It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[IndianaRob]

Thanks Indian Arob.

You must not be a Democrat.

No I smart enough to know that Republicans and Democrats are there to take everything we hold near and dear to our hearts.

Are you voting for the proud father of the clot shot?

 

[Marty fox]

Ok. You want to call the rider on the white horse the Beast of the Earth, I'm good with it.


No, I have never wondered that. John gets a vision, and he sees a rider on a white horse going forth conquering and to conquer. He is given a stephanos crown......the symbol of the UN and is carrying a bow, the same thing that the false Messiah carries.

Its not what I want to call the rider its what the scriptures shows us it shows us that the sea beast and the antichrist are two different entities with two different purposes'.

 

[The Light]

You avoid every request (as do all your Pretrib brethren). You are all scared of the Op because it demolishes your error.

Give it a rest. Quit crying and post some facts...............without changing the scripture.

Whoops, sorry. I forget. Crying Avoidance is the only thing you got in your tool bag.

 

[IndianaRob]

The two witnesses are the Law and the Prophets that pointed and witnessed to Jesus

See what Jesus says here

The Rich Man and Lazarus​

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Jesus here predicted His death and resurrection and that He would still be rejected even after He rose.

Jesus also told us that all the Jews need to see that He is the Messiah is the Law and the Prophets and that He wouldn't be sending anyone back from the dead because they still won't believe.

I need more than that.

I’m not saying you’re wrong but how do the law and the prophets lay dead in the street for three and half days.

Also if the two witnesses are the law and the prophets then why were they taken to heaven.

Again I’m not disagreeing with you because the two witnesses are the two olive trees and the two candlestick which are most definitely pointing to the law and the prophets.

Also thanks to you and @grafted branch for bringing sanity to this thread! This is how Christian debate should be… iron sharpening iron.

 

[The Light]

No I smart enough to know that Republicans and Democrats are there to take everything we hold near and dear to our hearts.

Are you voting for the proud father of the clot shot?

LOL. That's one I haven't heard.

 

[IndianaRob]

LOL. That's one I haven't heard.

Then you need to wake up friend. Things are about to get very bad for all of us whether vaxx daddy or the camel goes into office.

 

[WPM]

Give it a rest. Quit crying and post some facts...............without changing the scripture.

Whoops, sorry. I forget. Crying Avoidance is the only thing you got in your tool bag.

LOL. More avoidance! That is the Pretrib MO.

 

[grafted branch]

I need more than that.

I’m not saying you’re wrong but how do the law and the prophets lay dead in the street for three and half days.

Also if the two witnesses are the law and the prophets then why were they taken to heaven.

Again I’m not disagreeing with you because the two witnesses are the two olive trees and the two candlestick which are most definitely pointing to the law and the prophets.

Also thanks to you and @grafted branch for bringing sanity to this thread! This is how Christian debate should be… iron sharpening iron.

I think the law and the prophets is a very good fit for the two witnesses, I think JtB may have represented the final culmination of them preparing the way for Jesus.

In Revelation 11:19 the ark is seen in heaven. The ark contained the Ten Commandments so that might fit with the law being raised up.

Nothing seems to fit good enough that I would try to debate it, so for now I just keep these things in mind.

 

[IndianaRob]

I think the law and the prophets is a very good fit for the two witnesses, I think JtB may have represented the final culmination of them preparing the way for Jesus.

In Revelation 11:19 the ark is seen in heaven. The ark contained the Ten Commandments so that might fit with the law being raised up.

Nothing seems to fit good enough that I would try to debate it, so for now I just keep these things in mind.

That’s the way I’ve arrived at everything I believe. If what I think is true is true, then it will eventually bear out with no contradictions and it will fit like a glove.

 

[Marty fox]

I need more than that.

I’m not saying you’re wrong but how do the law and the prophets lay dead in the street for three and half days.

Also if the two witnesses are the law and the prophets then why were they taken to heaven.

Again I’m not disagreeing with you because the two witnesses are the two olive trees and the two candlestick which are most definitely pointing to the law and the prophets.

Also thanks to you and @grafted branch for bringing sanity to this thread! This is how Christian debate should be… iron sharpening iron.

The two witnesses are symbolic of the Law and the Prophets which point and witness to Jesus.

They also mirror Jesus' life and are killed in the great city where Jesus was killed left for three days and then rise and go to heaven.

 

[The Light]

Then you need to wake up friend. Things are about to get very bad for all of us whether vaxx daddy or the camel goes into office.

Oh not only am I awake, but I am watching and ready as the Lord instructed.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

How about you Indian aRob?

 

[IndianaRob]

Oh not only am I awake, but I am watching and ready as the Lord instructed.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

How about you Indian aRob?

Oh yes I’m ready I’m in the secret place.

 

[MA2444]

Oh not only am I awake, but I am watching and ready as the Lord instructed.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

How about you Indian aRob?

It's overcast outside and looks like rain...so it could be the rapture today!

I'm'a look again to be sure...

 

[The Light]

Oh yes I’m ready I’m in the secret place.

You can't be in heaven yet.

So you are expecting the secret rapture also?

 

[The Light]

It's overcast outside and looks like rain...so it could be the rapture today!

I'm'a look again to be sure...

The window is just about closed for this year as summer is almost over.

Expect the rapture of the alive that remain will be in the summer..................hence........summer is near.

The most likely window is the Feast of New wine or Tu B'Av..........the time of the summer harvest.

It is the Jews that will likely be raptured at the last trump on the Feast of Trumpets

 

[IndianaRob]

You can't be in heaven yet.

So you are expecting the secret rapture also?

There is no rapture of any kind. God always provides an ark for his people when his judgement comes on the world.

The ark is the “chamber” in Isaiah. Both the ark and the chamber are foreshadows of heavenly Jerusalem.

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

 

[IndianaRob]

You can't be in heaven yet.

So you are expecting the secret rapture also?

All I can say is you’re primed and ready to be deceived by project BlueBeam.

When the powers that be fake “the rapture” and the second coming don’t fall for it.

 

[MA2444]

The window is just about closed for this year as summer is almost over.

Expect the rapture of the alive that remain will be in the summer..................hence........summer is near.

The most likely window is the Feast of New wine or Tu B'Av..........the time of the summer harvest.

It is the Jews that will likely be raptured at the last trump on the Feast of Trumpets

I've heard that before and it does seem to make sense.

You can't be in heaven yet.

So you are expecting the secret rapture also?

He could be talking about inside of us? We are the temple of the Holy Spirit now and are tripartite being in the image of God. And I noticed that Temples are constructed in three parts also, outer court, inner court, and the Holy of Holies. So it is a secret place within ourselves where we commune directly with the Lord. Right? So it seems to me.

Besides, it is written, if they say come look He ir there or in the desert or there, dont go. Stay in your secret place with Hime inside of yourself and comfort yourself with His words, when He said, I will come for you.

John 14:3
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also..../KJV

See? He is coming for us speciffically and will receive us to Himself.

Or...he could be talking about something else, lol.

 

[The Light]

There is no rapture of any kind. God always provides an ark for his people when his judgement comes on the world.

The ark is the “chamber” in Isaiah. Both the ark and the chamber are foreshadows of heavenly Jerusalem.

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

There are two raptures. The grain and the fruit. The barley and wheat together comprise the grain harvest. The barley harvest in the spring is when the Lord comes for the dead in Christ. When He returns for the alive that remain in the summer, He will bring the dead in Christ with Him. This is the wheat harvest.

After the Church is raptured the part of Israel will have its eyes opened. This is the seed of the woman Israel. What do the Jews say after the rapture of the Church?

Jeremiah 8
20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

The seed of the woman will be raptured at the 6th seal immediately after the tribulation of those days. This is the fruit harvest. It will happen at the last trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

Those that enter the secret chambers are those of Israel that flee to a place of protection.

 

[The Light]

All I can say is you’re primed and ready to be deceived by project BlueBeam.

When the powers that be fake “the rapture” and the second coming don’t fall for it.

They are not interested in faking the rapture. Get a grip. Project BlueBeam will be used to fake an alien invasion. The fake alien craft are already made. The fake news films are already made. And when those holograms fly over the city most will believe it.

This has been set up for decades. In 1938 War of the Worlds was broadcast. In the 50's when the cigar shaped objects flew across this country, there were so many calls to Washington that they shut down the switch boards. In the 60's it was stories of alien abductions. In the late 60's it was Beam Me Up Scotty. In the 70's Close Encounters of the Third kind. 80's ET. Etc. Etc.

When the Church is raptured, everyone will need to take the mark of the Beast. We will identify you are not an alien and you must pledge your allegiance to the Beast and reject Jesus.

All of you that think there is no rapture before the tribulation are in for a big surprise. I would watch and be ready as we are instructed.