David in NJ
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The Holy Spirit only bears Witness to the TRUTH = the same TRUTH that you reject thru unbelief............
Q for JW- KIEW?
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Wrangler
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I do t think that is true. Rather, he is making the point that one has to view the NT has to be viewed from the perspective of the OT.
Jesus is nothing but the Jewish Messiah, foretold in the OT. He was born a Jew under the law, required to believe in the one God of the Sh’ma. And there is no evidence he stopped being Jewish.
David in NJ
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The erroneous/counterfeit teachings of Watchtower are easily exposed by Scripture and by those who have the Holy Spirit of Truth.
The LORD declares it: GOSPEL of John 5:37-40
And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
Wrangler
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Oh, really? 400+ years strong, still undefeated, Would you like to compare?
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Michael the Archangel is not the LORD Jesus Christ = Hebrews denies it as does the Old Testament, the Gospel and Revelation
Hebrews 1:5-6
For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
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Wrangler
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Yea - to any translation written in the last century would be far superior to anything with ‘James’ in the title.
Why not actually read my chapter on that? It answers your concern, which is simply mistaken.
Perfect. Claim made. Assertion put forth. Now time to back your claim. Ready?
Pick the translation that you use, or even MSS, Codice, Papyrii, that you use, and then let us put it into comparison with the KJB.
If you choose any other than what you use, I would suspect you are a hypocrite. However, if you do decide to choose anything other than what you actually use/read, then stick with it, and not swap out once it is shown to be erroneous, contradictory, etc.
Fair?
David in NJ
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OK i will read your chapter on it.
You ask "Why not......"
Because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of TRUTH and God can never speak a lie.
When the scripture says:
"To which of the angels has HE ever said: "You are My Son"
and let all the angels of God worship Him/Jesus"
David in NJ
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OK, i read it.
There are no scriptures that declare the Michael is the LORD Jesus Christ.
But there are scriptures that PROVE Michael is NOT the LORD.
Wrangler
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Berean
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That still doesn't answer the question Keiw.
Say, I am a member of the local congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, Romans 8:16, 17 kicks in. I am now an heir, a member of the Little Flock, can I now evoke 1 Timothy 3 and declare myself an elder, who is now taking the lead? Why or why not?
Once again - Jw's never read context. You simply regurgitate the rote verses from your magazines floating down from the heavens. What happened to 9:5? since I pointed out the context you guys arent quoting it. At least not here. Lord knows you still will use it where you can get away witth it. Well, the same goes for 9:10. Dont you realize how unwise it is to never read context? C'mon now Keiw- youre making yourself look really bad. You do not comprehend this book at all.
There is ONE FLOCK. --ONE FLOCK WITH ONE SHEPHERD & ONE MEDIATOR. --
The other sheep are the Gentiles! lol
David in NJ
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They do not have the Holy Spirit therefore they cannot SEE.Kiew and Jane,
I would like to start with Romans 1 to understand these verses in context with my JW friends. Feel free of course to check me with your NWT bible. Please pray for understanding and read along with me verse by verse? This is a letter and needs to be read as such, agree? I am not adding my own commentary in between verses 1-10. We are just reading the scriptures, ok? I am not trying to trick anyone.
Romans 6:1-2
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
7 for he who has died is freed from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
9knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
10Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
I think that's enough to show the proper context, so JWs can see that Paul is not speaking about our physical deaths at all, but he is referring to our death to sin and rebirth to life in this present time!!!!
As you continue reading the chapter to the end you will come to verses 22- 23. Read slowly.
22But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.
23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Verse 23 in context says death is the punishment for sin. Yes it is.. it is eternal death. Sin wage = death. It is what you've earned. It is not you paying God. It is God paying you your wages ( what you have earned) for sin. Do you see?!!!!!
Happily, Paul's sentence continues.. That Death WAGE for the sinner is being contrasted with the FREE GIFT of God of eternal life only found in Christ.
There are two opposing absolutes there. Do you see them?
SIN-- brings punishment, your wage, what you have earned, your pay =DEATH.
VS.
ETERNAL LIFE (*everlasting, let's not split hairs) -- Is not a wage. See the change? It's a what? A free gift. You can't earn it. It's not what you deserve or earned. YOU dont deserve this GIFT. It's a FREE GIFT. See Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are you saved through faith, this is not of yourselves, it is a” – What? – “gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.”
There is only ONE WAY for all anyone to have their sins forgiven. God has sent His ONLY SON, JESUS to pay for our sins. HE IS THE ONLY WAY.
Just so that nobody gets confused, it is a free gift.
So, if you want what you deserve, God will give it to you. But if you want what you don’t deserve, God will give that to you as well! There is NO OTHER WAY. ONLY by the BLOOD OF JESUS! There is NO OTHER WAY. HE is the WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
Please read this over and over until you truly understand. Take your good ole time. Over and over and over... then believe God!I know it is upsetting to think that the watchtower is wrong in telling you that you can pay for your own sins. BUT we have to believe God, not man. Jehovah requires a spotless, blameless lamb! <----- That's not you or me!!
That's JESUS!
I know you will have many questions once you grasp this. It's normal! There are answers!
If anyone reads this- please help me in prayers for KIEW and JANE for understanding!
Kiew, I just saw your last post. I will come back later with many verses to prove to you that Jesus DID DIE For YOUR sins! Without Him, all there is, is your pay, DEATH.
Yes. This entire thread was an attempt to get them to read Ro 6. That obviously failed, but oh how I did try- but hopefully someone somewhere was helped.- That was the point.
No one can come to the Son unless the Father calls them. All we can do is plant a seed. With these people though- I know they have had many many seeds planted- they REJECT truth time and time again and worship men & this is what happens.
David in NJ
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Hello Brother,
You are relatively a new member here.
@Wrangler @face2face and i have had quite a few discussions on the Scriptures.
Any man or woman who does not have the Holy Spirit of Truth cannot SEE.
Any man or woman who argues against "It is written" cannot SEE.
Any man or woman who desires to know God will submit to Christ and the Holy Scriptures.
And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:35-40
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