Eat my flesh, drink my blood, discerning the body and blood of Christ.

[Marymog]

So you think Eternal life is given by eating and drinking perishable food? Lol

The NT Christians did. Why don't you? The earliest writings from our Christian history show they did. You adhere to the writings of 16th century men. Why?

The cup of blessing (perishable wine) which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The (perishable) bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It's eternal life of my soul that I am concerned with.

Then you need to eat the Bread of Life that comes down from Heaven, which the Son of God gives to His anointed priesthood.

You cannot get this Bread of Life from men.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The NT Christians did. Why don't you? The earliest writings from our Christian history show they did. You adhere to the writings of 16th century men. Why?

The cup of blessing (perishable wine) which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The (perishable) bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

I don’t follow the doctrines of men, I follow Christ. The act of communion was to symbolize something, that is what you and others do not understand. New wine must be put into a new vessel in order that it might receive and retain the New wine.

 

[RedFan]

I showed the answer in my OP. But what is Jesus talking about in John 6:55?

Listen….

John 6:47-51​

King James Version​

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47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

The Word was made flesh. To eat the flesh of Christ is to eat the Bread of Life aka the Word of Life that comes down from heaven.

You are not going to find that Bread at the grocery store.

You think the bread that Christ mentioned in these verses is a reference to verbal words rather than to his actual body. I disagree. Let's leave it at that. We are not going to convince each other.

 

[Taken]

You are stuck with the carnal mindset of the Catholic Church that cannot receive the Spiritual things of God, to their own corruption.

Some Catholics heavily “depend” on early teachings of Gentile men who were historically appointed in early Gentile established “churches”.

Problem IS….Regardless of WHO is “teaching”….”leading” others…[IU]THE ONE “hearing”, “reading”, “learning”[/U] from “another”….HAS the DUTY of DUE DILIGENCE to VERIFY such TEACHING IS ACCORDING TO Gods OWN APPROVED WORD”!!!

The “UNIVERSE” is all encompassing…of all space.
The scriptural teaching is “spreading” Gods Word throughout THIS WORLD…TO mankind, This World…the habitat and estate of ManKIND.

Never did the Lord God TEACH to exalt, bow down in reverence, in adornment, in worship, to PEOPLE, to STATUES, to IMAGES…

Never did the Lord God TEACH to communicate IN PRAYER “TO” any OTHER but ONLY with the Holy Devine Lord God Himself.

Ignorance IS ignoring the Truth, by making way for Organizers of Appointed men to Dictate their Beliefs and Demand Agreement with their Beliefs for one to JOIN their Organization.

Gods WAY is via UNSEEN SPIRIT.
(Many) mens WAYS is via VISIBLE buildings, clothing, titles, exalting, statues, trinkets, images.

Not complicated.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Some Catholics heavily “depend” on early teachings of Gentile men who were historically appointed in early Gentile established “churches”.

Problem IS….Regardless of WHO is “teaching”….”leading” others…[IU]THE ONE “hearing”, “reading”, “learning”[/U] from “another”….HAS the DUTY of DUE DILIGENCE to VERIFY such TEACHING IS ACCORDING TO Gods OWN APPROVED WORD”!!!

The “UNIVERSE” is all encompassing…of all space.
The scriptural teaching is “spreading” Gods Word throughout THIS WORLD…TO mankind, This World…the habitat and estate of ManKIND.

Never did the Lord God TEACH to exalt, bow down in reverence, in adornment, in worship, to PEOPLE, to STATUES, to IMAGES…

Never did the Lord God TEACH to communicate IN PRAYER “TO” any OTHER but ONLY with the Holy Devine Lord God Himself.

Ignorance IS ignoring the Truth, by making way for Organizers of Appointed men to Dictate their Beliefs and Demand Agreement with their Beliefs for one to JOIN their Organization.

Gods WAY is via UNSEEN SPIRIT.
(Many) mens WAYS is via VISIBLE buildings, clothing, titles, exalting, statues, trinkets, images.

Not complicated.

Glory to God,
Taken

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[honeycomb]

Hey honeycomb,

What is your answer to Paul's question: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Curious Mary

Hi, Mary . . .

I Corinthians 11:24 "And when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, "Take, eat, this is My body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of Me."
I Corinthians 11:25 "After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me."

Jesus Christ's flesh received the stripes while we received the healing. That healing is just as certain today as it was in Jesus' day, and we do it all "in remembrance of Him".

Jesus took the wine cup and explained exactly what the Communion cup is for. The purpose of taking and drinking the wine cup is to remember Christ's shed blood on the cross of Calvary. We do this as a symbol to express our gratitude and reverence for our Lord Jesus Christ's sacrifice for our sins.

We as believers and followers of Christ partake of Holy Communion always in remembrance of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[RedFan]

Hi, Mary . . .

I Corinthians 11:24 "And when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, "Take, eat, this is My body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of Me."
I Corinthians 11:25 "After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me."

Jesus Christ's flesh received the stripes while we received the healing. That healing is just as certain today as it was in Jesus' day, and we do it all "in remembrance of Him".

Jesus took the wine cup and explained exactly what the Communion cup is for. The purpose of taking and drinking the wine cup is to remember Christ's shed blood on the cross of Calvary. We do this as a symbol to express our gratitude and reverence for our Lord Jesus Christ's sacrifice for our sins.

We as believers and followers of Christ partake of Holy Communion always in remembrance of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I think everyone agrees with the remembrance aspect of Holy Communion. The issue is whether doing it in remembrance of Christ excludes its also being His actual body and blood. But a point needs to be made here. Regardless of whether those elements are His actual body and blood or not, this much is certain purely as a matter of logic: a remembrance aspect to the meal does not preclude a Yes answer.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

By drinking too much wine?

I asked primarily to see what you thought it means to become drunk. (Imo) it’s significant as the result of drinking and eating unworthy. One is made drunk: blinded, stumbling, groping …How He said instead to “be sober”. Which I really don’t think means to not drink alcohol but to instead wake up. But see …you’re convinced it is obvious, just the same as it is obvious concerning the answer you keep asking for concerning Paul’s question. The same wine and bread you said is His flesh and blood…you’ve then said they become drunk (literally) from too much alcohol(literally). Or maybe I misunderstood. (Imo) it a greater drunkenness than one too many drinks.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I think eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ in communion with believers does accomplish that, by appropriating the benefits of the sacrifice of Christ. Here's why:

Think back to Israel’s historic practice of consuming the flesh of sin offerings. The same God who demanded sacrifice as the price of forgiving sin also prescribed that the flesh be consumed, Lev. 6:29―not because He couldn’t see perfectly good meat going to waste, but because it was a means of communion for His chosen people. It still is. God still holds to the original insistence that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin (Heb. 9:22). The difference now is that His injunction against consuming that blood (Gen. 9:4, Deut. 12:23) has been partly lifted; He now enjoins the opposite on us when it comes to the blood of Christ (John 6:53).

Blood was sacred to God because it contained the victim’s life essence (Lev. 17:10-13). And that is precisely why we are commanded to drink the blood of Christ, which contains the victim’s eternal life essence. Only if Christ is really present in these elements will this be fulfilled. Say that it’s just wine, that the meal is commemorative only, and this benefit is lost. Real Presence was orthodox doctrine in the early Church for this reason.

(By the way, what's up with the grape juice comment? Its wine, not grape juice, that is involved in the Eucharistic meal.)

Consider how hard it is to break through delusions, denials and falsehoods. Animal sacrifices could not give life because they held no power to transform the mind. They changed no one’s heart. Burnt offerings held no power to transform the mind. They changed nor transformed no one. Look at the world, how easy it is from childhood to create little by little a false reality and how mountains have to be moved to break thru those false realities and prisons we have built …convincing ourselves it is true, lived in, walked in…Saul for example. How long Saul had been convinced what he was doing was for God and not against God. No animal sacrifice could give Life (Wake) Paul up.
animal sacrifices were only a temporary atonement for men to pay their due but continue on in the same denial and delusions of death as they always had. Nothing was transformed. Same as all the things Paul listed as things he’d done in the flesh but none of those things could give or none held Life. Only Christ…whose words are Spirit, they are Life …gives Life. Because the Spirit opens the eyes of the blind so they come to face to face with the truth. Same as Saul came face to face with the truth. Most religions keep people blind. They allow you keep your delusions and fantasies where you can tell yourself anything you wish to cover up any truth that may make its way in. By truth I mean when Saul had to see he wasn’t doing those things for God but for himself, and worse he was persecuting the one he claimed to love.

The wine and wafer does not hold Life (Imo). It allows a person to communion and keep the whole falsehood which is not freedom but deception. Sorry…I am not convince those things can or have the power to give Life. But instead is a temporary fix…same as every other temporary thing that makes man think he did something but faced nothing. Same as saying a little prayer and going on your way convincing yourself that is Life.

 

[APAK]

Hey APAK,

Paul didn't take it as a metaphor: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? What is your answer to Paul's question APAK?

If you read the writings of Ignatius, a student of the Apostle John, he didn't take it as a metaphor. If you read 1,900 years of writings from The Church, they didn't take it as a metaphor.

So why, 2,000 years later, do YOU take it as a metaphor?

Curious Mary

Please provide you scripture support. thx

 

[Marymog]

Please provide you scripture support. thx

Deflecting and dodging. Nice try......

Paul didn't take it as a metaphor: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? What is your answer to Paul's question APAK?

 

[Marymog]

I asked primarily to see what you thought it means to become drunk. (Imo) it’s significant as the result of drinking and eating unworthy. One is made drunk: blinded, stumbling, groping …How He said instead to “be sober”. Which I really don’t think means to not drink alcohol but to instead wake up. But see …you’re convinced it is obvious, just the same as it is obvious concerning the answer you keep asking for concerning Paul’s question. The same wine and bread you said is His flesh and blood…you’ve then said they become drunk (literally) from too much alcohol(literally). Or maybe I misunderstood. (Imo) it a greater drunkenness than one too many drinks.

I think I am now understanding what you mean VIJ.

You don't think Paul meant drunk (intoxicated with alcohol). You believe he meant they were not woke or aware or understanding what he was saying or the deeper meaning of what he was saying? Am I understanding you correctly?

Respectfully, Mary

 

[Marymog]

Hi, Mary . . .

I Corinthians 11:24 "And when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, "Take, eat, this is My body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of Me."
I Corinthians 11:25 "After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me."

Jesus Christ's flesh received the stripes while we received the healing. That healing is just as certain today as it was in Jesus' day, and we do it all "in remembrance of Him".

Jesus took the wine cup and explained exactly what the Communion cup is for. The purpose of taking and drinking the wine cup is to remember Christ's shed blood on the cross of Calvary. We do this as a symbol to express our gratitude and reverence for our Lord Jesus Christ's sacrifice for our sins.

We as believers and followers of Christ partake of Holy Communion always in remembrance of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hmmmmm....I don't see an answer to Paul's question. Maybe I missed it? The answer would be a simple YES or NO!

Here is Paul's question again: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Yes, Jesus "explained exactly what the Communion cup is for". "And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. 24 And he said unto them, This IS my blood of the new testament,". He never said "symbol". You added that. None the less....I agree with Him. It is His blood. Do you?

 

[RedFan]

Deflecting and dodging. Nice try......

Paul didn't take it as a metaphor: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? What is your answer to Paul's question APAK?

I won't presume to answer for APAK, but I don't think you are posing the right question, @Marymog. As you know, I am a believer in the Real Presence. But Paul's use of κοινωνίᾳ in 1 Cor. 10:15-16 (which means "communion," "participation," "sharing," "fellowship") allows even nonbelievers in the Real Presence to answer Paul's question in the affirmative.

Let's not pretend that Paul asked "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?" That very different question would have given the APAKs of the world zero wiggle room. Paul's use of κοινωνίᾳ gives them plenty of wiggle room.

 

[Marymog]

I won't presume to answer for APAK, but I don't think you are posing the right question, @Marymog. As you know, I am a believer in the Real Presence. But Paul's use of κοινωνίᾳ in 1 Cor. 10:15-16 (which means "communion," "participation," "sharing," "fellowship") allows even nonbelievers in the Real Presence to answer Paul's question in the affirmative.

Let's not pretend that Paul asked "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?" That very different question would have given the APAKs of the world zero wiggle room. Paul's use of κοινωνίᾳ gives them plenty of wiggle room.

Thanks RedFan. You have me thinking now...

So I believe you are saying that a person like @APAK could say or is saying, "Yes, I participate in communion by eating/drinking the bread/wine in remembrance of Him, just like He told us to do at The Last Supper".

 

[RedFan]

Thanks RedFan. You have me thinking now...

So I believe you are saying that a person like @APAK could say or is saying, "Yes, I participate in communion by eating/drinking the bread/wine in remembrance of Him, just like He told us to do at The Last Supper".

Exactly.

 

[Marymog]

I asked primarily to see what you thought it means to become drunk. (Imo) it’s significant as the result of drinking and eating unworthy. One is made drunk: blinded, stumbling, groping …How He said instead to “be sober”. Which I really don’t think means to not drink alcohol but to instead wake up. But see …you’re convinced it is obvious, just the same as it is obvious concerning the answer you keep asking for concerning Paul’s question. The same wine and bread you said is His flesh and blood…you’ve then said they become drunk (literally) from too much alcohol(literally). Or maybe I misunderstood. (Imo) it a greater drunkenness than one too many drinks.

In 1 Corinthians 11:17-22 Paul is admonishing the Church of Corinth for their abuses when they come together for The Lords Supper (communion). In those days Christians got together for a meal (Agape) BEFORE they participated in communion. Some of them were getting drunk at the meal, that was the abuse, and then participating in communion. He even said, What! Do you not have homes to eat and drink in?

So to answer your question: Yes, they were drunk, intoxicated, not sober etc. It did NOT have to do with them misunderstanding Paul! It seems that vs 33 clarifies what I am saying.

Mary

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said, whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood will never die.

so why do people keep eating what they claim will give them eternal life. Yet they can still die.

I guess his blood and flesh are not that powerful after all

 

[Marymog]

Jesus said, whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood will never die.

so why do people keep eating what they claim will give them eternal life. Yet they can still die.

I guess his blood and flesh are not that powerful after all

Hey EG,

Lets look at the context of what He said. He also said, you have no life in you and I will raise them up at the last day and Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them and the one who feeds on me will live because of me. Just doing that one thing, eating his flesh and drinking his blood, is not the ONLY thing we must do to have eternal life in heaven. We must also be baptized. We are not to sin. Love on another as He loved us. Help the poor etc etc.

There are MANY things He and the Apostles taught that we must do to have eternal life. Just doing ONE of them or 50% of them does not give us eternal life.

For you to say that "his blood and flesh are not that powerful after all" is bizarre when He literally tells us that Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. THAT'S pretty powerful!