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Christian Soldier

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CS, I haven't gone over all the entirety of this threads past couple of pages,
but I'll tell you this....
@Eternally Grateful and I don't agree on absolutely everything, but he understands the character of God correctly....
something I cannot say about you.

ALL of Christianity believes God to be how He has shown Himself to be:
LOVING
MERCIFUL
JUST

The reformed understanding of God makes Him to be:
UNLOVING
UNMERCIFUL
UNJUST
You're obviously clueless as to what reformed theology believes, if you knew what we believe you wouldn't be making up those foolish lies about us.

As I have stated before, the bible doesn't support this fake god you created in your mind. You have foolishly tried to trap God in your little cage and force Him to obey you. Well I've got news for you, hell will freeze over before you do that.

You have reduced the almighty God down to three little attributes and that's pure blasphemy. Have you forgotten about Gods hatred and the untold number of other attributes, He is many things in One and at the same time,. He loves and He hates, He shows mercy and He punishes. I'm not going to go through all of His attributes but I would strongly suggest you find a Shepherd to teach you the basics, because all of us dumb Sheep need a Shepherd to teach us the basics.

You always resort to lies and slander when you are exposed, why don't you defend your theology instead of using lies to detract from the charges I bought against you

 

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What!
So you think that unbelievers don't read the NT?
You think they don't understand it?
You don't get around much CS.
Ben Shapiro is Jewish and he understands the NT better than you do.
Jordan Peterson is not Christian and he understands the bible better than you do.
Bart Ehrman, who has since denied his Christianity (IOW, he FELL AWAY from the faith), one of the world's top textual scholars, knows the bible better than you do .

So how do you explain the above??
You fail to understand the fundamental fact that, not everyone who claims to be a Christian is a born again believer. Most are Goats posing as Sheep, so they were never going to remain in Christ to begin with.

The other ting you fail to understand is, that studying the bible for your entire life doesn't mean the Holy Spirit is forced to indwell you. Only those who are indwelt by the Holy Spirt can understand the bible. It is foolishness to the rest, they will never understand it regardless of how diligently they study it.

So your remarks are born out of ignorance of the truth. You do not know the truth because there is no truth in you.
 

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Here you go accusing God of being a liar, every one of you statements is accusing God of being a liar and deceiver. You have confused God with Satan, He is a liar from the beginning and it's obvious you have come under His dominion, because you have fallen for His doctrine of Demons.

I never said that God will blot out all who have sinned against Him, I said that's what you believe Exodus 32 is saying. Then you backpaddle and say God didn't mean what He was saying, He was just a bit confused. It's obvious you have created a fake god in your mind and you can't justify anything he says and does, so you're always trying to defend him.

You make no sense with your senseless remarks about this weird "Everyone has sinned and even Christians sin to some extent". So now your trying to say that God just winks at the sins of Christians but He blots out the names of unbelievers who were never in His book to begin with. Show me where God wrote the names of unbelievers in His book. Your theology is the doctrine of Devils, it contrary to everything God said.

So now you say that it is up to dead corpses to make a decision to make provision for their salvation, if they believe in Christ. Show me where the bible says that dead people can make a decision to force Gods Hand to save them, it's absurd to make such silly suggestion.

You're accusing God of lying, by saying He didn't chose anyone for salvation. God says He did and you say He didn't, so you have really come under strong delusion.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

You have no fear of God at all, you constantly accuse Him of lies and deception.

You say that God elects those who choose to know God and obey Him. This is a lie as usual, because God said the opposite so one of you is lying.
God said in Romans 3:10-12 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”

But you say no God, stop lying I'm telling the truth here, I say we are saved by choosing to know you and obey you, but you say nobody choses you. So I accuse you of being a liar. Can you see how blasphemous this is???????

God said we lost our free will when we sinned and became enslaved to Satan, but you say no God stop lying I say we never lost our free will. I'm not going to expose you demonic doctrine by refuting the rest of your comments. It's obvious to me that you have come under strong Demonic delusion, so I doubt that you have any capacity to embrace anything god says.
Good bye CS.
Your babbling tires me.
 

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I'm not going to go over the same ground which I have already covered with you. You're welcome to go back over our discussion and find all the places where you misrepresented Gods nature
Well there you go you just proved your a TROLL.

You made accusations, yet when asked, you can not even name one.

So I will put you were all troll go. Because I refuse to feed you anymore.

when your ready to actually show me what you accuse me of. I may open up conversation again, Until then, I will warn people to stop feeding the trolls
 

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The gospel you believe is not the gospel Jesus preached. I'll just give you one point to deal with at a time. Your first error, is you think that salvation is a joint effort between God and yourself.
WRONG

see, you can;t even get this right.
That is not what Jesus taught, He never asked anyone to believe anything He said as a condition of salvation. I don't want to get into a Calvin vs Arminius debate, as everyone approaches that debate with their minds already made up so it's a futile exercise
And you’re wrong here also. Jesus said the tax collectors when home because he in humility called out.

but whatever again, your just a troll
 
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Good bye CS.
Your babbling tires me.

Well there you go you just proved your a TROLL.

You made accusations, yet when asked, you can not even name one.

So I will put you were all troll go. Because I refuse to feed you anymore.

when your ready to actually show me what you accuse me of. I may open up conversation again, Until then, I will warn people to stop feeding the trolls
:jest: So you don't want to look at your ugly false theology, you want me to show it to you, lol
 
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All those "in Adam" are born with the body of sin because of Adam.
rom 5:12
...for that all have sinned: shows personal culpability in sinning not how one was unconditionally passively born. We are sinners for we follow in the steps of Adam. Adam was not created a sinner, but was created innocent. Adam had a law to follow but chose to disobey it and THEN he BECAME a sinner for his own culpable choice. We are not created/born sinners either but we have God's law to follow and when we choose to break it as Adam then we BECOME sinners. (Rom 7:8-9)

Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

If all inherited Adam's sin then all would be guilty of the same exact sin, yet Paul makes a contrast between the sin Adam committed and different sins others from Adam to Moses committed for each person is accountable for their own sin (Eze 18:20).
 

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rom 5:12
...for that all have sinned: shows personal culpability in sinning not how one was unconditionally passively born. We are sinners for we follow in the steps of Adam. Adam was not created a sinner, but was created innocent. Adam had a law to follow but chose to disobey it and THEN he BECAME a sinner for his own culpable choice. We are not created/born sinners either but we have God's law to follow and when we choose to break it as Adam then we BECOME sinners. (Rom 7:8-9)

Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

If all inherited Adam's sin then all would be guilty of the same exact sin, yet Paul makes a contrast between the sin Adam committed and different sins others from Adam to Moses committed for each person is accountable for their own sin (Eze 18:20).
1. Through one sin all became sinners in Adam, just so, through Christ's act of obedience we become righteous in Christ (para).

2. The rest didn't "transgress" bc they hadn't been directly spoken to and commanded by God--notice "until Moses" (the other time God made known His will) is the other bookend. They still sinned but they just didn't "trespass" (sin with explicit knowledge--"by the law comes the knowledge of sin").
 

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1. Through one sin all became sinners in Adam, just so, through Christ's act of obedience we become righteous in Christ (para).
If you are going to read into the text that all are UNCODNITIONALLY made sinners in Adam, then it is EQUALLY true that all will be UNCONDITIONALLY be made righteous in Christ and you are pushing Universalism.
2. Nope, the rest didn't "transgress" bc they hadn't been directly spoken to and commanded by God--notice "until Moses" (the other time God made known His will) is the other bookend.
There were laws in place from Adam til Moses and people of their own free will broke those laws BECOMING sinners and their sins were not after the likeness of Adam's but different, their own sins.
 

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If you are going to read into the text that all are UNCODNITIONALLY made sinners in Adam, then it is EQUALLY true that all will be UNCONDITIONALLY be made righteous in Christ and you are pushing Universalism.

There were laws in place from Adam til Moses and people of their own free will broke those laws BECOMING sinners and their sins were not after the likeness of Adam's but different, their own sins.
No, those IN CHRIST are not all humanity.
Christ is the new Adam, head of a new human race.

Nope, Adam had explicit knowledge from God, and Moses received the same. "By the Law comes the knowledge of sin"
 

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No, those IN CHRIST are not all humanity.
Christ is the new Adam, head of a new human race.

Nope, Adam had explicit knowledge from God, and Moses received the same. "By the Law comes the knowledge of sin"
There is an obvious fatal flaw in their interpretation. They have no problem will "all" being UNconditionally made sinners in Adam for that fits their wrong theology but they do have a problem with the same "all" being made UNconditionally righteous.

What is true about Adam is true about Christ...if all are Unconditionally made sinners in Adam then it's equally true all are unconditionally made righteous in Christ
 

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No, people become sinners, not born sinners. Rom 7:8-9
People go out of the way, not born out of the way, people become unprofitable, not born unprofitable, Rom 3:12
I think the other member is getting confused about being born with the sin nature and being born already having sin.
We are born with the proclivity toward sin....
however, when a baby is born, he is NOT A SINNER...
yet.

Age of accountability comes into play.
 

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1. Through one sin all became sinners in Adam, just so, through Christ's act of obedience we become righteous in Christ (para).

2. The rest didn't "transgress" bc they hadn't been directly spoken to and commanded by God--notice "until Moses" (the other time God made known His will) is the other bookend. They still sinned but they just didn't "trespass" (sin with explicit knowledge--"by the law comes the knowledge of sin").
Are you saying that a baby is born a sinner....
or that we all BECAME, at some point, sinners due to the AFFECT of original sin?
(the sin nature).
 
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