A few shall be left

[David in NJ]

It does not all "make perfect sense" when you place the commencement of the new heavens and new earth a thousand years after the return of Christ.

This is a mystery to almost every saint:

(a) There are too many scriptures that do not have the millennium as commencing a thousand years before the New Heavens and New Earth, or the New Heavens and New Earth as commencing a thousand years after the return of Christ.

(b) There are also too many scriptures that do not have the millennium as being current or commencing before the return of Christ.

Matthew 19:28
"Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth: In the age when all things are renewed, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Matthew 19:28 NETfree).

The underlined words are translated slightly differently in other Bible versions, but mean one thing only:

"At the renewal of all things" (NIV)
"When the world is made new" (NLT)
"In the new world" (ESV)
"In the regeneration" (NKJV)

"Him who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will go out no more. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." (Rev.3:12-13).
"And he who overcomes and keeps My works to the end, to him I will give power over the nations. (Rev.2:26).

To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne. (Revelation.3:21; also see Revelation 20:4).

βασιλεύσει (He will reign) forever and ever: Revelation 11:15 (Christ).
βασιλεύσουσιν (they will reign) on the earth: Revelation 5:10 (those who overcome).
βασιλεύσουσιν (they will reign) with Christ a thousand years: Revelation 20:4 (those who overcame).

βασιλεύσουσιν (they will reign) forever and ever: (Revelation 22:5).

THE FIRST THREE AND THE LAST THREE CHAPTERS OF THE BIBLE

God's creation (Genesis 1:1-31) ⇾ Christ makes all things new (Revelation 21:5).
Perfectly good (Genesis 1:31) ⇾ Only righteousness dwells in it (Revelation 21:27).
Tree of life (Genesis 2:9, 16-17) ⇾ Tree of life (Revelation 21:6; Revelation 22:1-2, 14, 17).
Adam given dominion (Genesis 1:26-28) ⇾ Last Adam given dominion (Revelation 20:4).
Satan's deception (Genesis 3:1-7, 11-19) ⇾ Satan's deception (Revelation 20:7-10).
Adam's death. Expulsion from Eden (Genesis 3:22-24) ⇾ Second death. Lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15; Revelation 21:8).

ONLY CHRIST, THE LAST ADAM AND THE SON OF MAN POSSESSES IMMORTALITY IN HIMSELF

-- He (Christ) alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen. --- 1 Timothy 6:15-16, NETfree version.

-- "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself" -- John 5:26

-- "I am the First and the Last, and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hades and of death." -- Revelation 1:17-18.

Which means only He has the key to the second death, which is the lake of fire.

EVERLASTING LIFE OWNED ONLY BY CHRIST
-- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. The Word was with God in the beginning. All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.

In him was life [zōḗ], and the life was the light of mankind." -- John 1:1-4

-- "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself" -- John 5:26

EVERLASTING LIFE GIVEN IN CHRIST ALONE
-- "And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that has the Son has life; and he that has not the Son of God has not life." -- 1 John 5:11-12.

RIGHTEOUSNESS OWNED ONLY BY CHRIST
-- "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous One. -- 1 John 2:1

RIGHTEOUSNESS GIVEN ONLY IN CHRIST
-- "And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death. -- Philippians 3:9-10

RESURRECTION OWNED ONLY BY CHRIST
-- "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:" -- John 11:25

-- "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -- John 14:6

RESURRECTION GIVEN IN CHRIST ALONE
-- "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming." -- 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

IMMORTALITY OWNED ONLY BY CHRIST
-- "He (Christ) alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen." -- 1 Timothy 6:15-16

IMMORTALITY GIVEN IN CHRIST ALONE
-- "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." -- 1 Corinthians 15:52-54.

The difference between immortality and eternal life owned and immortality and eternal life given in Christ (who alone possesses eternal life and immortality in Himself), is as profound as the difference between the CreaTOR (God) who alone possesses eternal life in Himself, and the creaTED.

CORRUPTION / DECAY
-- "The creation itself shall also be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." -- Romans 8:21.

Both Genesis 2:7 and John 3:8 speak of the Spirit of God breathing His (eternal) life into man, and God alone has life in Himself. It follows that eternal zōḗ (eternal life), as well as immortality is in Christ alone, who alone possesses immortality according to the scriptures, and who alone has life in Himself, according to the scriptures. (1 Timothy 6:16; John 5:26).

"Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof dying you will die." -- Genesis 2:17.

"And the serpent said to the woman, 'You shall not surely die.'" -- Genesis 3:4.

We are justified because of Christ's blood shed for our sins.
We receive eternal life in Christ because Christ has life in Himself.
We will be resurrected at the last day because we are resurrected by the power of Christ's resurrection.
We will be immortal because of Christ's immortality, who alone possesses immortality, our dead bodies quickened by the Spirit of Christ.

Christ is the last Adam. There has been and will be no immortality 'created' for billions of created humans. The only immortality is the immortality of the last Adam, which He EARNED (just as is the case with the resurrection of the dead).

-- "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in gehenna." -- Matthew 10:28.

-- "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." -- Revelation 20:14-15.

The creTED person IS NOT EVER GOING TO BE IMMORTAL IN HIMSELF. There will be no second sacrifice for sins and no second resurrection from the second death.

The words "You will not surely die" was a direct contradiction to what God had said, and the assertion of the serpent implied that God's words were a lie.
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The only immortal who cannot perish in the second death, is Christ, the last Adam. In Him is life.

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered. And they gather and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." -- John 15:6-7.

Those who refused to worship the image of the beast are the only saints promised in scripture that the 2nd death will have no power over them.​

The KEY is understanding as "it is written" without adding/taking away/or making scrambled eggs of scripture

When you 'break open' scripture, keep it SON-E-Side-UP

 

[David in NJ]

2 Peter 3:7-13 does not say there are no survivors, that would contradict
Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and "few men"left.

Again you are ASSUMING there are no survivors left, BUT Isaiah 24:6 proves YOUR assumption is WRONG!

That’s another swing and a miss!

#1 - The LORD promised, in the OT Prophets, not to destroy all men when the LORD comes to judge(His Return).

#2 - The SAME Lord, again promised not to destroy all flesh when HE Returns.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Right, but you said this is the first resurrection of the dead in Christ….


Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

At the first resurrection of the dead in Christ the saints are judged, so Acts 26:23 is not talking about the first resurrection and judgment of the dead in Christ at the last day.

No, I did not say that. I don't get the sense that you're even trying to understand what I'm saying.

I showed 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 which indicates that Christ's resurrection was the first unto bodily immortality (that is the context of Acts 26:23, also) and then next in order are those who belong to Him at His second coming.

And I've said to you more than once that I believe having part in the first resurrection has to do with spiritually having part in Christ's resurrection (the first resurrection). And I point to scriptures like these to support that point:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The KEY is understanding as "it is written" without adding/taking away/or making scrambled eggs of scripture

When you 'break open' scripture, keep it SON-E-Side-UP

To you, "as it is written" means everything is meant to be taken literally, but, clearly, not all scripture is literal. So, your key to understanding makes no sense since not all scripture is meant to be interpreted literally "as it is written".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

#1 - The LORD promised, in the OT Prophets, not to destroy all men when the LORD comes to judge(His Return).

#2 - The SAME Lord, again promised not to destroy all flesh when HE Returns.

Wrong. He never made such a promise. If you're going to say something like that, then show the scripture to back up your claims. You need to learn to interpret scripture in context.

The Lord only promised not to destroy all flesh with a flood again. He did not promise that He would not destroy all flesh again in any way.

Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. 12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: 15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

How do you interpret this passage:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[David in NJ]

Wrong. He never made such a promise. If you're going to say something like that, then show the scripture to back up your claims. You need to learn to interpret scripture in context.

The Lord only promised not to destroy all flesh with a flood again. He did not promise that He would not destroy all flesh again in any way.

Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. 12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: 15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

How do you interpret this passage:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Good Morning Brother

Wrong. He never made such a promise.

There are MANY such promises/prophecies and they BEGIN in Genesis!

For now i will post just a few

God's Word/Promise = Isaiah 1:11-13 , Isa 4:1 , Zech ch14

“I will punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the Lord of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying,
“We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel;
Only let us be called by your name,
To take away our reproach.”

"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."

 

[David in NJ]

To you, "as it is written" means everything is meant to be taken literally, but, clearly, not all scripture is literal. So, your key to understanding makes no sense since not all scripture is meant to be interpreted literally "as it is written".

clearly, not all scripture is literal

AGREE

your key to understanding makes no sense since not all scripture is meant to be interpreted literally "as it is written".

FALSE

the KEY to understanding is the HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH as HE reveals to us the Scriptures of Truth

the FIRST KEY given by the Holy Spirit is this: Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Good Morning Brother


There are MANY such promises/prophecies and they BEGIN in Genesis!

For now i will post just a few

God's Word/Promise = Isaiah 1:11-13 , Isa 4:1 , Zech ch14

“I will punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the Lord of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying,
“We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel;
Only let us be called by your name,
To take away our reproach.”

"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."

You are misinterpreting those scriptures. Tell me, will what Jesus said in the following passage one day no longer be true?

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Also, keeping the feast of tabernacles involves performing animal sacrifices. Why would that ever be done in the future when Jesus already made His "once for all" sacrifice long ago that established the better new covenant while making the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete?

Maybe you missed this question in my post that you replied to, but I'll try again.

How do you interpret the following passage?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

FALSE

the KEY to understanding is the HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH as HE reveals to us the Scriptures of Truth

the FIRST KEY given by the Holy Spirit is this: Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Yes, of course! That is what Paul indicated in 1 Corinthians 2:9-16. Why didn't you say that in the first place then? You instead said "The KEY is understanding as "it is written" without adding/taking away/or making scrambled eggs of scripture". Try to work on communicating more clearly.

 

[David in NJ]

You are misinterpreting those scriptures. Tell me, will what Jesus said in the following passage one day no longer be true?

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Also, keeping the feast of tabernacles involves performing animal sacrifices. Why would that ever be done in the future when Jesus already made His "once for all" sacrifice long ago that established the better new covenant while making the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete?

Maybe you missed this question in my post that you replied to, but I'll try again.

How do you interpret the following passage?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Which Jerusalem was Jesus speaking of in John 4:21 ???

Peter was quoting from the OT, which has many prophecies, including:
- His First Coming
- the Gospel
- the outpouring of the Holy Spirit
- His Second Coming
- MULTIPLE Judgments
- and More

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

No, I did not say that. I don't get the sense that you're even trying to understand what I'm saying.

I understand what you Amils are saying, but what you are saying is in error.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Which Jerusalem was Jesus speaking of in John 4:21 ???

Earthly Jerusalem. Why do you ask?

Peter was quoting from the OT, which has many prophecies, including:
- His First Coming
- the Gospel
- the outpouring of the Holy Spirit
- His Second Coming
- MULTIPLE Judgments
- and More

Are you able to confirm that with NT scripture which shines light on the OT scriptures?

Is there some reason why you're not answering my question?

How do you interpret the following passage?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I understand what you Amils are saying

Your comment said otherwise. You said that I said the first resurrection of Jesus was the resurrection of the dead in Christ and I never said any such thing. So, no, I don't think you do understand what we're saying.

, but what you are saying is in error.

Which you are clearly not able to prove, so saying that means nothing. You can't even discern that when Paul said the dead in Christ will be resurrected first in 1 Thess 4:16, it had nothing to do with the order of resurrections, but rather had to do with the fact that those who are alive and remain will not be caught up to meet Christ in the air until the dead in Christ are resurrected first and then they both together will be caught up to meet Christ in the air.

 

[David in NJ]

Earthly Jerusalem. Why do you ask?


Are you able to confirm that with NT scripture which shines light on the OT scriptures?

Is there some reason why you're not answering my question?

How do you interpret the following passage?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Is there some reason why you're not answering my question?

YES

Very busy running here and there...........

Reply to simple & quick stuff right now.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

YES

Very busy running here and there...........

Reply to simple & quick stuff right now.

2 Peter 3:10-13 seems pretty simple to me, but okay.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Your comment said otherwise. You said that I said the first resurrection of Jesus was the resurrection of the dead in Christ and I never said any such thing.

You don’t believe this resurrection described below is “the first resurrection” as described by the words of God….

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is ((((the first resurrection.)))


Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You reject the dead in Christ being physically resurrected to immortality as being called “the first resurrection”

You Amils claim this “first resurrection”happened when Jesus was resurrected. You Amils are DEAD WRONG!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You don’t believe this resurrection described below is “the first resurrection” as described by the words of God….

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is ((((the first resurrection.)))

Those who have part in the first resurrection are not referenced there in that verse. You understand that, right? The rest of the dead do not have part in the first resurrection. Unfortunately, the statement "this is the first resurrection" was oddly placed right after the description of those who do not have part in the first resurrection. But, the next verse (verse 6) can be used to understanding the timing of when people have part in the first resurrection and I will show you how.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You reject the dead in Christ being physically resurrected to immortality as being called “the first resurrection”

You Amils claim this “first resurrection”happened when Jesus was resurrected. You Amils are DEAD WRONG!

No, your straw man is DEAD WRONG! You are making a fool of yourself here. You are not reading what I'm telling you carefully! You have a reading comprehension problem!

I do NOT say that all who have part in the first resurrection had part in it when Jesus was resurrected! Hello? Try a bit harder to understand what I'm actually saying.

Follow along carefully! Can you do that or do you have ADD or something like that which prevents you from being able to pay attention to what is being said? Scripture says that Jesus's resurrection was the first resurrection from the dead.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Are you with me so far? Do you agree that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection in the sense that Paul talked about there? In my view, it's clear that the context of what he said there is that Christ's resurrection was the first unto bodily immortality. That's what Paul was talking about here:

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

So, the order of resurrections unto bodily immortality is: 1) Christ Himself 2) they that are Christ's at his coming.

So, since scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection, I believe that having part in the first resurrection means to have part in Christ's resurrection. And I do not say that everyone who ever has part in Christ's resurrection had part in it when He was resurrected. Okay? Do you understand that?

The way that I believe someone has part in the first resurrection is when someone becomes spiritually saved which occurs when someone goes from being dead in sins to spiritually alive in Christ. Like these passages talk about:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

So, in my view, having part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection) is an ongoing process throughout the symbolic thousand years. Can you understand what I'm saying? I don't even care if you agree at this point, but can you at least understand my view now? You claim to understand Amil, but you clearly dont up to this point based on how you keep misrepresenting it. You do nothing to refute amil by misrepresenting it.

I'll end this post here and address how I interpret Revelation 20:6 in a separate post.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Those who have part in the first resurrection are not referenced there in that verse. You understand that, right?

What????? How can you say that when it clearly says….
Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is ((((the first resurrection.)))

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You reject the dead in Christ being physically resurrected to immortality as being called “the first resurrection”

You Amils claim this “first resurrection”happened when Jesus was resurrected. You Amils are DEAD WRONG!

As I said in the other post, we do NOT claim that those who have part in the first resurrection had part in it when Jesus was resurrected. We claim that those who become saved have part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection) each day throughout the symbolic thousand years as each person becomes saved.

You continually misrepresent Amil, so I will explain to you how I interpret Revelation 20:6. I use other scripture to help interpret it rather than trying to interpret it in isolation and then trying to make other scripture fit that.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first thing to notice here is that it says Jesus Christ is "the first begotten of the dead". That means He was the first to rise from the dead. His resurrection unto bodily immortality made it possible for the dead in Christ to also be resurrected unto bodily immortality when He comes (1 Cor 15:22-23).

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

You need to allow scripture to interpret scripture. The only other verse apart from Revelation 20 containing the Greek words "protos" (first) and anastasis (resurrection) is in the verse above and it is applied to the resurrection of Christ. He was the first to be resurrected unto bodily immortality (1 Cor 15:20-23).

So, having part in the first resurrection means to have part in Christ's resurrection which we all do spiritually when we become saved, as the following indicates:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
The next thing to notice in Revelation 1:5-6 is that it calls Jesus "the prince of the kings of the earth" and "to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever". Present tense. He reigns now, as other scriptures indicate as well (Matt 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-23, Col 1:12-13).

The next thing to notice is that having part in the first resurrection, which is Christ's resurrection, results in the second death having no power over someone. At what point does the second death no longer have power over someone? Surely, it doesn't have power over the dead in Christ whose souls are in heaven with Jesus right now. Surely, a bodily resurrection is not necessary in order to avoid the second death or else those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord would not avoid the second death and the second death would still have power even over the dead in Christ now even though it obviously does not.

Finally, notice when people are made priests of God and of Christ. That had already occurred at the time John was writing the book since he said Jesus "HATH MADE us kings and priests unto God and his Father" (Rev 1:6) . Peter wrote that those in the church ARE "a royal priesthood" (1 Peter 2:9). So, that again shows how Revelation 20 has been a reality for a long time already. All of the things written in Revelation 20:6 have been true about Christ and for believers since the resurrection of Christ. Premils ignore this.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What????? How can you say that when it clearly says….
Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is ((((the first resurrection.)))

LOL. I was just saying that the rest of the dead do not refer to those who have part in the first resurrection. The ones who have part in the first resurrection are specifically referred to in verse 4. So, "this is the first resurrection" refers back to those John described in verse 4 and not "the rest of the dead" he referenced in verse 5. That's all I was saying.

It's a bit odd that it says "This is the first resurrection" right after referring to the rest of the dead living again after the thousand years since it's obviously the ones he referred to in verse 4 who have part in the first resurrection and not "the rest of the dead". Anyway, moving on....now you know what I mean and, hopefully, you will respond to the rest of what I said. I'm just hoping that you can at least understand my view at this point since I knew that you will continue believing in premil no matter what I say. But, it's frustrating when you continually misrepresent amil the way you do, so I'm trying to help you understand it.