Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[MA2444]

Of COURSE we ALL like compliments! I really don't think that women compliment men enough. BUT...
by the same token, sometimes when we (men AND women) compliment each other, it goes straight to our heads.

Yep. I gave my exwife too many compliments and it did go to her head. Next time (if), she will get cmpliments sometimes but not every time.

 

[Wrangler]

That is MESSED UP. It doesn't mirror Toxic Masculinity AS IT SHOULD!!! If Toxic Masculinity is defined by "misogyny, homophobia, and violent domination", wouldn't Toxic Femininity be defined as "Misandry, homophobia and violent domination?"

Thank you!

BTW, you find the same double standard regarding racial pride. Every race can be proud of their heritage except one. In that case, it’s tied to supremacy and hate at the definition level.

We are seeing 1984 played out. TPTB continue to oppress how we think. The ways are subtle but there to see when carefully examined.

I’m proud of you for seeing the glitch in the Matrix. Before long, you’ll be asking about what it means to take the red pill.

 

[MA2444]

Of COURSE "she" does! But there are compliments and 'compliments'. You've probably heard about "love-bombing" before. Compliment after compliment after compliment...to the point of ad nauseum! And love-bombing is often a pre-cursor to abuse.

Never heard of a love bomb but I think I know what you mean. I heard somewhere that you should show your spouse a some real love towards her every day...

SO I thought, if a drop makes her feel good, then how would she react to being sloshed with a 5 gallon bucketful every day...

And it turned out like you said. She didnt like it or appreciate it.

Sounds like a DECENT relationship. One that worked well, like a well-oiled machine. Siiiigh. If ONLY...
Late husband and I didn't have a business, but worked together for a short time. He wanted to be "The Boss". Stood back and let me do EVERYTHING, while issuing orders. Uhhhhh, no.

But it seems like you respected her "contribution" as important. It wasn't "lesser than" your own.

Maybe the problem with feminism is the whole idea of "equality" when they should be seeking the same recognition for "equivalent"?

So you wanted to be the boss. You have difficulty receiving instruction from a man. (And they let you on the council?!)



I sure did respect her contribution. Everything she touched turned to gold. So we had a good partnership in running the business together. But there were times that we had disagreements. SOmetimes I would try her idea and other times I would say, no let's go ahead and do it this way instead. And she would! There was her respectability. Not in being able to be the boss.

We're trying to run a business here so why start politicing to me when we're simply looking for the best solution to the problem? That's no help.

The woman in the marriage should not be seeking the same recognition that the man gets. Who does she think she is?!When women say "equality with men" nowadays, this is really code talk for "superior to men" Where she does ot hve to take instruction from a mere man and she is her own Boss!
What kind of woman is that?!

What happened? You seem to 'have it all'. Is it possible that although you fault ME for missing the 'red flags', could YOU have missed a few too?

I didnt miss any red flags with her. The moment she raised the forst red flag, I knew it would be over soon. I remember when it started. Women come and women go. Nothing a man can do abut that. You can't tie her up in the basement, lol.

What happened is that by me spoiling her with more money than she knew what to do with and over complimenting her, she got Americanized. She turned materialistic and liked spending moneyand then when the economy started slowing down and it dropped below 6 figures, that scared her into thinking life was going away from her. Because even when the economy was slowing, we still had all the overhead. SO any money shortages were directly from her personal money, lol. And she din like that.
I thought I was safe because, good times bad times, richer or poorer and all that But she already knew how to live on nothing because of where she grew up. And when she very first turned 40 and was still very hot for her age...she remembered how fast the last 10 years went and she saw 50 coming up, where she would hit the wall hard and not be marketable to other men. Men want young pretty girls, right? So she cut and run to florida where...she had her plans to marry a millionaire! (Wow!) (and she almost did! Some lawyer guy that owned a 7 million dollar home!)

When she left and got to florida she got al comfortable and was well received down there, then she called me up and said, I'm not coming back home. He can take better care of me than you can and I'm tired of being broke...Uh, ok.
But I had sabotaged her and didnt even know it at first. The same pedestal that I put her up on...(my mistake!)...is what made her feel like she was more than she was, so she had the big head and wrote the Lawyer an email Demanding that he marry her, after all, have I not given you my all?! And mr millionaire showed her the door! Lol.

He forwarded her email to me so I got to read it. (I doubt she even knows that!) And she shouldnt have got the big head because it was her downfall...my mistake for making her feel like she was more than she was. (But in our very first place together, She was so humble in spirit. She would ask if she could have a drink of water....and I'm like, this is your house babe. You dont have to ask! So I immediately began lifting her up.
I went too far and sabotaged both me and her. (Idiot!)

When I learned my wife was walking out, it hit me hard. We had been close and had a great family. The only thing I could do to stop mysef from going insane and acting the weirdo was to tun it into a learning experience for myself.

And I figured it out for myself. It was my fault. Sure, I cant be all bad if she stayed for 26 years, but...wouldnt she still be here if I was that good of a guy? I showered her with way too much money and too many compliments. Put her up on a pedestal instead of squarely beside me as it should have been. Oh she liked the money when it was good. But when it fell below 6 figures she still wanted to keep up the same lifestyle, and the money wasnt there. She got americanized and chased the dream instead of staying grounded in reality. And it sort of backfired on her, lol.
No millionaire. Instead a disabled retired cop. Lol! I dont know to many millionaire cops, lol. She's still working now I heard. He's disabled so she pays all the bills I think? He dont work.

She wanted to come back to me after the miionaire ousted her. She only had three conditions...(Lol). She wanted me to take out a big loan and throw a huge wedding with lots of pictures...And, fly her two nurse hoe girlfriends that taught her how to cheat in fla round trip so they could attend the wedding...And, buy her a BMW...

I couldnt believe she even said that. I knew immediately that I could never het back with her now. She may as well have said I get to set up my throne in the LR again. And that couldnt happen.

WHy was she so stupid? She should have boo hooed a little bit and been telling me I still lve you and stuff like tht. I may have taken her back (men are stupid like that sometimes). And then if the wife needed a car, we'll get her a car, big deal. Oh you want a BMW this time? Ok. But noooo! She wasnt that bright and tried to make it some sort of deal. (Like I was desperate or something? Lol!) Besides, the trust was gone. I'd feel like she would remarry me and bide her time until she got ready to go again and screw me over royally this time. And I was having none of that. I told her to leave me alone and hung up.
That's the short version of what happened. Lol.

 

[MA2444]

Eh. I wouldn't go THAT far. I once flipped over the kitchen table, while my late ex husband was standing on the other side of the room. He told people that I "threw" the kitchen table at him...like I could pick up a 6X8 hardwood kitchen table at 125 lbs, and THROW it 15feet...

Well uh, in a way you did throw it at him, lol. In your mind you did. That was the message.
Ok maybe he made it sound worse than it was, but that dont mean that you werent there in your mind.

So men can add 2+2 and get 4. That's all. (You abused him! Lol!!)

 

[Webers_Home]

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● Matt 5:31-32 . . It has been said: Anyone who divorces his wife must give
her a certificate of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife,
except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and
anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

For a while here @ home in the USA, youngster's were getting married on an
experimental basis via so-called starter marriages with the expectation that
their first marriages will probably fail.

That may be a reasonable practice in the minds of progressive women but
Christian women cannot be doing that because in the mind of God; serial
marriages are little more than legalized promiscuity, i.e. whoredom.
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[Mink57]

Thank you!

BTW, you find the same double standard regarding racial pride. Every race can be proud of their heritage except one. In that case, it’s tied to supremacy and hate at the definition level.

We are seeing 1984 played out. TPTB continue to oppress how we think. The ways are subtle but there to see when carefully examined.

I’m proud of you for seeing the glitch in the Matrix. Before long, you’ll be asking about what it means to take the red pill.

Oh, I GET the hypocrisy. I don't like it.
And I don't "do" "pills".

 

[Wrangler]

Did you ever sleep with a woman and NOT marry her?

Feminists are trapped by THE PERVERSION OF EQUALITY thinking. Hence, the anti-slut shaming campaign. They incorrectly think if a guy can do it, why can't I? There are several reasons.

1. Women get pregnant, not men. (Don't even get me started on the whole a man has to pay child support oppression of men! Nothing says equality like only women's reproductive rights are recognized).

2. Women are judged by feminine standards; Men are judged by masculine standards. A whore is indicative of a woman with low virtue. A man who has game is indicative of a high value man of virtue. Why? Because women choose, men compete. For a number of women to choose to sleep with a given man, he must have something going for him ... wait for it ... wait for it ... other than his manhood. For a man to sleep with a women, she pretty much just needs female body parts and not be hideously obese.

3. Pair bonding is a thing and studies show a woman whoring around becomes incapable of pair bonding. This is not the case with men. Did you watch the vid I pasted a week ago about women hitting the wall? One woman in her 50's wondered if she is even capable of bonding with a man.

I know that I am not directly answering your question. However, if you re-read my recent post about education being a red flag, I did refer to myself as a Chad. One chic (who I affectionately called, "the psycho") said the mansion I lived in was a panty dropper. What does that tell you of her assessment of her fellow women?

I learned that whores today do not think of themselves as whores if they don't sleep with a man on the 1st date. I had my fair share of second dates. A man in his 20's observed that today, almost ALL women are whores (in America). Thanks evil feminist ideology.

One friend recently got divorced and he had high standards for the next woman in his life -- too high. I suggested he lower his standards from "Miss Right" to "Miss Right Now" and that heperform a valuable community service by giving all these 304's the attention they so desperately crave. He laughed at that one. "Perform a valuable community service" became a line guarenteed to put a smile on his face during the darker moments of his post divorce transition.

I hope this answers your question. LOL

 

[Wrangler]

Yes, we are created in God's image. Male and Female. Somehow, I don't believe that God looks at the Female part of His "image" and thinks it's inferior to the Male part.

I never said anything like this.

 

[Wrangler]

Both men AND women were given dominion over all the animals.

What Bible are you reading?

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion

NOTE: Or the man; Hebrew reads ha-adam.

Some translations like to read into the text it referring to humanity. However, this is inconsistent with the curse in Chapter 3. Woman's curse was limited to labor pains. Men's curse was working the field. Who would be in the field with the animals to establish dominion over? Can you cite a single verse in all of Scripture that indicated that women were shepherding sheep or other livestock?

 

[Wrangler]

I'm SURE Jesus wouldn't agree with you.

Jesus knows what I am saying is true and explains why his 2nd Coming will be violent magnus opus.

 

[Wrangler]

Seriously?? You really think it's "safe" for women these days?

Yes. If it weren't truly safe, women would truly return to the shelter.

 

[Wrangler]

Women ARE in

But not equally!

Are YOU in any of those jobs, Wrangler?

Yes. I make gaskets for the space industry as well as many industrial-commerical applications, like high end machinery. See Space Shuttle Challenger.

 

[Wrangler]

It's not "irrelevant" to a feminism discussion

LOL Mink, you're so desperate to attempt to make exceptions the rule. So many of your posts are dominated by this error in consciousness.

(A philosophy friend pointed out the purpose of consciousness is to integrate and differentiate reality).

 

[Wrangler]

Maybe the problem with feminism is the whole idea of "equality"

You got it!

Aristotle noted in 380 BC that the greatest inequality is to hold unequal things as equal.

Equality is anti-American. It's origins rest in communism. An unsuspecting American populace is confused by the deliberate substitution of equal rights with equality.

 

[Mink57]

Never heard of a love bomb but I think I know what you mean. I heard somewhere that you should show your spouse a some real love towards her every day...

SO I thought, if a drop makes her feel good, then how would she react to being sloshed with a 5 gallon bucketful every day...

And it turned out like you said. She didnt like it or appreciate it.

IF Love-bombing happens, it usually happens in the beginning of a new relationship. Flowers, presents, compliments, talk about the future together...all with the goal of the 'bomber's' intention to get someone under their control. It feels good at first, but after a few times of hearing the same thing, it starts to feel insincere and UGLY.

So you wanted to be the boss. You have difficulty receiving instruction from a man. (And they let you on the council?!)

LOL! No, I didn't want to be the "boss", and he wasn't issuing "instructions." He was issuing demands. Micromanaging. Had plenty of male bosses before at work. No problem with them. Well...no problem with MOST of them.

I sure did respect her contribution. Everything she touched turned to gold. So we had a good partnership in running the business together. But there were times that we had disagreements. SOmetimes I would try her idea and other times I would say, no let's go ahead and do it this way instead. And she would! There was her respectability. Not in being able to be the boss.

O.k. That sounds like partnership.

We're trying to run a business here so why start politicing to me when we're simply looking for the best solution to the problem? That's no help.

The woman in the marriage should not be seeking the same recognition that the man gets. Who does she think she is?!When women say "equality with men" nowadays, this is really code talk for "superior to men" Where she does ot hve to take instruction from a mere man and she is her own Boss!
What kind of woman is that?!

The kind of woman who knows her own mind, knows what she wants and knows what she needs. Is that 'wrong'?
And WHY shouldn't a woman get recognition for what she does in marriage?

I didnt miss any red flags with her. The moment she raised the forst red flag, I knew it would be over soon. I remember when it started. Women come and women go. Nothing a man can do abut that. You can't tie her up in the basement, lol.

LOL! I'm sure a few men have tried that!

What happened is that by me spoiling her with more money than she knew what to do with and over complimenting her, she got Americanized. She turned materialistic and liked spending moneyand then when the economy started slowing down and it dropped below 6 figures, that scared her into thinking life was going away from her. Because even when the economy was slowing, we still had all the overhead. SO any money shortages were directly from her personal money, lol. And she din like that.
I thought I was safe because, good times bad times, richer or poorer and all that But she already knew how to live on nothing because of where she grew up. And when she very first turned 40 and was still very hot for her age...she remembered how fast the last 10 years went and she saw 50 coming up, where she would hit the wall hard and not be marketable to other men. Men want young pretty girls, right? So she cut and run to florida where...she had her plans to marry a millionaire! (Wow!) (and she almost did! Some lawyer guy that owned a 7 million dollar home!)

Wow! Talk about the 'grass is greener SYNDROME!' She was afraid of NOT having that kind of money. And here *I* am, afraid of HAVING that kind of money!

When she left and got to florida she got al comfortable and was well received down there, then she called me up and said, I'm not coming back home. He can take better care of me than you can and I'm tired of being broke...Uh, ok.
But I had sabotaged her and didnt even know it at first. The same pedestal that I put her up on...(my mistake!)...is what made her feel like she was more than she was, so she had the big head and wrote the Lawyer an email Demanding that he marry her, after all, have I not given you my all?! And mr millionaire showed her the door! Lol.

Whoa...

He forwarded her email to me so I got to read it. (I doubt she even knows that!) And she shouldnt have got the big head because it was her downfall...my mistake for making her feel like she was more than she was. (But in our very first place together, She was so humble in spirit. She would ask if she could have a drink of water....and I'm like, this is your house babe. You dont have to ask! So I immediately began lifting her up.
I went too far and sabotaged both me and her. (Idiot!)

How is that 'lifting her up'? Isn't it reasonable that she shouldn't have to ASK you if she could have a drink of water in her own home? Makes me wonder if she was REALLY that humble or...if was all an act?

When I learned my wife was walking out, it hit me hard. We had been close and had a great family. The only thing I could do to stop mysef from going insane and acting the weirdo was to tun it into a learning experience for myself.

Not close enough apparently! I understand that when a woman walks out, the man is often blindsided.
We chatted before about the "red flags" regarding abusive relationships. I wonder if there are red flags when it comes to someone leaving....

And I figured it out for myself. It was my fault. Sure, I cant be all bad if she stayed for 26 years, but...wouldnt she still be here if I was that good of a guy?

Sometimes it has nothing to do with YOU.

I showered her with way too much money and too many compliments. Put her up on a pedestal instead of squarely beside me as it should have been.

I would have been VERY uncomfortable on a 'pedestal'...

Oh she liked the money when it was good. But when it fell below 6 figures she still wanted to keep up the same lifestyle, and the money wasnt there. She got americanized and chased the dream instead of staying grounded in reality. And it sort of backfired on her, lol.
No millionaire. Instead a disabled retired cop. Lol! I dont know to many millionaire cops, lol. She's still working now I heard. He's disabled so she pays all the bills I think? He dont work.

Karma!

She wanted to come back to me after the miionaire ousted her. She only had three conditions...(Lol). She wanted me to take out a big loan and throw a huge wedding with lots of pictures...And, fly her two nurse hoe girlfriends that taught her how to cheat in fla round trip so they could attend the wedding...And, buy her a BMW...

WOW! Talk about a sense of entitlement!! That entitlement is bad enough when a man has it. But when a WOMAN has it, it almost seems so much more uglier.

I couldnt believe she even said that. I knew immediately that I could never het back with her now. She may as well have said I get to set up my throne in the LR again. And that couldnt happen.

Good on you!

WHy was she so stupid? She should have boo hooed a little bit and been telling me I still lve you and stuff like tht. I may have taken her back (men are stupid like that sometimes). And then if the wife needed a car, we'll get her a car, big deal. Oh you want a BMW this time? Ok. But noooo! She wasnt that bright and tried to make it some sort of deal. (Like I was desperate or something? Lol!) Besides, the trust was gone. I'd feel like she would remarry me and bide her time until she got ready to go again and screw me over royally this time. And I was having none of that. I told her to leave me alone and hung up.
That's the short version of what happened. Lol.

Ha! The short version is bad enough! But I get where you're coming from. Still don't get where SHE'S coming from...and she probably believes there's nothing wrong with her thinking.
Thanks for sharing.

 

[Mink57]

Well uh, in a way you did throw it at him, lol. In your mind you did. That was the message.
Ok maybe he made it sound worse than it was, but that dont mean that you werent there in your mind.

LOL! Not even close. I flipped it over in frustration. Was the angriest I ever got, and I wasn't angry because of something he did to ME. It was about how he was treating our youngest daughter! Believe me, if I wanted to throw anything AT him, there was plenty around in the kitchen to throw!

So men can add 2+2 and get 4. That's all. (You abused him! Lol!!)

Riiiiiiiiiight! Lol!

 

[Mink57]

What Bible are you reading?

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion

NOTE: Or the man; Hebrew reads ha-adam.

Some translations like to read into the text it referring to humanity. However, this is inconsistent with the curse in Chapter 3. Woman's curse was limited to labor pains. Men's curse was working the field. Who would be in the field with the animals to establish dominion over?

You gotta keep reading: Genesis 1:27 "God created mankind in his image; in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." God blessed them and said to them...have dominion over the fish of the sea, the bird of the air, and all the living things that crawl on the earth."

Can you cite a single verse in all of Scripture that indicated that women were shepherding sheep or other livestock?

Yes! Genesis 29:9 "Jacob was still talking with them when Rachel arrived with her father’s flock, for she was a shepherd."

Also In Exodus, Zipporah, the wife of Moses, along with her sisters were tending her father's flock.

 

[Mink57]

Yes. If it weren't truly safe, women would truly return to the shelter.

Oh pish posh!

 

[MA2444]

The kind of woman who knows her own mind, knows what she wants and knows what she needs. Is that 'wrong'?
And WHY shouldn't a woman get recognition for what she does in marriage?

Errrrrrnnnt! Wrong. What kind of woman is that? A single woman.

LOL! No, I didn't want to be the "boss", and he wasn't issuing "instructions." He was issuing demands. Micromanaging. Had plenty of male bosses before at work. No problem with them. Well...no problem with MOST of them.

Trying to micromanage is a mistake, that worked against him. People have to be able to flex themselves and think on their feet.

Wow! Talk about the 'grass is greener SYNDROME!' She was afraid of NOT having that kind of money. And here *I* am, afraid of HAVING that kind of money!

Lol!! Me too. I never did want to be a millionaire. I saw two things happening around me. I saw on TV as a kid plenty of millionaires going bankrupt and stuff, so I concluded that Millionaires have money problems too, but when they have them, they are usually in the process of losing it all. My poor man survival skills and skill to work fed us all just fine.

And the other thing was, people having relationship problems. Girls seemed to have too big complaints about men. Either, he's a bum and wont get a job, or, he makes good money but he's never home, so I got bored and cheated on him...

Man secret. Men have two great aspirations in life. To leave a good name in their family, and to have a good name in their work. When you put too much attention to either one, the other suffers. So it needs to be balanced. And that worked great for me especially when I went into business. I had worked at all sorts of companies before going into business for myself. Big companies and small companies. And I stood with the men in the back and watched them carry the mans property out the door. (I see nothing, I'm here to work and make money alone). Big companies especially. About 5 or 6 men seems yo be the limit in staff vs losing to the men by not being able to keep up with everything, too big in other words. That plus not wanting to be a millionaire in my business. When it came time to hire someone and put another truck on the road, most of the time I simply raised the prices instead. That slowed down the work flow and gave me more free time to spend with the family. Even though at one point I had 3 trucks on the road and 2 extra men also, for a full two years, I carried two whole familes, three with mine. Christmas bonuses and Birthdays included because they were personal family and close friends.

I figured that Let the men go do more of the work to free up more of my time for her and the family! good idea, right? I thought so. You know what happened? (Lol!)

She caught on real quick and said why dont you work more? I said, Steve's doing that job. Well you should you have done it so we could save the money....
Cant win for losing! Balance...Lol

(we was rolling in work and cash at that time too!). Are women never satidfied? Never content? Geez.

How is that 'lifting her up'? Isn't it reasonable that she shouldn't have to ASK you if she could have a drink of water in her own home? Makes me wonder if she was REALLY that humble or...if was all an act?

Well, there's more details I havent spoken of yet.When she said she def wants a divorce I wanted to be fair with her, but not to open myself up to all sorts of future drama. So I said, ok, I'll be fair with you and you be fair with me. You can have everything you want in the house (A rental house), furniture, everything, except for my clothes, tools and guns. BUT! You have to take it in one trip to the house. She agreed immediately. I've say other peoples ex's come to their house and it's like they go shopping He bought something new, I like that, I want it! I did not want that. And you know women. Unorganized and spur of the moment. She wasnt prepared when she came for the house stuff. No help, not even a U-haul. So she took all the most valuable items out of the house, and stole some from me...??...ad didnt take any of the family pictures! Not enough room I guess, lol. The gold was in the way lol. Had to save room for the gold!
The ironic thing is when she eft Colorado with her ill gotten gain...she got Karma as soon as she crossed the Colorado State line! Another vehicle rear ended her and totaled her ride! I got a chuckle out of that.

But back in the day in 1985 when she asked for water, she was totally not American in any way. She was for real. And was something I had never seen before! But after being 26 years with me, she grew well americanized which is say, Materialistic. With idiot Ed feeding her materialism. I didnt care about the money, literally. It was a means to an end. In the beginning when she was of a humble spirit, I sympathized with her and wanted to lift her up. I overdid it. Even not cheating on her didnt stop her. She was older then and knew Engish good now and confident in herself. So...she was gone.

She did try to come back for more stuff later on. That was a good laugh too!

 

[MA2444]

Not close enough apparently! I understand that when a woman walks out, the man is often blindsided.
We chatted before about the "red flags" regarding abusive relationships. I wonder if there are red flags when it comes to someone leaving....

I wasnt blind sided. I saw it unfold as it was happening. But this was my wife and I love her. So I payed lots of attention to her...even when I wasnt, I was paying attention. She stopped talking (saying real information that's pertinant). You cant listen to a woman anyway. Watch her. Actions speak 100X louder than words. What is she doing? Eh?

Sometimes it has nothing to do with YOU.

Including this time. It's her problem, materialism. My dumb self prolly pretty much caused it, but she chose to walk into it.