Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[covenantee]

the overspreading of abominations....

abomination of desolation - the statue image of the beast king, placed on the temple mount.

Satan indwelling the statue image of the beast-king, i.e. Satan's presence on the temple mount being worshiped (unwittingly, by them who worship the statue image).

the beast-king and false prophet's presence on the temple mount.

made desolate - from there being any praise and worship of the One True God.

"Abominations" (Daniel 9:27) is a plural reference to "armies" (Luke 21:20).

The armies were abominations to the monotheistic Jews because of the idolatrous ensigns which they worshiped and bore in battle.

The armies brought about the physical desolation of Jerusalem (Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, Luke 21:20).

Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, and Luke 21:20 all inter-corroborate.

 

[Douggg]

"Abominations" (Daniel 9:27) is a plural reference to "armies" (Luke 21:20).

The armies were abominations to the monotheistic Jews because of the idolatrous ensigns which they worshiped and bore in battle.

The armies brought about the physical desolation of Jerusalem (Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, Luke 21:20).

Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, and Luke 21:20 all inter-corroborate.

Matthew 24:15 refers to the time of end (Daniel 12:9) abomination of desolation of Daniel 12:11-12.

Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, and Revelation 13:14-15 all inter-corroborate.

Luke 21:20 is not part of the group.

Luke 21:20 results in the Jews being taken captives into the nations, until the times of the Gentiles end, as stated in Luke 21:24.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

[TribulationSigns]

It's sad to hear, that to you, Jesus had nothing to say, in regards to the New Covenant BEFORE He was crucified (cut off- not for himself), in the MIDST of The 70th week.

It's not that hard to figure out by the Holy Spirit's teaching, however "books" are required for the explanation by the wisdom of men". 1 Cor. 2:5

Interesting! So with your own pride, you think you have some "wisdom of men" to claim that Jesus had nothing to say about the Covenant before He went to the Cross? Are you sure?

Excuse me for laughing. Sorry but seriously...Please read Scripture carefully next time and educate yourself:

Luk 22:19-20 (KJV)
(19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
(20) Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Heb 9:14-17 (KJV)
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Testament = Covenant. Christ did mention a new covenant at the Last Supper that we are supposed to REMEMBER! I guess you have forgotten! Christ knew that His New Covenant with His people he mentioned at the Last Supper did not become in force or made strengthen YET UNTIL HE DIED FIRST upon the Cross and shed his blood for us. So YES, Christ did mention about the New Covenant! And no, it was not in the midst of the week you think! It was at the beginning of the final week when Christ confirmed a covenant with his blood. Not in the midst. Selah!

Now guess who actually has the wisdom of men then? Why thank you for showing your error. Hope you will humble yourself and admit your mistake.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Your post 137:
Wrong!! You are attempting to hi-jack the 7 years of the 70th week, and then heave it out into the far future, calling it The 7 year Great Tribulation.
Don't you know that you are drinking the "Cool-aid" of "the wisdom of men???

The prince (Titus) IS NOT part of THE 70 week prophecy at all. He is after the fact, due to "the overspreading of abominations" (KJV) by the Jews, in their continuance of animal sacrifices, of which was an abomination unto God, now that His Son, "the Lamb OF God" had shed His innocent blood.

You guys! Preterists and Premillennialists! You and your fight over the date of the final week of Daniel 9:27 being a literal 7 years in your flawed doctrines. Facepalm! This is a good example of the blind leading the blind going on here!

 

[covenantee]

Matthew 24:15 refers to the time of end (Daniel 12:9) abomination of desolation of Daniel 12:11-12.

Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, and Revelation 13:14-15 all inter-corroborate.

Luke 21:20 is not part of the group.

Luke 21:20 results in the Jews being taken captives into the nations, until the times of the Gentiles end, as stated in Luke 21:24.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:15 does not refer to the time of end. Matthew 24:15-16 was completely fulfilled prior to 70 AD, as history confirms.

Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, and Luke 21:20 all inter-corroborate.

Luke 21:20 is a synoptic, integral, indispensable part of Jesus' Olivet Discourse. It was inspired by the Holy Spirit to decisively eliminate any confusion identifying the abomination of desolation: The armies who desolated Jerusalem.

Jews were led away captive into all nations following the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Jerusalem was partially rebuilt, but was trodden down of the Gentile Romans until its final destruction by Hadrian, circa 135 AD.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree with you, but I am saying these things did happen at the time of the Messiah..

But they did not. Even Jesus explained them as future events in matt 24. Saying when you see this object standing in the Holy Place. Run, for then there will be great tribulation. Which will continue until he returns. Because if he did not no flesh on earth would survive.

I believe you and others may be saying they WILL happen... that is the difference, I believe.

I think this may be true, But the way you interpret the abomination of desolation you are not taking it literal.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why do you say that and can you really disagree that their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah is not CAUSE for Him to "make desolate" His relationship with them until the times of the Gentiles is completed?

No I can not agree.

An abomination in hebrew means a “monster” A “detestable thing” A “Vile thing” And “Idol” something that makes the person or holy place unclean.

Its not about his relationship with them, its about an object of filth or horror standing in the wind of the temple

Jesus said we will be able to see it standing in the holy place. You can not see what you are talking about. And it was not an object standing int he holy place.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No man made temple, at any time, is going to be built or rebuilt!!
You are not hearing Dan. 9:27.

Well thats interesting, Becaue israel is planing on doing the very thing you say will never happen as we speak.

And he [Jesus] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

Jesus did not confirm any covenant for one week..

and in the midst of the week he [Jesus] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he [Jesus] shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that "determined" [vs. 24] shall be poured upon the desolate [those who are void of God].
See Acts 10:45.

lol.

An abomination is an idol or unclean thing

Jesus said when you see it standing in the holy place. Run.

Jesus is not the prince.. you can not force this on the passage and make it happen without adding things to the word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, that is correct because the abomination of desolation was prefigured by what Antiochus IV had done did by placing a statue of Zeus in the temple.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

They forget Jesus said these words to the Jews. Daniel was a Jew, and Gabriel spoke these words to him as a Jew.

if we want to know what it means, Go to them, what would they interpret it to be.

Not even this, the hebrew language does not support what they claim it is..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Though not many have figured this out, ALL the unsaved ARE the potential Temples of God!! Unfortunately satan and his fallen angels ARE SITTING IN those would be temples of God.

Re-read the synopsis of the parable of "The strong man", and He who is the Stronger,
in conjunction with the man's issue of "his house [temple body]" being cleansed, but became worse off for it, thus having many of the demons to return, taking up residence within him. Mat. 12:43-45.
Why? He neglected the words of Rev. 3:20 about He who is the Stronger.

Edit: There are many professing christians in that dire situation. They have received the forgiveness and the removal of their sins through faith in Christ, BUT.....they NEGLECT to personally INVITE/ASK for Him [His Holy Spirit] to come into their life!!

They have not recieved forgiveness

They have not been baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ

They have not been anointed wiht the spirit (the spirit coming in or on them.)
A person does not need to ask to come into them, If they are saved, they already have the Holy Spirit in them

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What I think is the Matthew 24:15 abomination of desolation standing in a holy place - is the abomination of desolation "set up" in Daniel 12:11, at the time of the end. "set up" is in the text of Daniel 12:11.

"standing" because it will be a statue image of the beast-king in a standing position.

The statue image will be made at the instruction of the false prophet in Revelation 13:14. It will be placed on the temple mount, out in the open where it will be clearly visible from different parts of Jerusalem.

When it is set up on the temple mount - that event triggers the beginning of the great tribulation. The great tribulation will then last for the next 1335 days, to end on the day that Jesus Returns. The 1335 days is from Daniel 12:12.

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later, after being set up on the temple mount, Satan will be cast down to earth - having only a time/times/half time left (Revelation 12:12-14)

Once cast down to earth (from the second heaven), Satan will indwell the statue image - making it appear to come alive and speak. The false prophet will take credit as doing a miracle that brings the statue to life. Revelation 13:15.

Anyone who worships the statue image will thus be unknowingly worshiping Satan - which is certainly an abomination.

I agree almost

I still think it will be inside the temple holy place. Only it will be broadcast on TV all over the world. For everyone to see.

Since this is the sign that Jesus made clear was the major sign to look for.. It will be visible to all.. Another reason it could not have happened in 70 AD

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dougg, because it speaks of His sacrifice on the cross during the last week of the prophecy. I keep mentioning that Daniel is about our Messiah. Is there anything more important than His arrival and His mission while on earth?

But its not

And again, Daniel 9 is not about the cross. it is about Gods promise to Daniel that his people. His holy city, and his temple will repent and put an end to their sins and be saved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, Jesus was speaking about Himself! He was the sacrifice on the cross, He was inflicted as the most abominable event in the history of mankind that would cause Him to become desolate with His people. Can you find God in every book within the Scriptures? Do you really believe Daniel is not meant to prophecize about the coming of the Lord and the most important time in man's history - that will never be repeated?

No,

Jesus did not start the greatest tribulation the world has ever seen when he died.

if it was this even, Jesus shoudl have returned 2000 years ago, because all flesh on earth was in danger of being killed.

 

[IndianaRob]

No,

Jesus did not start the greatest tribulation the world has ever seen when he died.

if it was this even, Jesus shoudl have returned 2000 years ago, because all flesh on earth was in danger of being killed.

Do you believe the following verses are talking about David or Jesus?

Psa 18:3 I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.
Psa 18:4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.
Psa 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.


Psa 18:6 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you believe the following verses are talking about David or Jesus?

Psa 18:3 I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.
Psa 18:4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.
Psa 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.


Psa 18:6 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.

It is Christ. Christ cried out to God (psalms 52 - My God My God why have you forsaken me)

Christ was the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. By making this atoning sacrifice.

but I am not sure what this has to do with our conversation

 

[IndianaRob]

It is Christ. Christ cried out to God (psalms 52 - My God My God why have you forsaken me)

Christ was the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. By making this atoning sacrifice.

but I am not sure what this has to do with our conversation

In an earlier post you said Jesus did not start the greatest tribulation the world has ever seen when he died but he did and there will never be another tribulation like that.

Most people aren’t aware of this but when Christ was crucified God came down from heaven and wreaked havoc on the world.

Psa 18:7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.


Psa 18:8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.


Psa 18:9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.


Psa 18:10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.


Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.


Psa 18:12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.


Psa 18:13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.


Psa 18:14 Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.


Psa 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

 

[CTK]

But they did not. Even Jesus explained them as future events in matt 24. Saying when you see this object standing in the Holy Place. Run, for then there will be great tribulation. Which will continue until he returns. Because if he did not no flesh on earth would survive.

I think this may be true, But the way you interpret the abomination of desolation you are not taking it literal.

Thanks for your response. The AOD is indeed referring to the crucifixion of Jesus. And I am taking His death literally. He would punish His people for rejecting and crucifying Him by “making Desolate “ His presence or relationship with them for the time of the Gentiles- some 2000 years.

Jesus refers to the AOD standing in the holy place….. He is telling us in Matthew that He is the one standing in the holy place because Matthew is written to the Jews. Matthew is telling his fellow Jews that Jesus was their Messiah, their King, their High Priest, the Passover Lamb of God. He is trying to show them that Jesus was indeed the One prophesied in the Scriptures… Jesus BELONGED in the holy place.

Now, take a look at the exact same scene but this time it will be recorded by Mark. Exact same time and place but Mark records it a little differently. Why? In Mark, Jesus says, “when you see the AOD standing in the place where he ought not be, or ought not belong (spoken by Daniel) ….

So, why is this recorded differently? It is because Mark is not writing to the Jews, he is writing to the Gentiles. In Mark, the focus or emphasis of Jesus’ arrival is not that of a king, but as a suffering servant. Jesus, the suffering servant does not belong in the holy place- servants are not allowed there.

Jesus is telling us in two Gospels, in two different ways that He is the AOD… in order to meet these two very different requirements, He is reducing the identity of the AOD to … just one - Himself!

And if you notice in Luke, it is once again the exact same scene and time, but this time Jesus does not refer to Daniel, and He focuses on the destruction of the city … Here He is revealing His death / crucifixion / AOD, will cause complete destruction and His people will be made desolate. In Luke, he focuses or speaks about Jesus as a man, not a king or servant. Thus, no “man” has the power to “make desolate” God’s people from their God…

 

[Earburner]

No, Jesus was speaking about Himself! He was the sacrifice on the cross, He was inflicted as the most abominable event in the history of mankind that would cause Him to become desolate with His people. Can you find God in every book within the Scriptures? Do you really believe Daniel is not meant to prophecize about the coming of the Lord and the most important time in man's history - that will never be repeated?

Yes, I agree! That is the absolute truth!
In Prov .6, God the Father begins to list the six things He hates, but adds in a 7th abomination. That 7th abomination is found in Prov. 6:17: "hands that shed innocent blood". In the world, there has been no one more innocent than the Lamb of God, who was Jesus.
Edit: see my post #221 for the details.

 

[CTK]

No,

Jesus did not start the greatest tribulation the world has ever seen when he died.

if it was this even, Jesus shoudl have returned 2000 years ago, because all flesh on earth was in danger of being killed.

Let me see Ty and answer your second point at this time. When Jesus said, “unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved.” Everyone contends this is speaking about an end time event when a mythical Antichrist figure will come onto the scene and murder the Jews and cause the worse tribulation the world has ever seen. No, there is no literal antichrist figure, there is no 7 year tribulation.
Here is what Jesus was saying:
Jesus arrived on the first day of the 70th week of the prophecy to fulfill His God given mission (9:24), and to establish His church, and to confirm the New Covenant with His people. He would send His Holy Spirit to us on Pentecost. Jesus succeeded in everything He was asked to do and He completed everything in the 3.5 years of the last 7 years of the prophecy. Here is the meaning- Jesus was given this last week or the last 7 years but He went to the cross 3.5 years of the 7 years. Jesus WILLINGLY died for us to take away our sins. Meaning, it was Jesus who would willingly “shorten those days” of the last week and go to the cross otherwise, no flesh would be saved! Without the cross, there would be no way anyone could be saved!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your post 137:
Wrong!! You are attempting to hi-jack the 7 years of the 70th week, and then heave it out into the far future, calling it The 7 year Great Tribulation.

No, the tribulation is actually only 3.5 years. following the Abomination of desolation being placed inside the holy place..

But yes, it is future. because on of the things concerning it have come true yet.

Don't you know that you are drinking the "Cool-aid" of "the wisdom of men???

Or maybe YOU ARE?

The prince (Titus) IS NOT part of THE 70 week prophecy at all.

Never said he was. He comes in between the 69th week (messiah the prince) and the covenant a future prince makes with many,

He is after the fact, due to "the overspreading of abominations" (KJV) by the Jews, in their continuance of animal sacrifices, of which was an abomination unto God, now that His Son, "the Lamb OF God" had shed His innocent blood.

lol. This is not the definition. Now who is listening to men?

An abominable thing is an idol. or unclean thing.. Jesus said when you see IT "the object" Standing in the holy place (a part of the temple. or the wing of the temple complex) run..