Eat my flesh, drink my blood, discerning the body and blood of Christ.

[RedFan]

Jesus said, whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood will never die.

so why do people keep eating what they claim will give them eternal life. Yet they can still die.

I guess his blood and flesh are not that powerful after all

I guess you're having trouble squaring physical death of believers with the promises of Christ.

Those who believe that physical death entered the world due to the sin of Adam will always struggle to explain why, after Calvary reversed the curse, humans still die. Those who believe Christ's words that there were some standing near him who would not taste death until his kingdom came in glory will always struggle to explain why everyone in his audience died. First Thessalonians,the first NT book written, was Paul's attempt to address their struggle with why so many of them were dying, which they feared might indicate God's displeasure with the extent of their faith.

Paul's answer to them is my answer to you: physical death is not the issue. Resurrection of the dead followed by eternal life is.

Re-read John 6:54-56.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I guess you're having trouble squaring physical death of believers with the promises of Christ.

Those who believe that physical death entered the world due to the sin of Adam will always struggle to explain why, after Calvary reversed the curse, humans still die. Those who believe Christ's words that there were some standing near him who would not taste death until his kingdom came in glory will always struggle to explain why everyone in his audience died. First Thessalonians,the first NT book written, was Paul's attempt to address their struggle with why so many of them were dying, which they feared might indicate God's displeasure with the extent of their faith.

Paul's answer to them is my answer to you: physical death is not the issue. Resurrection of the dead followed by eternal life is.

I never mentioned physical death.. Nor was Jesus speaking about eternal physical life. Its the new birth, passing from death to life, the eternity jesus spoke of in John 3 - 6

Re-read John 6:54-56.

reread John 6: 22-71 concerning the food which endures forever. The bread from heaven, the flesh and blood.

they are all the same

whoever eats will

never hunger or thirst
never die
live forever
has eternal life
will be raised (not delivered)

did Jesus lie about these things?

 

[RedFan]

I never mentioned physical death.. Nor was Jesus speaking about eternal physical life. Its the new birth, passing from death to life, the eternity jesus spoke of in John 3 - 6

reread John 6: 22-71 concerning the food which endures forever. The bread from heaven, the flesh and blood.

they are all the same

whoever eats will

never hunger or thirst
never die
live forever
has eternal life
will be raised (not delivered)

did Jesus lie about these things?

My bad, I thought you were talking about physical death.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

In 1 Corinthians 11:17-22 Paul is admonishing the Church of Corinth for their abuses when they come together for The Lords Supper (communion). In those days Christians got together for a meal (Agape) BEFORE they participated in communion. Some of them were getting drunk at the meal, that was the abuse, and then participating in communion. He even said, What! Do you not have homes to eat and drink in?

So to answer your question: Yes, they were drunk, intoxicated, not sober etc. It did NOT have to do with them misunderstanding Paul! It seems that vs 33 clarifies what I am saying.

Mary

I do read also eat at home…do you not have tables at home to eat and drink of? That when you come together you come together for the better and not for the worse? Paul was on a ship where the men took nothing for days being caught in a storm and then Paul broke bread with them. I can’t convince you there is more than downplaying it as a once over-drinking where their drunk effects wear off in a couple hours. Where they experience a hangover and nothing more. Where they were boozing it up on the wine bottles before communion. Communion where the body all receives a wafer and a small thimble of wine. Yet Christ had a meal with them when He spoke of breaking bread. If it is as you say that it’s all about feeding the belly hunger before the meal. then what is it that satisfies those hungry going away empty while others devour the meal? Personally I don’t think their hunger is in the belly but in their spirit for Christ. Those over indulging …to me the drunken state doesn’t just happen for a few hours and then they are sober until the next time. All throughout His word He talks about a drunkenness, yes an intoxication, that doesn’t wear off but grows worse and worse. And as another poster brought up they do twist and misunderstand Paul’s words to their own hurt. Down playing the severity of “drinking damnation down” chugging it, minimizing it to “well they drank too much wine and became literally drunk.” Then the way to solve it…feed your belly and thirst before you come together. So being satisfied in your belly (as if that which perishes can fill a man’s hunger) you won’t shame God. What meal are we even talking about in the breaking bread, the communion of the body…a wafer and a thimble of wine? As you said …it is far more being the body and blood of Christ. Then it is not the belly appetite that Christ satisfies of those hungry but a spiritual hunger. No matter how many times we go around and around you are persuaded. Maybe that is a good thing. You are fully persuaded. All I am saying is I do see more there than …what I think you are saying …”oh obviously they were literally chugging the wine and getting drunk before communion”

Ezekiel 39:17-21 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh, and drink blood. [18] You shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. [19] And you shall eat fat till you be full, and drink blood till you be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. [20] Thus you shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. [21] And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Luke 22:20-22 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. [21] But, behold, the hand of him that betrays me is with me on the table. [22] And truly the Son of man goes, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!

 

[Raccoon1010]

Jesus said in John 6:54-56

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.”

Jesus said in John 6:27 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.”

So what is the flesh and blood of Jesus that we are to eat?


Jesus said in John 6:32-33 “32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God “is he”which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.”

Jesus said in
John 6:48 I am that bread of life.

So what is His flesh, and what is this bread of Life?

We are told in 1John 1:1 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of “the Word of life;”

In John 1:14 we confirm what Jesus’flesh is when we are told that “the Word was “made flesh”

So it is “the words of God”we must consume like spiritual food for our soul.

But what about the blood of Jesus we are told to drink?

The blood of Jesus speaks….

Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, “that speaketh”better things than that of Abel.

The blood of Jesus represents His Testimony….

Matthew 26:28
For this is “my blood”of the “new testament,” which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

This is how the blood of “His testimony”washes us clean…

John 15:3
Now ye are clean through “the word”which I have spoken unto you.”

Ephesians 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water “by the word,”

Both water and blood cleanse and testify ….
1 John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1 John 5:8
And there are three that “bear witness”in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Both water and blood came out of Jesus’ side when pierced.

Consuming the flesh and blood of Jesus is how we truly “commune”with God by “the Spirit.”

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


The flesh and blood of Jesus is both the law and the testimony of God, this law and testimony of Jesus Christ is “sealed in us”by the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 8:16
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Peace and God bless.

It is important for Christians to be introduced into a proper Church organization that performs the baptism, confirmation of the Holy Ghost and bread and wine of the New Covenant of Jesus the Christ. Those concepts are covered in the New Testament and for scholars also in the Old Testament in difficult language if not given discernment from God.

Death and Hell is something some people experience in existence, and God has the Keys of Death and Hell. And if he desires can heal us of degrees of those possible conditions. Throughout life sometimes people get injured or hurt in various ways. And I believe God desires to provide healing which is a measure of his Life.

The body and blood of Christ when given in a more literal sense from Jesus the Christ is co-existent with our own bodies. He is our Master and God in that way. His body is pure, holy and clean. He allows us to discern our defiled condition in ways and then we can, with his saving grace, desire and become more like him if he desires it, which I believe he does.

I have had the bread and wine of the new covenant and also the body and blood of the Christ presented for me by Jesus, co-existent. He can then keep us from dying that way and that is God providing life to us. God provided us life when he created man and woman after the earth and animals. He has always been giving us his life in various ways along our journey upon this earth. As little children and into adulthood. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost have many ways as the God of Truth, Life and Light of the World to save us from our fallen state that was an act by the serpent against Eve and then gave to Adam. We are children of Adam and Eve and saved by our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ. God the Father loves us also, and the Holy Ghost is a tremendous blessing to us.

The fruits of the Spirit of God are defined by him and given to Paul in Galatians 5:22-25:

5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

God is a loving God and with God the Father, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Ghost and their Angels we can be protected from death and hell and other evil things and God provides for us to feel safe as their children. He can cast out fear also. What a wonderful God they are, and together as one God also.

And I, as a child of God, love him for him for who he is and they are. And am thankful for their teachings which I was provided to describe above. Thank you for reading it also if you have!

 

[Marymog]

I do read also eat at home…do you not have tables at home to eat and drink of? That when you come together you come together for the better and not for the worse? Paul was on a ship where the men took nothing for days being caught in a storm and then Paul broke bread with them. I can’t convince you there is more than downplaying it as a once over-drinking where their drunk effects wear off in a couple hours. Where they experience a hangover and nothing more. Where they were boozing it up on the wine bottles before communion. Communion where the body all receives a wafer and a small thimble of wine. Yet Christ had a meal with them when He spoke of breaking bread. If it is as you say that it’s all about feeding the belly hunger before the meal. then what is it that satisfies those hungry going away empty while others devour the meal? Personally I don’t think their hunger is in the belly but in their spirit for Christ. Those over indulging …to me the drunken state doesn’t just happen for a few hours and then they are sober until the next time. All throughout His word He talks about a drunkenness, yes an intoxication, that doesn’t wear off but grows worse and worse. And as another poster brought up they do twist and misunderstand Paul’s words to their own hurt. Down playing the severity of “drinking damnation down” chugging it, minimizing it to “well they drank too much wine and became literally drunk.” Then the way to solve it…feed your belly and thirst before you come together. So being satisfied in your belly (as if that which perishes can fill a man’s hunger) you won’t shame God. What meal are we even talking about in the breaking bread, the communion of the body…a wafer and a thimble of wine? As you said …it is far more being the body and blood of Christ. Then it is not the belly appetite that Christ satisfies of those hungry but a spiritual hunger. No matter how many times we go around and around you are persuaded. Maybe that is a good thing. You are fully persuaded. All I am saying is I do see more there than …what I think you are saying …”oh obviously they were literally chugging the wine and getting drunk before communion”

Ezekiel 39:17-21 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh, and drink blood. [18] You shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. [19] And you shall eat fat till you be full, and drink blood till you be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. [20] Thus you shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. [21] And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Luke 22:20-22 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. [21] But, behold, the hand of him that betrays me is with me on the table. [22] And truly the Son of man goes, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!

I respect your opinion. I don't think either of us are wrong.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

My bad, I thought you were talking about physical death.

That is how I took @Eternally Grateful post also.....guess we were both wrong.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

To purge your conscience is to make clean the inside of the cup first.

Matthew 23:26
Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.”

 

[RedFan]

Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

There is such a thing as bloodless forgiveness of sin.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

There is such a thing as bloodless forgiveness of sin.

Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

 

[RedFan]

Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Yup, that's what the author of Hebrews said. And here's what Jesus said, in Matt: 6:14: “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.” I don't know about you, but I've forgiven lots of offenses without once shedding a drop of blood.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yup, that's what the author of Hebrews said. And here's what Jesus said, in Matt: 6:14: “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.” I don't know about you, but I've forgiven lots of offenses without once shedding a drop of blood.

2 Corinthians 2:10
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ

 

[RedFan]

2 Corinthians 2:10
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ

It's nice that Paul decided to forgive whomever the Corinthians forgave, for their sake, in the presence of Christ. What's your point?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It's nice that Paul decided to forgive whomever the Corinthians forgave, for their sake, in the presence of Christ. What's your point?

The saints have the power on earth to bind or to loose sin by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 18:18
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 

[RedFan]

The saints have the power on earth to bind or to loose sin by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 18:18
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Binding and loosing others' sins -- through the blood of Christ or otherwise -- is quite different from forgiving others' offenses against YOU. The first may aid THEIR salvation. The second aids YOURS.

 

[Marymog]

Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Like @RedFan taught you......There is such a thing as bloodless forgiveness of sin.

 

[Marymog]

The saints have the power on earth to bind or to loose sin by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 18:18
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Ummmmm....He said that to the Apostles. And the next vs after that He said, Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

So who taught you that He meant "saints"? Or I guess a better question to ask is Who are these saints you speak of?

Curious Mary

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I respect your opinion. I don't think either of us are wrong.

Mary

I respect your opinion too. I’m going to take some time away from the board to de-stress. It’s not just the board but YouTube and all the constant stressfulness that feds anxiety. There are things in my life I can’t take time from that are stressful but I can take a rest from social media.

If I could recommend anything for you to read it would still be Numbers 5. It’s not just you but I would recommend it to any woman. (Including men who are poor in spirit). It’s been a crucial thing for me that has taken years to understand that the woman there is not a biological woman. But a woman men also are a part of as a woman who is not male or female, bond or free, Jew or Gentile. That was vital to me to see ..same as the virtuous woman, the proverbs 31 woman. you may still ask why, what does it have to do with the topic? To me it’s necessary in understanding the adulterous woman and the woman made free from the law of her husband by the body of Christ, so she is free to marry another, being called no more an adulterous woman’s, but able to bear fruit unto God. Numbers 5 is pivotal. My hope is …even if takes years He would speak to you about the woman. To me it’s necessary to put Christ at the center of Numbers 5.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Ummmmm....He said that to the Apostles. And the next vs after that He said, Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

So who taught you that He meant "saints"? Or I guess a better question to ask is Who are these saints you speak of?

Curious Mary

The saints are the ones who are born again of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the One who comes in the name of the Lord, and writes upon the saints The Lords new name.

“19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”

Christ is in us by the Holy Spirit

 

[Grailhunter]

In the Bible, there are multiple references to prophets eating scrolls, including Ezekiel and Jeremiah: Jeremiah 15:16
Jeremiah and his friend Barak wrote down God's Word on goatskin, and Jeremiah ate the scroll. Jeremiah says, "Thy words were found, and I ate them, and thy words became to me a joy and the delight of my heart; for I am called by thy name, O LORD, God of hosts". Some say that eating the scroll means leading from the Word, honoring the Word, and internalizing and practicing the Word.

Ezekiel 3:3
In Ezekiel 1, a hand extends a scroll to a man and says, "Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the people of Israel". The man eats the scroll, which is written with words of lament, mourning, and woe, and it tastes sweet as honey. He is then told to fill his stomach with the scroll, and to go to the house of Israel and speak God's words to them.

Now during Christ’s ministry the only scriptures of the Word of God was the Old Testament.

But then Christ said….
“Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.” Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away

For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?” “Stop grumbling among yourselves.” Jesus answered. “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.

Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.” From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.” John 6:32-69

While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this IS My body.” And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this IS My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”
Matthew 26:26-29

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