The Rapture Cover-up

[David in NJ]

The foolish virgins can ONLY BE believers.

Sinners have :
* No light
*No oil
* Do not sleep with on fire solstice out
believers
* are NOT watching /waiting for Jesus.
* no Interest in asking for oil( the Holy Spirit).
* Jesus would NEVER tell a unbeliever to go and get the Holy Spirit.
* A heathen unbeliever would never notice the Holy Spirit is no longer with them and ask a onfire believer to refill them with the Holy Spirit ,that they suddenly realized is gone.

IOW the parable will need to be COMPLETELY DISMANTLED, to modify it to say ;" the foolish are heathen unbelievers"

They are WITHOUT DOUBT vividly portrayed as believers. Nominal, shallow, uncommitted, believers that lost their first love.

Sinners have :* No light *No oil

FALSE

"John was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light."

"I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain:
the adoption,
the glory,
the covenants,
the giving of the law,
the service of God,
and the promises;
of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

You and i can be walking together in COMPLETE DARKNESS.
ONLY one of us needs a light to show the Path

Therefore, all who follow the person holding the 'flashlight/candle/lamp etc', BENEFITS from the Light
ie: Moses/Prophets/John the Baptist

and let us not forget the LORD Jesus Christ who is the LIGHT

"Then Jesus said to them, “A little while longer the light is with you.
Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you; he who walks in darkness does not know where he is going.
While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light.”

Now, with the LIGHT On, we can SEE why the Lord said to the five foolish = "I do not know you"

 

[IndianaRob]

The foolish virgins can ONLY BE believers.

Sinners have :
* No light
*No oil
* Do not sleep with on fire solstice out
believers
* are NOT watching /waiting for Jesus.
* no Interest in asking for oil( the Holy Spirit).
* Jesus would NEVER tell a unbeliever to go and get the Holy Spirit.
* A heathen unbeliever would never notice the Holy Spirit is no longer with them and ask a onfire believer to refill them with the Holy Spirit ,that they suddenly realized is gone.

IOW the parable will need to be COMPLETELY DISMANTLED, to modify it to say ;" the foolish are heathen unbelievers"

They are WITHOUT DOUBT vividly portrayed as believers. Nominal, shallow, uncommitted, believers that lost their first love.

You are correct, there is no debate that they were believers for the reasons you pointed out.

10 Virgins - Followers of the law looking for Christ and his kingdom to come.

Lamp - Word of God… thy word is a LAMP into my feet.

Oil - The Holy Spirit brings light to the lamp.

Bridegroom - Jesus bringing in the kingdom of heaven.

5 foolish virgins - Jews that didn’t recognize their messiah because they had no oil in their lamps and they were shut out of the kingdom.

5 wise virgins - Jews that did recognize their Messiah and entered into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[IndianaRob]

The parable of the ten virgins is the exact same story as the children of Israel in the wilderness.

All of them were Gods people but only the people that believed the account of the TWO or the children of the SECOND generation were allowed to enter into the promised land (kingdom of heaven).

Same as today, you can’t even SEE the kingdom of heaven all around you much less enter into it unless you are born a SECOND time.

And no born again does not mean saved.

 

[David in NJ]

The foolish virgins can ONLY BE believers.

Sinners have :
* No light
*No oil
* Do not sleep with on fire solstice out
believers
* are NOT watching /waiting for Jesus.
* no Interest in asking for oil( the Holy Spirit).
* Jesus would NEVER tell a unbeliever to go and get the Holy Spirit.
* A heathen unbeliever would never notice the Holy Spirit is no longer with them and ask a onfire believer to refill them with the Holy Spirit ,that they suddenly realized is gone.

IOW the parable will need to be COMPLETELY DISMANTLED, to modify it to say ;" the foolish are heathen unbelievers"

They are WITHOUT DOUBT vividly portrayed as believers. Nominal, shallow, uncommitted, believers that lost their first love.

Post #201 has been edited - please review - thank you

 

[David in NJ]

The foolish virgins can ONLY BE believers.

Sinners have :
* No light
*No oil
* Do not sleep with on fire solstice out
believers
* are NOT watching /waiting for Jesus.
* no Interest in asking for oil( the Holy Spirit).
* Jesus would NEVER tell a unbeliever to go and get the Holy Spirit.
* A heathen unbeliever would never notice the Holy Spirit is no longer with them and ask a onfire believer to refill them with the Holy Spirit ,that they suddenly realized is gone.

IOW the parable will need to be COMPLETELY DISMANTLED, to modify it to say ;" the foolish are heathen unbelievers"

They are WITHOUT DOUBT vividly portrayed as believers. Nominal, shallow, uncommitted, believers that lost their first love.

Post #201 has been edited - AGAIN - please review - thank you

 

[rebuilder 454]

The parable of the ten virgins is the exact same story as the children of Israel in the wilderness.

All of them were Gods people but only the people that believed the account of the TWO or the children of the SECOND generation were allowed to enter into the promised land (kingdom of heaven).

Same as today, you can’t even SEE the kingdom of heaven all around you much less enter into it unless you are born a SECOND time.

And no born again does not mean saved.

Born again means saved

 

[David in NJ]

Born again means saved

ABSOLUTELY

 

[rebuilder 454]

The parable of the ten virgins is the exact same story as the children of Israel in the wilderness.

All of them were Gods people but only the people that believed the account of the TWO or the children of the SECOND generation were allowed to enter into the promised land (kingdom of heaven).

Same as today, you can’t even SEE the kingdom of heaven all around you much less enter into it unless you are born a SECOND time.

And no born again does not mean saved.

The foolish are martyred.
They do enter the kingdom.

That dynamic is also mentioned in 1 cor.
"Some are saved as Through Fire. They're saved, and enter the kingdom of God, but their works are burned up"
( it says their works are wood hay stubble)

FALSE

"John was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light."

"I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain:
the adoption,
the glory,
the covenants,
the giving of the law,
the service of God,
and the promises;
of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

You and i can be walking together in COMPLETE DARKNESS.
ONLY one of us needs a light to show the Path

Therefore, all who follow the person holding the 'flashlight/candle/lamp etc', BENEFITS from the Light
ie: Moses/Prophets/John the Baptist

and let us not forget the LORD Jesus Christ who is the LIGHT

"Then Jesus said to them, “A little while longer the light is with you.
Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you; he who walks in darkness does not know where he is going.
While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light.”

Now, with the LIGHT On, we can SEE why the Lord said to the five foolish = "I do not know you"

I have no idea what you're getting at here or what the point of all that is. It almost seems like you're trying to say that unredeemed Heathen sinners have the Holy Spirit and they have light exactly like a Believer or something

 

[rebuilder 454]

FALSE

"John was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light."

"I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain:
the adoption,
the glory,
the covenants,
the giving of the law,
the service of God,
and the promises;
of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

You and i can be walking together in COMPLETE DARKNESS.
ONLY one of us needs a light to show the Path

Therefore, all who follow the person holding the 'flashlight/candle/lamp etc', BENEFITS from the Light
ie: Moses/Prophets/John the Baptist

and let us not forget the LORD Jesus Christ who is the LIGHT

"Then Jesus said to them, “A little while longer the light is with you.
Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you; he who walks in darkness does not know where he is going.
While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light.”

Now, with the LIGHT On, we can SEE why the Lord said to the five foolish = "I do not know you"

I am saying all 10 had the exact same testimony and virtues. EXACTLY THE SAME.

ONLY one difference..EXTRA OIL.
Extra oil = worthy.
Barely enough= not worthy.

Jesus addresses this very thing in the 7 letters to the 7 churches.
Pop quiz....which church was low on oil?
What was the remedy?

Clue...has to do with buying.
Ahem...as the 5 foolish were advised.

 

[David in NJ]

I am saying all 10 had the exact same testimony and virtues. EXACTLY THE SAME.

ONLY one difference..EXTRA OIL.
Extra oil = worthy.
Barely enough= not worthy.

Jesus addresses this very thing in the 7 letters to the 7 churches.
Pop quiz....which church was low on oil?
What was the remedy?

Clue...has to do with buying.
Ahem...as the 5 foolish were advised.

I am saying all 10 had the exact same testimony and virtues. EXACTLY THE SAME.

ALMOST but not exact!!!

Five "foolish" = KEY word used by our LORD and Savior = no OIL

foolish ones
μωραὶ (mōrai)
Adjective - Nominative Feminine Plural
Strong's Greek 3474: Probably from the base of musterion; dull or stupid, i.e. Heedless, blockhead, absurd.

This is a EXTREME word used by the SAVIOR as a JUDGMENT against them unto eternal death.

Concerning the 5 foolish virgins, JESUS is REITERATING the most important WARNING to us: Luke 9:22-28

And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter
but will not be able.
"Once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock
at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’
He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you"........There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

 

[rebuilder 454]

I have no idea what you think you proved.
The foolish go into the trib where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

You left out that the foolish HAD OIL.

There is ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE in the 2 groups.
One had EXTRA oil

One had NOT ENOUGH OIL.


IF you leave all components in tack it tells the story.
In Changing them we can make it say whatever to fit doctrine.

I never wonder why people do it.
We both know why you labor over Changing it.

 

[MA2444]

One had NOT ENOUGH OIL.

That makes quite a bit of sense to me. The lukewarm Christians!

I wonder if we can get the amils answer to one simple question?

What is it that's wrong in Believing in PreTrib?

Simple. To the point.

 

[David in NJ]

I have no idea what you think you proved.
The foolish go into the trib where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

You left out that the foolish HAD OIL.

There is ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE in the 2 groups.
One had EXTRA oil

One had NOT ENOUGH OIL.


IF you leave all components in tack it tells the story.
In Changing them we can make it say whatever to fit doctrine.

I never wonder why people do it.
We both know why you labor over Changing it.

The foolish go into the trib where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

JESUS says: "weeping and gnashing" of teeth is ETERNAL DAMNATION = Matthew ch24

Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

You left out that the foolish HAD OIL.

They have no Oil at His Coming = they fell away from the Truth = 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first

 

[David in NJ]

That makes quite a bit of sense to me. The lukewarm Christians!

I wonder if we can get the amils answer to one simple question?

What is it that's wrong in Believing in PreTrib?

Simple. To the point.

What is it that's wrong in Believing in PreTrib?

#1 Reason = It is a LIE

#1 Reason to REJECT it = "No lie is of the TRUTH" = 1 John 2:21

 

[MA2444]

#1 Reason = It is a LIE

#1 Reason to REJECT it = "No lie is of the TRUTH" = 1 John 2:21

If it is not the truth, as we will all see later, one day...then maybe the Lord is/was testing our faith in Him until the umph end So the PreTrib/Premil people got paranoid that they didn't want to be left behind started looking for the Lord and drawing closer to him in an effort to not be left behind, but they began looking for Him waaaay early than when it "actually was"

I'm not seeing any dnger in looking for and drawing closer to the Lord exceptionally early than not.
What do you suppose that Jesus will think of these paranoid Premils?

Premils arent lukewarm, they're ready waaay before the others were ready and eagerly anticipating His arrival! Us Premils arent just Jesus Freaks, we're super Jesus fresks!

Now suppose you tell me the danger in being a super Jesus freak?

I told my date I will pick her up on Friday evening at 7:00. She missed the friday part and was ready, eagerly awaiting her date and watching out the window for me (Him) on thursday night! Wow! And watched all day friday also. Maybe I was delayed? Maybe I'll drive up any minute? She didnt even go to bed she just stayed ready and watching. And when I drove up friday at 7:00 she saw me before I saw her!

Now I am a man so I thought what she had did was idiotic and it gave me a chuckle. But on a deeper more intmate level, it touched my heart that she did that, for me.
Danger manger brother, you reject all you want to but I'm watching and not rejecting it as an untruth.

Or maybe you think Jesus has no heart? Lol
If you know how to give good gifts to your son or Fiance (!) then how much moreso God? I therefore reject Amil. And with no Danger at all even if I'm wrong! Because, I love the Lord that much and am eagerly awaiting His return.

What danger can you show me that may come from my error if I have pretrib wrong?

 

[David in NJ]

If it is not the truth, as we will all see later, one day...then maybe the Lord is/was testing our faith in Him

100% CORRECT

 

[David in NJ]

PreTrib people got paranoid that they didn't want to be left behind

100% CORRECT

 

[David in NJ]

If it is not the truth, as we will all see later, one day...then maybe the Lord is/was testing our faith in Him until the umph end So the PreTrib/Premil people got paranoid that they didn't want to be left behind started looking for the Lord and drawing closer to him in an effort to not be left behind, but they began looking for Him waaaay early than when it "actually was"

I'm not seeing any dnger in looking for and drawing closer to the Lord exceptionally early than not.
What do you suppose that Jesus will think of these paranoid Premils?

Premils arent lukewarm, they're ready waaay before the others were ready and eagerly anticipating His arrival! Us Premils arent just Jesus Freaks, we're super Jesus fresks!

Now suppose you tell me the danger in being a super Jesus freak?

I told my date I will pick her up on Friday evening at 7:00. She missed the friday part and was ready, eagerly awaiting her date and watching out the window for me (Him) on thursday night! Wow! And watched all day friday also. Maybe I was delayed? Maybe I'll drive up any minute? She didnt even go to bed she just stayed ready and watching. And when I drove up friday at 7:00 she saw me before I saw her!

Now I am a man so I thought what she had did was idiotic and it gave me a chuckle. But on a deeper more intmate level, it touched my heart that she did that, for me.
Danger manger brother, you reject all you want to but I'm watching and not rejecting it as an untruth.

Or maybe you think Jesus has no heart? Lol
If you know how to give good gifts to your son or Fiance (!) then how much moreso God? I therefore reject Amil. And with no Danger at all even if I'm wrong! Because, I love the Lord that much and am eagerly awaiting His return.

What danger can you show me that may come from my error if I have pretrib wrong?

I'm not seeing any dnger in looking for and drawing closer to the Lord

100% CORRECT

exceptionally early than not.

BIG DANGER when looking for the LORD before His STATED Return

LORD Jesus Christ warned us of this:

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. (Dr.David Jeremiah and others)
And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

LORD Jesus Christ and the OT Prophets and the Apostles told us what to EXPECT prior to His Second Coming:

“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

[Phoneman777]

You’re waiting for a resurrection and second coming that has already happened.

The resurrection of Christ was the second coming.

It stands to reason that a thing that is "second" must resemble whatever was "first".

There was no "first" resurrection of Jesus, was there? But, there was a first "coming to Earth" of Jesus.

 

[IndianaRob]

It stands to reason that a thing that is "second" must resemble whatever was "first".

There was no "first" resurrection of Jesus, was there? But, there was a first "coming to Earth" of Jesus.

The first coming was Jesus coming in human flesh.

The second coming was Jesus coming back from the grave in all power and glory and in his glorified body.