacturing, 30% of women make up that workforce. It may not be 'equal' YET, but 30% is significant. And in textile manufacturing, the figures are between 60 to almost 80% staffed by women.

Yes. I make gaskets for the space industry as well as many industrial-commerical applications, like high end machinery. See Space Shuttle Challenger.

So, your not an oil rigger, plumber, construction worker, policeman, or in the infantry because....?

 

[Mink57]

I wasnt blind sided. I saw it unfold as it was happening. But this was my wife and I love her. So I payed lots of attention to her...even when I wasnt, I was paying attention. She stopped talking (saying real information that's pertinant). You cant listen to a woman anyway. Watch her. Actions speak 100X louder than words. What is she doing? Eh?

Interesting. When I told my late husband I was leaving him, he acted SHOCKED. Said, "I thought we were working on our relationship!" Then it was MY turn to be shocked. We HARDLY spoke for over a year, ate meals separately, no sex, no counseling...since when is all of that and then some an indication that we're "working" on our relationship?

You're right. As long as my voice is raised, I'm still 'in'. It's when I STOP using that voice, I'm DONE.

Including this time. It's her problem, materialism. My dumb self prolly pretty much caused it, but she chose to walk into it.

Probably not. That millionaire boyfriend may have given her a wake-up call she needed, or maybe she got a wake-up call from YOU when you didn't take her back.

 

[Mink57]

Errrrrrnnnt! Wrong. What kind of woman is that? A single woman.

No, not wrong. Plenty of men out there who SEEK a woman like that.

Trying to micromanage is a mistake, that worked against him. People have to be able to flex themselves and think on their feet.

Plus, it wasn't even benevolent micromanaging. More like a dictator. You're right. HIS mistake.

Lol!! Me too. I never did want to be a millionaire. I saw two things happening around me. I saw on TV as a kid plenty of millionaires going bankrupt and stuff, so I concluded that Millionaires have money problems too, but when they have them, they are usually in the process of losing it all. My poor man survival skills and skill to work fed us all just fine.

With the kind of job I'm doing right now, IF I succeed, I will get a lot of money. But the money isn't for me, it's for my kids so I can leave them SOMETHING when I exit this life. I don't want them to struggle like I had to.

And the other thing was, people having relationship problems. Girls seemed to have too big complaints about men. Either, he's a bum and wont get a job, or, he makes good money but he's never home, so I got bored and cheated on him...

LOL!! That seems to sum it up for quite a number of women! While both my husbands made WHAT I CONSIDERED to be 'decent' money, neither of them were in 6-digits. Not even close. But I didn't cheat. My late husband did

Man secret. Men have two great aspirations in life. To leave a good name in their family, and to have a good name in their work. When you put too much attention to either one, the other suffers. So it needs to be balanced. And that worked great for me especially when I went into business. I had worked at all sorts of companies before going into business for myself. Big companies and small companies. And I stood with the men in the back and watched them carry the mans property out the door. (I see nothing, I'm here to work and make money alone). Big companies especially. About 5 or 6 men seems yo be the limit in staff vs losing to the men by not being able to keep up with everything, too big in other words. That plus not wanting to be a millionaire in my business. When it came time to hire someone and put another truck on the road, most of the time I simply raised the prices instead. That slowed down the work flow and gave me more free time to spend with the family. Even though at one point I had 3 trucks on the road and 2 extra men also, for a full two years, I carried two whole familes, three with mine. Christmas bonuses and Birthdays included because they were personal family and close friends.

I figured that Let the men go do more of the work to free up more of my time for her and the family! good idea, right? I thought so. You know what happened? (Lol!)

She caught on real quick and said why dont you work more? I said, Steve's doing that job. Well you should you have done it so we could save the money....
Cant win for losing! Balance...Lol

(we was rolling in work and cash at that time too!). Are women never satidfied? Never content? Geez.

Some women aren't. Some men aren't, too.

Well, there's more details I havent spoken of yet.When she said she def wants a divorce I wanted to be fair with her, but not to open myself up to all sorts of future drama. So I said, ok, I'll be fair with you and you be fair with me. You can have everything you want in the house (A rental house), furniture, everything, except for my clothes, tools and guns. BUT! You have to take it in one trip to the house. She agreed immediately. I've say other peoples ex's come to their house and it's like they go shopping He bought something new, I like that, I want it! I did not want that. And you know women. Unorganized and spur of the moment.

Hey! LOL!! We're not ALL like that! I've always been a "planner", even committing my plans into writing. I'm pretty anal when it comes that.

She wasnt prepared when she came for the house stuff. No help, not even a U-haul. So she took all the most valuable items out of the house, and stole some from me...??...ad didnt take any of the family pictures! Not enough room I guess, lol. The gold was in the way lol. Had to save room for the gold!
The ironic thing is when she eft Colorado with her ill gotten gain...she got Karma as soon as she crossed the Colorado State line! Another vehicle rear ended her and totaled her ride! I got a chuckle out of that.

Karma...can be a (...rhymes with "pitch")

But back in the day in 1985 when she asked for water, she was totally not American in any way. She was for real. And was something I had never seen before! But after being 26 years with me, she grew well americanized which is say, Materialistic. With idiot Ed feeding her materialism. I didnt care about the money, literally. It was a means to an end. In the beginning when she was of a humble spirit, I sympathized with her and wanted to lift her up. I overdid it. Even not cheating on her didnt stop her. She was older then and knew Engish good now and confident in herself. So...she was gone.

She did try to come back for more stuff later on. That was a good laugh too!

I've heard horror stories like this before, and it seems to pan out the same way. Man tires of Western Women...seeks a 'bride' overseas...at first she's humble...but then she starts getting used to the lifestyle to the point of seeing OTHER'S lifestyles. She starts to want...and want...and want...never satisfied...bottomless pit...

Makes me wonder what kind of stories the people overseas hear about Americans. That we're all 'rich'? We all have money? Do the mother's over there teach their daughters, "Find an American man and you'll be set for LIFE!"?

The things that make you go, "Hmmmm..."

 

[Wynona]

Glad to see the thread still lively. My husband, roommate, and I have all been working really hard to unpack.

I love unpacking way more than packing. This place is lovely. I feel like I get to show off all my homemaking skills that I learned over the years. We may have lived in a dingy trailer, but I learned to keep it clean and be grateful.

We didn't have to live that modestly. My husband felt led to lead his parents out of constant financial crisis mode. Two years later, it seems like things are getting better.

 

[Wrangler]

YOU are the one who is angry, Wrangler. Angry that SOME women can do what you THINK ONLY a man should do.

I missed this somehow. And no. You seem simply unwilling to grasp the argument. It's what woman "can do" in theory; it's their not taking responsibility, in practice.

 

[Jay Ross]

God said this to Solomon: - 2 Chron 7:13ff: When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people . . . .

One form of the many entities of locusts is "feminism." There are many types of Locusts that plague our land.

I believe that the solution is given in the verses that follow verse 13 above.

 

[Mink57]

I missed this somehow. And no. You seem simply unwilling to grasp the argument. It's what woman "can do" in theory; it's their not taking responsibility, in practice.

Responsibility for WHAT?

 

[Wrangler]

What do you mean by "not equally"?

Huh? Check a dictionary.

If a man paid his child support - but only 2% - frninists would not be asking What do you mean by "not equally" living up to responsibility.

 

[Wrangler]

Are you trying to say that because there aren't as many* women in those jobs you listed as there are men in those jobs that somehow that MEANS something?

Yup. 100%. Want equality? Then go be equal 50-50.

Feminist like to contribute 2% and claim equality. Thanks feminism.

 

[Wrangler]

So, your not an oil rigger, plumber, construction worker, policeman, or in the infantry because....?

Because I make gaskets for the space industry. Do you like GPS? Gaskets for auto industry. Do you like automobiles to get around? Point is feminists take no responsibility for EQUALLY supporting the infrastructure necessary to keep society going.

 

[Wrangler]

Responsibility for WHAT?

Over and over and over again this has been addressed. We were specifically talking about the responsibility for EQUALLY working to support the infrastructure of society, jobs that if not done, the gears of commerce and our civilization would shut down. Then several categories were presented. You claim women occupy 30% of one sector but it is less than 10% overall.

By way of comparison, I presented the feminist likely reaction of accepting EQUALITY of a man paying less than 10% of the child support. This reveals that there is no grace when men don't EQUALLY live up to their responsibility. When applied to women living up to their own EQUALITY standards, that's different.

Feminists seek no EQUALITY in the areas of RESPONSIBILITY and RISK. Well over 90% of people killed on the job are men. 100% of the firefighters who died on 9/11 were men. Want equality? Go be equal!

In the landmark decision of Roe v Wade, the feminists fought for UNEQUAL reproductive rights. So, this failure to live by the code feminists claim to stand for, EQUALITY, not only is abandoned in vocations that matter to keep society running, this irresponsible characteristic applies to freedom to choose as well. Now that decision has been over-turned and returned to the States. The sexist feminists continue to push for UNEQUAL reproductive rights - in all 50 States.

The evil ideology of feminism teaches women to covet power and prestige jobs, like government and business leaders while revealing a complete lack of commitment to RESPONSIBILITY and RISK to maintain society. Feminists seek equality of benefit, not equality of work, risk or punishment. 10 of 11 prisoners in the US are men. 9 out of 10 homeless are men. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angrily demanding equality in all these areas and ending this blatant sexism? Used to be, "equal pay for equal work" was the mantra; 3rd wave feminism now just wants equal pay (for unequal work). One sided equality is no equality at all.

Feminism is evil, appeals to a women's vulnerability to the sin of coveting and produces female privilege, an overwhelming sense of entitlement without responsibility. Imagine a movement that encouraged men to kill babies with no legal jeopardy or even public shaming? It's just as evil when women do it.

 

[Wrangler]

Glad to see the thread still lively. My husband, roommate, and I have all been working really hard to unpack.

I love unpacking way more than packing. This place is lovely. I feel like I get to show off all my homemaking skills that I learned over the years. We may have lived in a dingy trailer, but I learned to keep it clean and be grateful.

We didn't have to live that modestly. My husband felt led to lead his parents out of constant financial crisis mode. Two years later, it seems like things are getting better.

I admire your husband's call for frugality and your grace in accepting the gift of financial security. I highly recommend the book, The Richest Man in Babylon. It is very short book that delves into the practical meaning of living below your means. Chapter after chapter the author explores the realization that living with a 10% cushion means you have to take into account all the bumps in the road because he kept having to dig into his supposed cushion.

By the end of the book, the main character realizes he has to live at 50% of his income to ensure that the upper limit of spending never exceeds 90% of his income. My wife is a spender and always lives paycheck to paycheck. Recently, she called me at work in a panic when the vacuum died. The reason for her panic is she was spending the cushion of 3 months expenses (that I gave her) and had nothing left for this predictable eventuality. I say "predictable eventuality" because it is not properly even a crisis.

A very overlooked expense the book explores is MAINTENANCE costs. General rules of thumb include 2% of the value of the house and 10% of the monthly car payment. (I pay cash for my cars but still estimate what a monthly payment would be and save that each month knowing it is coming one of these days in addition to saving for my next car). My tenant who just moved out borrowed my car the week before Christmas at lunch time as we work together. He ended up totaling the car. Although not a very nice Christmas present, I was at least comforted by the fact that I had anticipated this eventuality over the 15 years I drove my previous car. (The car before that one was also driven for 15 years.)

So, my poor wife struggles to recognize money saved must be allocated for these very predictable maintenance costs not spent frivolously. Just yesterday she bought seat cushions for the dining room chairs. No matter how many times I tell her to leave all but necessary household expenses she's paying for to me, she constantly makes such impulse buys for things we often don't need and I don't want. Another great example is when she bought the trendy Keurig coffee maker for one cup. This is the biggest joke in the world because she drinks a pot herself every day. Total waste given her usage. She did use it a few times for the novelty but not since she first got it.

A few months before, she was in an abject panic when her car needed "unexpected" maintenance. The money for the seat cushions, Keurig (+1,000 other things) need to be set aside for the next vacuum cleaner, the next car maintenance bill, the next plumbing, electrical or health care expense. Don't be like my wife, the poorest woman in Babylon, living way above her means. (At least she does not have credit card debt.) The book convincingly explains we have far more control over our spending than we do over our income. I bet your husband would like the book.

 

[Wynona]

I admire your husband's call for frugality and your grace in accepting the gift of financial security. I highly recommend the book, The Richest Man in Babylon. It is very short book that delves into the practical meaning of living below your means. Chapter after chapter the author explores the realization that living with a 10% cushion means you have to take into account all the bumps in the road because he kept having to dig into his supposed cushion.

By the end of the book, the main character realizes he has to live at 50% of his income to ensure that the upper limit of spending never exceeds 90% of his income. My wife is a spender and always lives paycheck to paycheck. Recently, she called me at work in a panic when the vacuum died. The reason for her panic is she was spending the cushion of 3 months expenses (that I gave her) and had nothing left for this predictable eventuality. I say "predictable eventuality" because it is not properly even a crisis.

A very overlooked expense the book explores is MAINTENANCE costs. General rules of thumb include 2% of the value of the house and 10% of the monthly car payment. (I pay cash for my cars but still estimate what a monthly payment would be and save that each month knowing it is coming one of these days in addition to saving for my next car). My tenant who just moved out borrowed my car the week before Christmas at lunch time as we work together. He ended up totaling the car. Although not a very nice Christmas present, I was at least comforted by the fact that I had anticipated this eventuality over the 15 years I drove my previous car. (The car before that one was also driven for 15 years.)

So, my poor wife struggles to recognize money saved must be allocated for these very predictable maintenance costs not spent frivolously. Just yesterday she bought seat cushions for the dining room chairs. No matter how many times I tell her to leave all but necessary household expenses she's paying for to me, she constantly makes such impulse buys for things we often don't need and I don't want. Another great example is when she bought the trendy Keurig coffee maker for one cup. This is the biggest joke in the world because she drinks a pot herself every day. Total waste given her usage. She did use it a few times for the novelty but not since she first got it.

A few months before, she was in an abject panic when her car needed "unexpected" maintenance. The money for the seat cushions, Keurig (+1,000 other things) need to be set aside for the next vacuum cleaner, the next car maintenance bill, the next plumbing, electrical or health care expense. Don't be like my wife, the poorest woman in Babylon, living way above her means. (At least she does not have credit card debt.) The book convincingly explains we have far more control over our spending than we do over our income. I bet your husband would like the book.

What's interesting is that my father-in-law also recommends the book. Will have to pick it up.

I grew up rather priveliged and everything was taken care of for me. I did not realize the skill and hardship that went into just surviving.

However, when we switched to one income, we were sharing a car. My husband switched from part time security guard work, to cab driving, to getting a commercial drivers license and tripling his income. The cab driving was the income I started with and it paid....

I began to learn to buy secondhand, budget grocery shop, cook at home more, be at home more, and still give some away. I still had a lot of fun trying hosting and new recipes despite how little money their was after bills.

My husband saw all this and approved big time because I was relaxed and happier.

I believe the biggest way to help us is to live within our means. But I have no issue with married women making money. Some homemakers are great at bringing in income while still prioritizing their husbands and children through small businesses or homesteads.

That is my ultimate goal. The Proverbs 31 woman got so good at preparing her household for the seasons that she sold extra and made a profit. Would like to be similar.

An advantage that single income households have that is often overlook is that one person can actually focus all their energy on getting their income higher.

 

[Wynona]

@Wrangler

I should add, in a single income household, one person can focus on work without sacrificing the marriage.

At one point, I made more money than my husband but it definitely hurt the marriage and we both hated that. I never was satisfied with the way he did chores and felt taken advantage of, despite him doing part time work to let me work the hours at my job.

 

[Wynona]

The greatest earthly benefit I see from modeling my life after Genesis 2, Proverbs 31, Ephesians 5, and Titus 2

is the confidence my husband carries himself with now. Having to lead us made him very competent at life skills and God quickly called him to lead even his parents who needed financial guidance.

He was an insecure rageful teen. But now his parents look to him for advice. He was the young man many girls rejected.

Now women attempt to throw themselves at him, failing hilariously. Sometimes he doesn't even notice. But they are drawn to his confidence and unchecked boldness.

God told me not to "check" him. Not to reign in his bluntness. I trusted God. God refined it all.

 

[Wrangler]

Responsibility for WHAT?

EXACTLY! With freedom comes responsibility.

With feminism, there is freedom without responsibility, which is why it is evil! To use your lingo, it is freedom for SOME without responsibility. This is a "free lunch," which there is no such thing. It means that for OTHERS, there is responsibility without freedom.

Perfect examples:

1. The lack of equality of reproductive rights for men.
2. The lack of equality of the "believe her" movement.
3. The lack of equality of men only having to register for selective service.
4. The lack of equality in JPC (Joint Physical Custody) being the default parenting plan of divorced parents.
5. The lack of equality of special sexual assault courts in SOME countries that are guilt by accusation.
6. The lack of equality of men dying before women but more money is spent on women only diseases.
7. The lack of equality of men being net tax payers but women being net tax beneficiaries.
8. The lack of equality of sexist laws, like dowry right States and women and children first on life boats.
9. The lack of equality in >90% job deaths being men.
10. The lack of equality of >90% of men doing the dirty work to keep society's infrastructure going.

The list goes on and on and on exposing female privilege, no responsibility. A Competitive Feminist asks. A MRA answers.

 

[Wynona]

The lack of equality of men dying before women but more money is spent on women only diseases.

Nice list. In all likelihood, I will live to lose my husband. He is literally giving his life force to give me and our children easier lives.

He does not want an easy life. He craves purpose. I'm glad we at least give him that in exchange.

 

[Wrangler]

At one point, I made more money than my husband but it definitely hurt the marriage and we both hated that.

Interesting. Can you elaborate on how it hurt the marriage?

 

[Mink57]

Because I make gaskets for the space industry. Do you like GPS? Gaskets for auto industry. Do you like automobiles to get around? Point is feminists take no responsibility for EQUALLY supporting the infrastructure necessary to keep society going.

EXACTLY! With freedom comes responsibility.

With feminism, there is freedom without responsibility, which is why it is evil! To use your lingo, it is freedom for SOME without responsibility. This is a "free lunch," which there is no such thing. It means that for OTHERS, there is responsibility without freedom.

Perfect examples:

1. The lack of equality of reproductive rights for men.
2. The lack of equality of the "believe her" movement.
3. The lack of equality of men only having to register for selective service.
4. The lack of equality in JPC (Joint Physical Custody) being the default parenting plan of divorced parents.
5. The lack of equality of special sexual assault courts in SOME countries that are guilt by accusation.
6. The lack of equality of men dying before women but more money is spent on women only diseases.
7. The lack of equality of men being net tax payers but women being net tax beneficiaries.
8. The lack of equality of sexist laws, like dowry right States and women and children first on life boats.
9. The lack of equality in >90% job deaths being men.
10. The lack of equality of >90% of men doing the dirty work to keep society's infrastructure going.

The list goes on and on and on exposing female privilege, no responsibility. A Competitive Feminist asks. A MRA answers.

Cute list. Now, take Feminism out of the equation and guess what...
YOU'D STILL BE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS. Know why? Because maybe PATRIARCHY ISN'T ALL IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE.

 

[Wynona]

Interesting. Can you elaborate on how it hurt the marriage?

I don't get the same fulfillment out of paying bills and sacrificing financially for the house as my husband does. It made me feel taken advantage of despite it being an agreement. It's a bit hard to explain but my conclusion is that wives make resentful breadwinners most of the time.

Having my paycheck just absorb into bills made work seem pointless. I could have pushed and made a lot more with my computer associates and certifications...but I was not going to literally keep my sanity that long.

Thats the other thing. Mental health issues surfaced in my higher education and work years that have not resurfaced since.
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